Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Los Angeles Rams

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
I think the idea that Waterbear's poll is biased is so incredibly idiotic. Just blows my mind. The poll is asking what holds the offense back MORE. It doesnt say the two options are the only things that could possibly be holding the offense back. The fact that it is being interpreted that way is a comprehension problem, not a problem with the poll itself.

If I was to create a poll asking what cell phone provider has the better service, AT&T or TMobile, that doesnt mean I am being baised against Verizon.

If we created a poll saying who holds the WZ back more and SWH was the only option along with KS it would hit you at that moment

Damn. Great analogy lol.

So was mine, yet it was conveniently ignored. Not to mention Kyle Shanahan being an option of who holds WZ back more makes absolutely no sense.

Originally posted by Franchise408:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
You do understand that the NFL is a business, right? Money/cap space play a huge role in such decisions. And the fall after the Harbaugh era had more to do with Harbaugh and Fangio leaving plus the mass exodus of our defensive players than it did the replacing of Alex Smith with Colin Kaepernick.

And a huge part of Harbaugh's departure was the lackluster performance by the team his final year, in which the downgrade at QB by choosing Kaepernick was a huge reason for the team's falling off. If Kaepernick wasn't an absolute disaster of a QB, the whole FO / Harbaugh falling out probably doesn't happen.

Harbaugh's departure started when the image of the 49ers brand was put into jeopardy. When Harbaugh decided it was more important to win games than to discipline players for their off the field behavior. Harbaugh never had a losing record as the 49ers HC and took this team to 3 straight NFCCG's and a SB. It never had anything to do with how the team performed.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
If we created a poll saying who holds the WZ back more and SWH was the only option along with KS it would hit you at that moment

It's a spectrum. Between KS and SWH, someone does hold the Zone back more. And every single other person who uses this site falls somewhere on that spectrum. Someone is at the front, someone is at the back, and everyone else is in between. But that doesn't mean the poll is inherently biased, nor does it mean the author of said poll is biased. The author may be, but that's a result of the totality of said author's actions, not a singular poll.

Every offensive player, in some way or another, holds the offense back (when they do not play perfectly). Every player, to a man, will admit this. So it's a question of who is most responsible for a lack of offensive production. Some weeks it is, in fact, Jimmy. Some weeks it isn't. Some weeks it is Kyle. Some weeks it isnt. And on and on.

Originally posted by Polkadots:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
If we created a poll saying who holds the WZ back more and SWH was the only option along with KS it would hit you at that moment

It's a spectrum. Between KS and SWH, someone does hold the Zone back more. And every single other person who uses this site falls somewhere on that spectrum. Someone is at the front, someone is at the back, and everyone else is in between. But that doesn't mean the poll is inherently biased, nor does it mean the author of said poll is biased. The author may be, but that's a result of the totality of said author's actions, not a singular poll.

Every offensive player, in some way or another, holds the offense back (when they do not play perfectly). Every player, to a man, will admit this. So it's a question of who is most responsible for a lack of offensive production. Some weeks it is, in fact, Jimmy. Some weeks it isn't. Some weeks it is Kyle. Some weeks it isnt. And on and on.

The poll is asking out of these two people, who holds the offense back more. It isnt saying they are the only two people who hold the offense back.

If someone created the poll that 49F6 just brought up, the answer is me. I hold WZ back more than Kyle Shanahan. I am not stupid enough to think that someone who doesnt post on WZ has more of an affect on WZ than someone who does.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
The poll is asking out of these two people, who holds the offense back more. It isnt saying they are the only two people who hold the offense back.

If someone created the poll that 49F6 just brought up, the answer is me. I hold WZ back more than Kyle Shanahan. I am not stupid enough to think that someone who doesnt post on WZ has more of an affect on WZ than someone who does.

I understand. My point is it is a spectrum. Everyone here, in some way or another, adds (or detracts) from the site. So asking who does it more doesn't mean much. Anyway, that's neither here nor there.

The point I am making is sometimes Jimmy does, in fact, hold the offense back more (than Kyle, or anyone else on that particular day). Other weeks, it is not Jimmy. Every week someone is the worst offensive player, someone is the best, and everyone else falls in the middle. And that applies to a particular season, two year stretch, decade, etc.

This whole focus on a poll is much ado about nothing.

Originally posted by Waterbear:
Yes, you're wrong about that. I have repeatedly said that it's unfair to Jimmy to make any claim that Trey would have performed better this season, just like last year when I was calling out people for saying that starting Trey as a rookie would have resulted in a wasted season. It goes both ways and yet I've remained consistent for both QBs.

And you're right everyone has their bias. I've noticed I argue with people who are very high on Jimmy more often than people who are very high on Trey. But that's not a representation of my bias against or for those players, it's more about the type of poster I disagree with, example: like saying Jimmy>Montana&Young, using wins and losses to evaluate QB play, winning the super bowl with Jimmy means JG>TL, and so on. I've called out posters who have made ridiculous comments about Jimmy. But more often than not the posters I disagree with the most think very highly of Jimmy and not very highly of KS.

