Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Los Angeles Rams

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by dj43:
Kyle seemed to be saying that to take a sack at that point would have taken them our of FG range, or at least made it more difficult for Gould.

I heard him say that and I couldnt disagree stronger. Like I said to Jose, if Jimmy went down at the exact time he identified the free rusher, we wouldnt have even been close to being out of field goal range.

He should have went down right here:



That would have been a 47 yard field goal, well within Gould's range.

We're talking about 1 second or so post snap right here. You saying Jimmy should be deciding to go straight down at this point? That would be giving up on the play entirely. Again, he was trying to give his guys a split second longer to come open. Keep the drive going to try and match Miami's easy TD.

If Jimmy went down at this moment, I'd start calling him Jimmy Everett (reference to Chris Everett, Jim Rome). But at least he'd be playing next week.

Purdy had a free rusher on third and ten… he should have given himself up too.

https://youtube.com/shorts/wg7_Ee3dJ_o?feature=share

someone freeze frame this at the exact moment purdy should have gone down pls.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by dj43:
Kyle seemed to be saying that to take a sack at that point would have taken them our of FG range, or at least made it more difficult for Gould.

I heard him say that and I couldnt disagree stronger. Like I said to Jose, if Jimmy went down at the exact time he identified the free rusher, we wouldnt have even been close to being out of field goal range.

He should have went down right here:



That would have been a 47 yard field goal, well within Gould's range.

We're talking about 1 second or so post snap right here. You saying Jimmy should be deciding to go straight down at this point? That would be giving up on the play entirely. Again, he was trying to give his guys a split second longer to come open. Keep the drive going to try and match Miami's easy TD.

If Jimmy went down at this moment, I'd start calling him Jimmy Everett (reference to Chris Everett, Jim Rome). But at least he'd be playing next week.

Lol. Just imagine the level of criticism he'd have gotten had he gone down without being touched. And then even add a missed field goal. He'd have been eviscerated in here.

Originally posted by 5thSFG:
Purdy had a free rusher on third and ten… he should have given himself up too.

https://youtube.com/shorts/wg7_Ee3dJ_o?feature=share

someone freeze frame this at the exact moment purdy should have gone down pls.

Great point and basically the argument that I'm making about Jimmy's willingness to hang in there until the last possible second.

I don't believe it's Jimmys fault the injury happened but let's spend pages discussing how he should have prevented it, with still frames and all. This place lol

Originally posted by Furlow:
Lol. Just imagine the level of criticism he'd have gotten had he gone down without being touched. And then even add a missed field goal. He'd have been eviscerated in here.

No doubt. In part why this whole discussion is stupid.

Originally posted by 5thSFG:
Purdy had a free rusher on third and ten… he should have given himself up too.

https://youtube.com/shorts/wg7_Ee3dJ_o?feature=share

someone freeze frame this at the exact moment purdy should have gone down pls.

Exactly

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Originally posted by Furlow:
Lol. Just imagine the level of criticism he'd have gotten had he gone down without being touched. And then even add a missed field goal. He'd have been eviscerated in here.

No doubt. In part why this whole discussion is stupid.

Again, I think with the right level of nuance, it's a good discussion. I do agree that "should" needs to be replaced with "could" though. There is a gray area or "meter" that QB's have to play in, and each play requires consideration of risk and reward. Decisions to bail on a play versus waiting for a window to open happen in split seconds - and the QB's who can wait the longest and make plays at the very end of those split seconds are the best of the best. Jimmy pushes that limit to the max; and that makes him a good QB but also puts him at risk for injury.

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
I don't believe it's Jimmy's fault the injury happened but let's spend pages discussing how he should have prevented it, with still frames and all. This place lol

Boy. This times 100. There is a small but dedicated group in here for which every bad thing that ever happens to this team will be because of Jimmy. We will win a tough game and there will be pages and pages of complaints about a pass that Jimmy "should have thrown better" and then they all come in here and try and pretend that they are just offering up "legitimate' criticism. Hopefully, everyone can now rally behind Brock Purdy and all of these stupid Jimmy and Lance arguments can be put to bed until after the season is over. Go Niners!!

