Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Los Angeles Rams

Originally posted by Franchise408:
Cop out response.

At this point, the people who watched Young are pushing 40, and the people who watched Montana are beyond that. We have an entire chunk of our fanbase that wasn't around for either one of those guys, let alone Brodie or Tittle. In my lifetime, Garoppolo is easily the best QB the 49ers have had since Garcia, and yes that includes even Harbaugh era Alex. I loved Alex Smith and felt he also got a raw deal here, but even at his peak under Harbaugh, he wasn't putting up the numbers that Jimmy was.

Jimmy G is the best QB this franchise has had in decades, and was a key contributing factor to the resurgence of the 49ers under Shanahan. Jimmy was not the only factor, by any means, and Jimmy is far from irreplaceable, and the franchise has made their decision to move on. We had better hope that Brock or Trey are worth it in the long run, because the franchise ran out a damned good QB over a case of "grass is greener". As a 49ers fan who is pushing 40 myself, and spent the majority of my fandom watching the franchise be bottom feeders, this is the 2nd time in a decade that the franchise has pushed out a good QB for the shinier toy. Last time, that shiner toy ended up being a far more incompetent option that tanked the franchise for nearly a decade. I certainly don't want to watch that happen again should Lance be a bust or Brock end up being a flash in the pan (neither of which I am saying will or won't happen. Neither one has enough experience under their belt to indicate one way or another)

My problem never has been the idea of replacing Jimmy G, my problem has always been the false narrative surrounding him (no, it's not just people who want a "notch above that can stay healthy". The entire narrative surrounding him is full blown hyperbole not supported by fact that continues to get fueled and pushed by the media) as well as the single track focus on running him out at all costs, no matter the expense to the rest of the team (i.e. trading away 3 1st round picks to get his replacement)

Jimmy is certainly upgradeable, but I have issue with a front office, a media, and a fanbase, that is so obsessed with blowing up something that has been so successful for us and returned this franchise to respectability after so long of being a bottom dweller. Not very many franchises, and not many QB's, have had more success in the league since Jimmy G came on board as the starter of the 49ers, and I am absolutely flabbergasted at the obsession with blowing that up.

Jimmy is not the sole reason for our success by any means, but he certainly is a positive contributor of that. Not just "along for the ride" and "being carried" by a defense and running game that was completely unable to do it when he wasn't around.

At this point, he's left as a free agent, and my hope is that this is a mutually beneficial solution for both sides - the 49ers can move on with someone they hope can take the reigns for the future (and with 2 young prospects in Trey Lance and Brock Purdy who have both shown promise in their own ways, there is certainly hope), and Jimmy can move on to a franchise and a coach that actually wants him where he won't have to look over his shoulder every step of the way. More important to me is how the 49ers move on from this. Neither Trey nor Brock are guaranteed to succeed long term. All the same people saying that we've seen enough from Brock are the same ones saying the 49ers paid Jimmy G off too small a sample size. Trey Lance has even less than that. It is not a guarantee that either one of them will even be as good as Jimmy G long term, let alone better. Despite what newly blowing trends are suggesting, there is also nothing to indicate that Trey Lance is going to end up being a bust either. My hope now is for one of those guys to take charge and make this team theirs.

Fair summary.

Originally posted by blizzuntz:
Lots of debate about "feelings"

which is corny

And it only happens in this thread. Players in other threads get crapped on over and over and there is no defense by the people in here that care so much about Jimmy being "hated".

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by blizzuntz:
Lots of debate about "feelings"

which is corny

And it only happens in this thread. Players in other threads get crapped on over and over and there is no defense by the people in here that care so much about Jimmy being "hated".

Quarterbacks always create the widest range of views and emotions. Nothing new here. If you were around in the Alex Smith days you will recall some of the same posters saying the same things. Only the face has changed.

Originally posted by dj43:
Quarterbacks always create the widest range of views and emotions. Nothing new here. If you were around in the Alex Smith days you will recall some of the same posters saying the same things. Only the face has changed.