Good post. For the record I am very pro KS 99% of the way. He'd be hired in 3 seconds if we decided to move on, which we should not. I focus on the stuff I think he needs to work on like getting a lil more aggressive on the go for it calls, the analytics that say go for it I would like him to lean into more. I can say that I watched Montana and Young and you can't put those guys in the same sentence with JG and keep a straight face. I would agree with you on that.

Originally posted by Polkadots:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
The poll is asking out of these two people, who holds the offense back more. It isnt saying they are the only two people who hold the offense back.

If someone created the poll that 49F6 just brought up, the answer is me. I hold WZ back more than Kyle Shanahan. I am not stupid enough to think that someone who doesnt post on WZ has more of an affect on WZ than someone who does.

I understand. My point is it is a spectrum. Everyone here, in some way or another, adds (or detracts) from the site. So asking who does it more doesn't mean much. Anyway, that's neither here nor there.

The point I am making is sometimes Jimmy does, in fact, hold the offense back more (than Kyle, or anyone else on that particular day). Other weeks, it is not Jimmy. Every week someone is the worst offensive player, someone is the best, and everyone else falls in the middle. And that applies to a particular season, two year stretch, decade, etc.

This whole focus on a poll is much ado about nothing.

Well said, specifically the bolded. But some got offended by the poll for no reason.

Originally posted by NinerPrideinNJ:

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by RiceOwensStokes:

Here is a good example of why raw data is hardly worth the cyberspace it is printed on. I'll just leave it at that...

Right, Running game and defense should have win loss records as well.

The polarized sides of the JG camps are both wrong.

Is he as talented as Joe or Steve. No. Not even close.

Is he a winner and pretty damn good at his best? Absolutely.

You are what your record says you are.

The idea that he's 40-19 just because of his run game and defense is not correct. And if we're going to go that route, let's look at guys like Roger Craig, Ricky Watters, Garrison Hearst. And defense for both QBs was fantastic. that 94 defense was LOADED.

This is pretty close to where I land, too. Good post.

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by Goatie:

Originally posted by ChillninDaBay:

Originally posted by Wubbie:
Yeah, it makes some sense to do it, but the logistics of HOW are the problem.
After pulling the trigger on CMC, they committed more so to a "Win NOW" mentality. I really do believe Trey Lance has a future in this league, but his development was set back by a year when he got injured. Trying to roll with Trey next year might hurt the window that we have with this roster.

But yeah... My prediction is that Jimmy's going to finish this season strong. We're moving toward a pass-first offense, he's playing well, and the offense is presumably going to get better over the last six games. He'll have strong statistical numbers numbers and hopefully should have a solid playoff run. That's a good situation for us this year, but it really muddies up our decision-making in the offseason at the QB position.

If Jimmy does well in the rest of the regular season and playoffs, he's going to have suitors. He's going to have the opportunity to get paid well, guaranteed money, on a multi-year contract. Even if Jimmy was okay with coming back and having Trey breathing down his neck (I doubt that), we're not going to commit to him and give him guaranteed money if we view Trey Lance as the QB of the Future.

I just don't see it happening if they have Trey Lance on the roster. To re-sign Jimmy, they'd have to make a tough call.

There is a reason Jimmy is on a backup deal for just this season... he won't be back, but at least "they" or "we" are finally getting "their" or "our" money's worth kind of 🤣
Definitely find out at the end of the season but at least he was only pay backup money for this year, like I have already said, genius move really 🤣

He will be back. The organization love him, as does the locker room and he is delivering more than Young and Montana

I'm one of Jimmy's biggest supporters, but this is a bit much.

Couldn't help yourself... could you? Lol

Ring cracks me up, man. Lol

He was obviously baiting you so why take it? Makes you look worse...lol

Obviously he's trolling, but so are you (to a milder degree) and I still respond to you.

I don't consider it trolling to be a fan of Jimmy.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
The poll is asking out of these two people, who holds the offense back more. It isnt saying they are the only two people who hold the offense back.

If someone created the poll that 49F6 just brought up, the answer is me. I hold WZ back more than Kyle Shanahan. I am not stupid enough to think that someone who doesnt post on WZ has more of an affect on WZ than someone who doe.

Context is everything, too.

Not to speak for WB,...but Kyle and Jimmy are the 2 people posters mainly attack whenever a ball lands on the ground or there's a sack.

No other members of the team get such a large amount of accusation.

It only makes sense to poll with those 2 names and measure.

Originally posted by TD49ers:

Originally posted by Goatie:

Originally posted by ChillninDaBay:

Originally posted by Wubbie:
Yeah, it makes some sense to do it, but the logistics of HOW are the problem.
After pulling the trigger on CMC, they committed more so to a "Win NOW" mentality. I really do believe Trey Lance has a future in this league, but his development was set back by a year when he got injured. Trying to roll with Trey next year might hurt the window that we have with this roster.

