Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Los Angeles Rams

Originally posted by Polkadots:

Originally posted by Furlow:
Monster contract? I don't know, man. Even going to the most extreme - Jimmy averages 300 yards and 3 TD's per game from here on out and wins Super Bowl MVP, I don't think that erases his injury history and turnover-prone ways from the past. I don't see a GM giving him top 3 QB money ($50m/year). Would he elevate above his current projection of $30-$33m/year? Sure. But he's on the wrong side of his physical prime so I don't see a team going more than 4 years, $35-$40m. Just my two cents.

The assumption prior to "monstrous contract" was that JG balls out this year. Again, with that assumption in play, JG hitting the open market would make him close to, if not the #1 option, for most teams looking for a QB1. I do not think he is worth top three money, but given the way QB contracts are moving, the salary cap, etc., $45M-$50M wouldn't surprise me. And again, because here on the Zone you have to point things out ten times (not referring to you specifically), this all assumes JG balls out through the end of this year.

Wait for the "now we're comparing JG to Mahomes and Allen?" posts. Lol.

Originally posted by Waterbear:
I've never… I repeat NEVER have blamed Jimmy solely for our struggles. I gave Jimmy a lot of love for his game vs the Falcons where the offense scored 14 points, as well as the Rams games, Carolina, and Arizona.

I said Jimmy was part of the problem vs the chiefs, Chargers, and Saints. And that Jimmy's play vs Denver was our biggest problem. He still wasn't the only problem.

I've repeatedly said that Jimmy's an easy player to root for and probably one of the most likable QBs we've ever had. I really like Trey's personality as well. I'll be rooting for him as long as he's in a 49er uniform.

Im not sure how calling out someone who's acting like Jimmy's better than Steve Young and Joe Montana makes you think I'm biased against Jimmy but okay.

Bias I have no issue with. We are all biased toward Bosa over Givens for example. Some players are simply better than others and thus more critical to what we are building here. No one has to act or post like Bosa and Givens are equal. Just reading your stuff I get the impression you feel TL gives us a better win chance and want to move on from JG at the nearest reasonable opportunity. I could be wrong on this. It's a valid take and basically the take of JL and KS circa 2021.

For me if I sound more biased toward JG it's cuz he is putting it in the endzone; playing and producing. He's helping our win odds week to week and keeping our season afloat. If TL were playing and producing I would be biased in that direction. It's all about who's contributing helping us get to this goal of winning #6 that would be a very special moment maybe coming soon

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by Goatie:

Originally posted by ChillninDaBay:

Originally posted by Wubbie:
Yeah, it makes some sense to do it, but the logistics of HOW are the problem.
After pulling the trigger on CMC, they committed more so to a "Win NOW" mentality. I really do believe Trey Lance has a future in this league, but his development was set back by a year when he got injured. Trying to roll with Trey next year might hurt the window that we have with this roster.

But yeah... My prediction is that Jimmy's going to finish this season strong. We're moving toward a pass-first offense, he's playing well, and the offense is presumably going to get better over the last six games. He'll have strong statistical numbers numbers and hopefully should have a solid playoff run. That's a good situation for us this year, but it really muddies up our decision-making in the offseason at the QB position.

If Jimmy does well in the rest of the regular season and playoffs, he's going to have suitors. He's going to have the opportunity to get paid well, guaranteed money, on a multi-year contract. Even if Jimmy was okay with coming back and having Trey breathing down his neck (I doubt that), we're not going to commit to him and give him guaranteed money if we view Trey Lance as the QB of the Future.

I just don't see it happening if they have Trey Lance on the roster. To re-sign Jimmy, they'd have to make a tough call.

There is a reason Jimmy is on a backup deal for just this season... he won't be back, but at least "they" or "we" are finally getting "their" or "our" money's worth kind of 🤣
Definitely find out at the end of the season but at least he was only pay backup money for this year, like I have already said, genius move really 🤣

He will be back. The organization love him, as does the locker room and he is delivering more than Young and Montana

I'm one of Jimmy's biggest supporters, but this is a bit much.

Couldn't help yourself... could you? Lol

Ring cracks me up, man. Lol

He was obviously baiting you so why take it? Makes you look worse...lol

Obviously he's trolling, but so are you (to a milder degree) and I still respond to you.