Alex got a ton of opportunity to prove himself and took 7 seasons to finally be somewhat productive. Trey has been given 4 games. Not quite the same thing.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by dj43:
Quarterbacks always create the widest range of views and emotions. Nothing new here. If you were around in the Alex Smith days you will recall some of the same posters saying the same things. Only the face has changed.

Alex got a ton of opportunity to prove himself and took 7 seasons to finally be somewhat productive. Trey has been given 4 games. Not quite the same thing.

It will be once you all turn on him though. It's already started after 4 games.

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Originally posted by tankle104:
I'll never understand the hate for jimmy. Best QB we've had since Garcia and helped lead us to a lot of wins. Handled all the outside noise as well as anyone ever has. Class act (except the random old porn star banging hahahah). Top 10-12 qb in the league consistently, great on third down, very efficient, excellent locker room guy. He had his limitations but we could of been a lot worse off.

i wish the guy nothing but the best, unless he's playing the 49ers, of course. Haha

there's no hate.. but those limitations you talked about is why he isn't here anymore

There's no hate, could've fooled me the past few years. WTF was that then tough love. I don't think so. The main reason he's not here anymore which I don't know how anyone could disagree with is availability. If Jimmy stayed healthy since 2017 there would be no Trey Lance and Brock Purdy. But that's all past us now, moving on!!!!

the hate was more of poster vs poster with jimmy being the pawn

There's a difference between hate and criticism. Unfortunately too many people can't tell the difference.

Would you say that people who said he sucks, is only a backup, and isn't worth a bag of chips is hate or criticism?

I see people use terms like that all the time but they're really expressing disappointment as much as anything else. We have posters that say this or that player sucks when they really mean he's not a pro bowler or as good as they want. Some expect perfection at every position. Most people that weren't Jimmy fans didn't hate him They just wanted someone a notch above that could stay healthy. That's what happens when you get spoiled by having back to back HOF QBs. Jimmy would have been the best QB in 70 years for the Bears. For theNiners he was maybe the 6th best in that span behind Montana, Young, Garcia, Brodie and Tittle. Alex Smith was probably as good or better but he never had the benefit of playing under a good coach until Harbaugh came along.

The bolded is the EXACT proof that Jimmy was "hated" rather than "criticized" unfairly. To dismiss the irrational BS that was spewed on this forum and in the media towards him as merely "criticism" is extremely disingenuous.

I think people are once again missing my point here. Jimmy would have been considered a much better QB with many franchises but when you play for one that won so many SBs and had a lot of great QBs, it's hard to live up to that. How's any QB gong to live up to the standard that Brady set in NE no matter how good he is. GN is similar. From Bart Starr to Favre to Rodger. Hard act to follow. If JG had lead the team to a couple of SB wins he would be viewed differently I'm sure but that's the standard that fans expect. I neve rhad any hate for Jimmy. In fact I had high hopes for him like any of you but after a couple of years I realized that he was good but we could do better. That's always the goal for every team. Get better at every position if you can.

I saw a lot of posts about Purdy that said he was an upgrade over Jimmy. He looked great for those 7 or 8 games but I want to see how he's doing in 2 or 3 years. Then we can see if he was really an upgrade. Jimmy's gone to the raiders and I wish him well. If he can stay healthy he may do okay but that's a division with a lot of talent and his O line there isn't great. I expect his numbers will be similar to what he did in SF.

Originally posted by ItsX4Number6:
It will be once you all turn on him though. It's already started after 4 games.

I mean if he's playing like Alex and Jimmy played after 50 something starts yah I don't see a problem with wanting to move in a different direction.

Look how much better the offense was with Brock. They need that but even better going forward. Whether that is Brock or Trey.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by ItsX4Number6:
It will be once you all turn on him though. It's already started after 4 games.

I mean if he's playing like Alex and Jimmy played after 50 something starts yah I don't see a problem with wanting to move in a different direction.