Originally posted by 49ers81:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
I don't believe it's Jimmy's fault the injury happened but let's spend pages discussing how he should have prevented it, with still frames and all. This place lol

Boy. This times 100. There is a small but dedicated group in here for which every bad thing that ever happens to this team will be because of Jimmy. We will win a tough game and there will be pages and pages of complaints about a pass that Jimmy "should have thrown better" and then they all come in here and try and pretend that they are just offering up "legitimate' criticism. Hopefully, everyone can now rally behind Brock Purdy and all of these stupid Jimmy and Lance arguments can be put to bed until after the season is over. Go Niners!!

I'm not really interested in dissecting that play. Because regardless if it was his fault or not, football is a violent game and your season can end at any moment, on a play that could be deemed as good or bad. Just one wrong hit or cut and it could be all over. So a bad play could have a correlation to an injury but that doesn't mean it caused it, or that Jimmy would be healthy all year if not for that bad play.

Anyone who mocked Jimmy's injury is the worst kind of fan. Same goes for the posters who mocked Trey Lance. I still believe it's prudent to be able to criticize players while supporting them, but I kind of feel like those injury plays are not plays id try to make any point about. But that's just me.

Originally posted by VinculumJuris:
Without a shared definition of "fault," I don't know if we're saying the same or different things. This feels a bit like parsing words. I never said it is an affirmative assignment of fault but that it allows fault and the underlying exercise of judgment to be merged.

In any event, the more important part of my response is that saying someone should or should not do something substitutes your own judgment for theirs. Implicit in that is an assumption that your judgment is at least as valid. How you would exercise judgment is entirely subjective (for example, I disagree with your statement that minimizing risk is paramount in that situation, and your judgment also seems to be somewhat skewed by hindsight bias / result-oriented thinking).

Definitely a fair post. Makes a lot of sense. Maybe there is an unintentional bias because we know what ended up happening. I guess in my head I just cant help but go back to Peyton dropping to the ground immediately in similar situations over and over, that I feel like it should be part of every QB's thinking.

Good post. Thanks for the back and forth.

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
I don't believe it's Jimmys fault the injury happened but let's spend pages discussing how he should have prevented it, with still frames and all. This place lol

Why dont you ignore it and let us discuss if you have such an issue with the topic. Once again, these last few pages havent had a single person say that Jimmy was at fault for getting hurt, but you do you man.

And since you seem to need help with comprehension, the intention of the screenshot was to illustrate the part of the field/field goal range, not to place blame on Jimmy. If you are going to respond in a condescending way, maybe you should at least try to understand the context of the post you are complaining about.

Originally posted by thl408:
If Jimmy went down at this moment, I'd start calling him Jimmy Everett (reference to Chris Everett, Jim Rome). But at least he'd be playing next week.

Peyton Manning is at worst, a top 5 QB of all time, and he used to do this on a regular basis.

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Originally posted by Furlow:
Lol. Just imagine the level of criticism he'd have gotten had he gone down without being touched. And then even add a missed field goal. He'd have been eviscerated in here.

No doubt. In part why this whole discussion is stupid.

Again, I think with the right level of nuance, it's a good discussion. I do agree that "should" needs to be replaced with "could" though. There is a gray area or "meter" that QB's have to play in, and each play requires consideration of risk and reward. Decisions to bail on a play versus waiting for a window to open happen in split seconds - and the QB's who can wait the longest and make plays at the very end of those split seconds are the best of the best. Jimmy pushes that limit to the max; and that makes him a good QB but also puts him at risk for injury.

Thanks for being level headed about the conversation. Same with Vin. Wish we could say the same about everyone, but here we are.

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Originally posted by Furlow:
Lol. Just imagine the level of criticism he'd have gotten had he gone down without being touched. And then even add a missed field goal. He'd have been eviscerated in here.

No doubt. In part why this whole discussion is stupid.

Again, I think with the right level of nuance, it's a good discussion. I do agree that "should" needs to be replaced with "could" though. There is a gray area or "meter" that QB's have to play in, and each play requires consideration of risk and reward. Decisions to bail on a play versus waiting for a window to open happen in split seconds - and the QB's who can wait the longest and make plays at the very end of those split seconds are the best of the best. Jimmy pushes that limit to the max; and that makes him a good QB but also puts him at risk for injury.

Agreed, it's split second decision. He decided to not give up on the play and fight for every yard for Gould and the team. Can't fault him for that. Hats in part why some fans appreciate Jimmy.