Have a look in the mirror some time. It really wont hurt as bad as you think.

Lol the fact that you couldn't avoid replying, yet give goatie a softball without being enraged....says everything.

I mean goatie was actually serious about Jimmy out producing Montana and Young,...lol.

Relax a little more. JMO.

And I'll ask again....how much guaranteed money you see Jimmy commanding?

Originally posted by Furlow:
Yeah. So should catchers, 1st basemen, outfielders, etc. Hell they should do it for assistant coaches like they do for head coaches too, I mean assistants do most of the work. And the training staff! They keep the players healthy, without them the team wouldn't win.

Baseball analysts place next to zero value on win-loss record anymore. It is an antiquated way of judging pitchers. I know you are trying to be funny, but its falling flat.

Originally posted by YACBros85:
You do understand that the NFL is a business, right? Money/cap space play a huge role in such decisions. And the fall after the Harbaugh era had more to do with Harbaugh and Fangio leaving plus the mass exodus of our defensive players than it did the replacing of Alex Smith with Colin Kaepernick.

And a huge part of Harbaugh's departure was the lackluster performance by the team his final year, in which the downgrade at QB by choosing Kaepernick was a huge reason for the team's falling off. If Kaepernick wasn't an absolute disaster of a QB, the whole FO / Harbaugh falling out probably doesn't happen.

Originally posted by Polkadots:
Should is irrelevant. You can't unring the bell.

Only two outcomes are likely. Either, JG balls out and prices himself out of the 49ers' range. Or JG's play regresses, and he plays himself out of the 49ers' QB1 role.

If JG balls out, he is going to get offers. Regardless of his past, regardless of injuries, etc. He will get a monstrous contract. The 49ers will not match said contract, especially given Trey has minimal trade value at the moment (I assume, since he will be three years into his NFL career in 2023, with about 250 minutes played).

If JG's play drops off, why would the 49ers bring him back? And if they did, given the prior assumption of average / poor play, that would be the death knell for Trey.

There is no JG next year, with the caveat being Trey isn't a bust in the eyes of the 49ers. If you see JG return, it's because they don't see Trey as the future. I don't see that happening.

As for JG, I am tickled pink he is here this year, because 2022 would be done without him (sorry Brock). I think this is a big week for JG, because the offense is going to need to show up. I don't think the 49ers' D is holding the Dolphins to < 17 points, and even that I think is a bit low. As I said in another post, I expect 24-27 points, minimum, for the 49ers to win. And I expect JG and the 49ers to deliver.

Didn't say anything about unringing the bell, but I can point to a decision that has been made, say it is a bad decision, and point to that decision when the team ends up in a worse position because of it than they were before said decision.

And yes, I do believe that the trade up for Lance was a bad decision, and I do believe that running Jimmy off to force Trey down everyone's throats will be a bad decision in the long run.

I think the idea that Waterbear's poll is biased is so incredibly idiotic. Just blows my mind. The poll is asking what holds the offense back MORE. It doesnt say the two options are the only things that could possibly be holding the offense back. The fact that it is being interpreted that way is a comprehension problem, not a problem with the poll itself.

If I was to create a poll asking what cell phone provider has the better service, AT&T or TMobile, that doesnt mean I am being baised against Verizon.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Waterbear:
What part of my poll showed bias? I'd love to hear this.

He was the only player included in the poll. The poll about who is holding us back. That would be one part.

There was two options in the poll and the results were very close to 50/50. I'll ask again, what part of the poll was biased?

My issue with that poll is it didn't include options such as player execution or injuries. It was biased because it made it seem like the issue was either Kyle or Jimmy and tbh neither choice was the correct one.

Another option could've included:

Mike McGlinchey
or
Right side of O-line

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
I think the idea that Waterbear's poll is biased is so incredibly idiotic. Just blows my mind. The poll is asking what holds the offense back MORE. It doesnt say the two options are the only things that could possibly be holding the offense back. The fact that it is being interpreted that way is a comprehension problem, not a problem with the poll itself.

If I was to create a poll asking what cell phone provider has the better service, AT&T or TMobile, that doesnt mean I am being baised against Verizon.