Look how much better the offense was with Brock. They need that but even better going forward. Whether that is Brock or Trey.

I don't either but when Jimmy is as successful as he is and you guys can't even offer him an ounce of praise, there's more to the story and y'all aren't being honest. Just as anybody that thinks Jimmy has no flaws. There are posters here with thousands of post and 99.999% are all negative. One guy here even wakes up every single morning to count down the days until he's gone. Now how is that not blatant haterism? Every...single... morning.

And the word hater here is slang outside of the dude who wakes up every morning as that's actual hatred but the rest I think are just slang haters as in. I don't think anyone outside of morning guy actually hate Jimmy. But slang wise they are haters.

Via urban dictionary...Again it's slang... I understand the urban dictionary has absolutely no uses outside of slang.

"A person that simply cannot be happy for another person's success. So rather than be happy they make a point of exposing a flaw in that person."

I get it. Jimmy is far from perfect. I agree that some give him tol much credit but guys like the morning guy can't even give him one iota of credit. Just like with Alex.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by blizzuntz:
Lots of debate about "feelings"

which is corny

And it only happens in this thread. Players in other threads get crapped on over and over and there is no defense by the people in here that care so much about Jimmy being "hated".

Very feminine thread

Originally posted by ItsX4Number6:
I don't either but when Jimmy is as successful as he is and you guys can't even offer him an ounce of praise, there's more to the story and y'all aren't being honest. Just as anybody that thinks Jimmy has no flaws. There are posters here with thousands of post and 99.999% are all negative. One guy here even wakes up every single morning to count down the days until he's gone. Now how is that not blatant haterism? Every...single... morning.

And the word hater here is slang outside of the dude who wakes up every morning as that's actual hatred but the rest I think are just slang haters as in. I don't think anyone outside of morning guy actually hate Jimmy. But slang wise they are haters.

Via urban dictionary...Again it's slang... I understand the urban dictionary has absolutely no uses outside of slang.

"A person that simply cannot be happy for another person's success. So rather than be happy they make a point of exposing a flaw in that person."

I get it. Jimmy is far from perfect. I agree that some give him tol much credit but guys like the morning guy can't even give him one iota of credit. Just like with Alex.

Don't know who "you guys" are but i've given Jimmy credit for being an above average guy for us who helped us turn the corner as a franchise. I don't even disagree that he's been our best QB since Jeff Garcia. But his flaws did cost us. If we could get the guy from the Saints game back i'd do that in a heartbeat. Alas he never showed that on a consistent basis so we were stuck overpaying for slightly above average qb play.

Guys have argued Trey should be cut. Guys are currently arguing they wish Trey could be traded right now. A whole group don't think he will ever be successful. This from a guy with 4 starts, not 50+ like Alex and Jimmy. Just nowhere near the same to me.

Originally posted by tankle104:
There are definitely some people, media and on here, that were ridiculously hard on him. I never understood it. Of course he had limitations and it was annoying that he was injured a lot - i was just saying that idk how anyone can feel disdain towards him. It was fun to watch games during his tenure and you can tell he was doing his best, and his best was much better than we've seen in a long time.

i always liked the guy and supported him, I still think he's better than a lot of people give him, but I was ready to move on.

i think it's a problem with a franchise like ours, packers, NE etc - fans have seen such amazingly high level of play that if someone doesn't match that - they suck. It's like a double edged sword. Hahah I understand wanting top tier play at QB, I sure want it, but it doesn't make me dislike a player to the level tHat I've seen with Jimmy.

Originally posted by Franchise408:
Cop out response.

At this point, the people who watched Young are pushing 40, and the people who watched Montana are beyond that. We have an entire chunk of our fanbase that wasn't around for either one of those guys, let alone Brodie or Tittle. In my lifetime, Garoppolo is easily the best QB the 49ers have had since Garcia, and yes that includes even Harbaugh era Alex. I loved Alex Smith and felt he also got a raw deal here, but even at his peak under Harbaugh, he wasn't putting up the numbers that Jimmy was.