But yeah... My prediction is that Jimmy's going to finish this season strong. We're moving toward a pass-first offense, he's playing well, and the offense is presumably going to get better over the last six games. He'll have strong statistical numbers numbers and hopefully should have a solid playoff run. That's a good situation for us this year, but it really muddies up our decision-making in the offseason at the QB position.

If Jimmy does well in the rest of the regular season and playoffs, he's going to have suitors. He's going to have the opportunity to get paid well, guaranteed money, on a multi-year contract. Even if Jimmy was okay with coming back and having Trey breathing down his neck (I doubt that), we're not going to commit to him and give him guaranteed money if we view Trey Lance as the QB of the Future.

I just don't see it happening if they have Trey Lance on the roster. To re-sign Jimmy, they'd have to make a tough call.

There is a reason Jimmy is on a backup deal for just this season... he won't be back, but at least "they" or "we" are finally getting "their" or "our" money's worth kind of 🤣
Definitely find out at the end of the season but at least he was only pay backup money for this year, like I have already said, genius move really 🤣

He will be back. The organization love him, as does the locker room and he is delivering more than Young and Montana

I cant believe you typed this on a 49er forum and no one says a word. This is why the JG Fan club lack any creditability. Ridiculous.

I think the clown hat is meant to convey trolling.

Originally posted by Goatie:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by Goatie:
He will be back. The organization love him, as does the locker room and he is delivering more than Young and Montana

What does this mean?

JG has won more games as a 49er then both Young and Montana and has a better win/loss ratio.

Joe had 110 wins for the 49ers. Steve had 91. I can't imagine someone being on this board and not being aware of that, so this must be an unfunny trolling attempt.

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by Goatie:

Originally posted by ChillninDaBay:

Originally posted by Wubbie:
Yeah, it makes some sense to do it, but the logistics of HOW are the problem.
After pulling the trigger on CMC, they committed more so to a "Win NOW" mentality. I really do believe Trey Lance has a future in this league, but his development was set back by a year when he got injured. Trying to roll with Trey next year might hurt the window that we have with this roster.

But yeah... My prediction is that Jimmy's going to finish this season strong. We're moving toward a pass-first offense, he's playing well, and the offense is presumably going to get better over the last six games. He'll have strong statistical numbers numbers and hopefully should have a solid playoff run. That's a good situation for us this year, but it really muddies up our decision-making in the offseason at the QB position.

If Jimmy does well in the rest of the regular season and playoffs, he's going to have suitors. He's going to have the opportunity to get paid well, guaranteed money, on a multi-year contract. Even if Jimmy was okay with coming back and having Trey breathing down his neck (I doubt that), we're not going to commit to him and give him guaranteed money if we view Trey Lance as the QB of the Future.

I just don't see it happening if they have Trey Lance on the roster. To re-sign Jimmy, they'd have to make a tough call.

There is a reason Jimmy is on a backup deal for just this season... he won't be back, but at least "they" or "we" are finally getting "their" or "our" money's worth kind of 🤣
Definitely find out at the end of the season but at least he was only pay backup money for this year, like I have already said, genius move really 🤣

He will be back. The organization love him, as does the locker room and he is delivering more than Young and Montana

I'm one of Jimmy's biggest supporters, but this is a bit much.

Couldn't help yourself... could you? Lol

Ring cracks me up, man. Lol

He was obviously baiting you so why take it? Makes you look worse...lol

Obviously he's trolling, but so are you (to a milder degree) and I still respond to you.

I don't consider it trolling to be a fan of Jimmy.

It's trolling to make blatantly false statements about Hall of Fame players on their team's board. That or inexcusable ignorance.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
It's trolling to make blatantly false statements about Hall of Fame players on their team's board. That or inexcusable ignorance.

Nah hes not. Goatie wants Trey cut and Jimmy extended long term. I have no doubt he believes that.

Originally posted by NinerPrideinNJ:

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by RiceOwensStokes:

Here is a good example of why raw data is hardly worth the cyberspace it is printed on. I'll just leave it at that...

Right, Running game and defense should have win loss records as well.

The polarized sides of the JG camps are both wrong.

Is he as talented as Joe or Steve. No. Not even close.

Is he a winner and pretty damn good at his best? Absolutely.

You are what your record says you are.

The idea that he's 40-19 just because of his run game and defense is not correct. And if we're going to go that route, let's look at guys like Roger Craig, Ricky Watters, Garrison Hearst. And defense for both QBs was fantastic. that 94 defense was LOADED.

None of those teams were run first, except the 1997 49ers. All the rest were pass first with the run game used to close out. So please don't pretend to be Mr. Reasonable to hide more disinformation.