If we created a poll saying who holds the WZ back more and SWH was the only option along with KS it would hit you at that moment

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Waterbear:
I've never… I repeat NEVER have blamed Jimmy solely for our struggles. I gave Jimmy a lot of love for his game vs the Falcons where the offense scored 14 points, as well as the Rams games, Carolina, and Arizona.

I said Jimmy was part of the problem vs the chiefs, Chargers, and Saints. And that Jimmy's play vs Denver was our biggest problem. He still wasn't the only problem.

I've repeatedly said that Jimmy's an easy player to root for and probably one of the most likable QBs we've ever had. I really like Trey's personality as well. I'll be rooting for him as long as he's in a 49er uniform.

Im not sure how calling out someone who's acting like Jimmy's better than Steve Young and Joe Montana makes you think I'm biased against Jimmy but okay.

Bias I have no issue with. We are all biased toward Bosa over Givens for example. Some players are simply better than others and thus more critical to what we are building here. No one has to act or post like Bosa and Givens are equal. Just reading your stuff I get the impression you feel TL gives us a better win chance and want to move on from JG at the nearest reasonable opportunity. I could be wrong on this. It's a valid take and basically the take of JL and KS circa 2021.

For me if I sound more biased toward JG it's cuz he is putting it in the endzone; playing and producing. He's helping our win odds week to week and keeping our season afloat. If TL were playing and producing I would be biased in that direction. It's all about who's contributing helping us get to this goal of winning #6 that would be a very special moment maybe coming soon

last page for WB in case he missed it

appreciate the convo, WB

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
I think the idea that Waterbear's poll is biased is so incredibly idiotic. Just blows my mind. The poll is asking what holds the offense back MORE. It doesnt say the two options are the only things that could possibly be holding the offense back. The fact that it is being interpreted that way is a comprehension problem, not a problem with the poll itself.

If I was to create a poll asking what cell phone provider has the better service, AT&T or TMobile, that doesnt mean I am being baised against Verizon.

If we created a poll saying who holds the WZ back more and SWH was the only option along with KS it would hit you at that moment

No it wouldnt. That poll you just created is asking in other words "out of these two options, which one holds WZ back more?" Its not saying that there arent any possible other things that holds WZ back. Its just asking out of the two.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by Goatie:

Originally posted by ChillninDaBay:

Originally posted by Wubbie:
Yeah, it makes some sense to do it, but the logistics of HOW are the problem.
After pulling the trigger on CMC, they committed more so to a "Win NOW" mentality. I really do believe Trey Lance has a future in this league, but his development was set back by a year when he got injured. Trying to roll with Trey next year might hurt the window that we have with this roster.

But yeah... My prediction is that Jimmy's going to finish this season strong. We're moving toward a pass-first offense, he's playing well, and the offense is presumably going to get better over the last six games. He'll have strong statistical numbers numbers and hopefully should have a solid playoff run. That's a good situation for us this year, but it really muddies up our decision-making in the offseason at the QB position.

If Jimmy does well in the rest of the regular season and playoffs, he's going to have suitors. He's going to have the opportunity to get paid well, guaranteed money, on a multi-year contract. Even if Jimmy was okay with coming back and having Trey breathing down his neck (I doubt that), we're not going to commit to him and give him guaranteed money if we view Trey Lance as the QB of the Future.

I just don't see it happening if they have Trey Lance on the roster. To re-sign Jimmy, they'd have to make a tough call.

There is a reason Jimmy is on a backup deal for just this season... he won't be back, but at least "they" or "we" are finally getting "their" or "our" money's worth kind of 🤣
Definitely find out at the end of the season but at least he was only pay backup money for this year, like I have already said, genius move really 🤣

He will be back. The organization love him, as does the locker room and he is delivering more than Young and Montana

I'm one of Jimmy's biggest supporters, but this is a bit much.

Couldn't help yourself... could you? Lol

Ring cracks me up, man. Lol

He was obviously baiting you so why take it? Makes you look worse...lol

Obviously he's trolling, but so are you (to a milder degree) and I still respond to you.

Have a look in the mirror some time. It really wont hurt as bad as you think.

Lol the fact that you couldn't avoid replying, yet give goatie a softball without being enraged....says everything.

I mean goatie was actually serious about Jimmy out producing Montana and Young,...lol.

Relax a little more. JMO.

And I'll ask again....how much guaranteed money you see Jimmy commanding?

Me relax yet you're going on and on about me replying to someone else. Okay.

I said goatie was being ridiculous. He's not usually so over the top so he gets a pass, unlike yourself who posts pictures of Kittle dropping a ball but blaming Jimmy, and posted a blurry picture of Aiyuk with arrows pointing all over the place. YOU are extreme and obviously/hopefully trolling. Or perhaps you are serious. Either way, you're the one who needs to relax. Have you passed up NY for most posts in this thread yet?

Didn't know you asked about guaranteed money. I'd imagine 75% of that total, definitely not 100% like some of these guys are getting now.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
I think the idea that Waterbear's poll is biased is so incredibly idiotic. Just blows my mind. The poll is asking what holds the offense back MORE. It doesnt say the two options are the only things that could possibly be holding the offense back. The fact that it is being interpreted that way is a comprehension problem, not a problem with the poll itself.

If I was to create a poll asking what cell phone provider has the better service, AT&T or TMobile, that doesnt mean I am being baised against Verizon.

If we created a poll saying who holds the WZ back more and SWH was the only option along with KS it would hit you at that moment

No it wouldnt.

You would be fine with that and have no thought as to why you are being singled out among all posters? I would think someone maybe had an axe to grind with you.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
I think the idea that Waterbear's poll is biased is so incredibly idiotic. Just blows my mind. The poll is asking what holds the offense back MORE. It doesnt say the two options are the only things that could possibly be holding the offense back. The fact that it is being interpreted that way is a comprehension problem, not a problem with the poll itself.

If I was to create a poll asking what cell phone provider has the better service, AT&T or TMobile, that doesnt mean I am being baised against Verizon.

If we created a poll saying who holds the WZ back more and SWH was the only option along with KS it would hit you at that moment

Damn. Great analogy lol.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Waterbear:
I've never… I repeat NEVER have blamed Jimmy solely for our struggles. I gave Jimmy a lot of love for his game vs the Falcons where the offense scored 14 points, as well as the Rams games, Carolina, and Arizona.

I said Jimmy was part of the problem vs the chiefs, Chargers, and Saints. And that Jimmy's play vs Denver was our biggest problem. He still wasn't the only problem.

I've repeatedly said that Jimmy's an easy player to root for and probably one of the most likable QBs we've ever had. I really like Trey's personality as well. I'll be rooting for him as long as he's in a 49er uniform.

Im not sure how calling out someone who's acting like Jimmy's better than Steve Young and Joe Montana makes you think I'm biased against Jimmy but okay.

Bias I have no issue with. We are all biased toward Bosa over Givens for example. Some players are simply better than others and thus more critical to what we are building here. No one has to act or post like Bosa and Givens are equal. Just reading your stuff I get the impression you feel TL gives us a better win chance and want to move on from JG at the nearest reasonable opportunity. I could be wrong on this. It's a valid take and basically the take of JL and KS circa 2021.

For me if I sound more biased toward JG it's cuz he is putting it in the endzone; playing and producing. He's helping our win odds week to week and keeping our season afloat. If TL were playing and producing I would be biased in that direction. It's all about who's contributing helping us get to this goal of winning #6 that would be a very special moment maybe coming soon

Yes, you're wrong about that. I have repeatedly said that it's unfair to Jimmy to make any claim that Trey would have performed better this season, just like last year when I was calling out people for saying that starting Trey as a rookie would have resulted in a wasted season. It goes both ways and yet I've remained consistent for both QBs.

And you're right everyone has their bias. I've noticed I argue with people who are very high on Jimmy more often than people who are very high on Trey. But that's not a representation of my bias against or for those players, it's more about the type of poster I disagree with, example: like saying Jimmy>Montana&Young, using wins and losses to evaluate QB play, winning the super bowl with Jimmy means JG>TL, and so on. I've called out posters who have made ridiculous comments about Jimmy. But more often than not the posters I disagree with the most think very highly of Jimmy and not very highly of KS.