Jimmy G is the best QB this franchise has had in decades, and was a key contributing factor to the resurgence of the 49ers under Shanahan. Jimmy was not the only factor, by any means, and Jimmy is far from irreplaceable, and the franchise has made their decision to move on. We had better hope that Brock or Trey are worth it in the long run, because the franchise ran out a damned good QB over a case of "grass is greener". As a 49ers fan who is pushing 40 myself, and spent the majority of my fandom watching the franchise be bottom feeders, this is the 2nd time in a decade that the franchise has pushed out a good QB for the shinier toy. Last time, that shiner toy ended up being a far more incompetent option that tanked the franchise for nearly a decade. I certainly don't want to watch that happen again should Lance be a bust or Brock end up being a flash in the pan (neither of which I am saying will or won't happen. Neither one has enough experience under their belt to indicate one way or another)

My problem never has been the idea of replacing Jimmy G, my problem has always been the false narrative surrounding him (no, it's not just people who want a "notch above that can stay healthy". The entire narrative surrounding him is full blown hyperbole not supported by fact that continues to get fueled and pushed by the media) as well as the single track focus on running him out at all costs, no matter the expense to the rest of the team (i.e. trading away 3 1st round picks to get his replacement)

Jimmy is certainly upgradeable, but I have issue with a front office, a media, and a fanbase, that is so obsessed with blowing up something that has been so successful for us and returned this franchise to respectability after so long of being a bottom dweller. Not very many franchises, and not many QB's, have had more success in the league since Jimmy G came on board as the starter of the 49ers, and I am absolutely flabbergasted at the obsession with blowing that up.

Jimmy is not the sole reason for our success by any means, but he certainly is a positive contributor of that. Not just "along for the ride" and "being carried" by a defense and running game that was completely unable to do it when he wasn't around.

At this point, he's left as a free agent, and my hope is that this is a mutually beneficial solution for both sides - the 49ers can move on with someone they hope can take the reigns for the future (and with 2 young prospects in Trey Lance and Brock Purdy who have both shown promise in their own ways, there is certainly hope), and Jimmy can move on to a franchise and a coach that actually wants him where he won't have to look over his shoulder every step of the way. More important to me is how the 49ers move on from this. Neither Trey nor Brock are guaranteed to succeed long term. All the same people saying that we've seen enough from Brock are the same ones saying the 49ers paid Jimmy G off too small a sample size. Trey Lance has even less than that. It is not a guarantee that either one of them will even be as good as Jimmy G long term, let alone better. Despite what newly blowing trends are suggesting, there is also nothing to indicate that Trey Lance is going to end up being a bust either. My hope now is for one of those guys to take charge and make this team theirs.

Originally posted by tankle104:
Lol right, from the time I was in 2nd grade to graduating highschool, niners had like 0 winning seasons. I grew up in NorCal and they were a laughing stock. If you're 30 and younger, all you've seen is the worst team in the league a lot of seasons and 2 super bowl losses. I've only seen like 7 winning seasons of niner ball in my life.

i appreciate jimmy for helping us become a respectable organization and compete again. I love the way he represented the team too, great locker room guy. I'll always appreciate him. I hope Purdy can take the next step and give us that notch up play wise that we all desire.

Originally posted by Furlow:
GREAT post! Pin this to the top of the damn thread. For me, I'm 48 and I lived through the glory years of Montana and Young. But I am still level headed enough to know that each era is different, and each season is different. Teams do the best they can trying to build long term success while pushing for short term success. The game itself is a week to week deal, so that focus gets even tighter on a game by game basis. The point I'm making is we struck a very good balance between all of that with Jimmy as the QB; and I agree that running him out is a gamble. I do believe that Purdy is and will be better; and since he's much cheaper it's worth the gamble. BUT I am also extremely thankful for the years that Jimmy was here, and being able to be proud of our team, win more than we lost, and get really damn close to winning it all.

On the other end of the spectrum are fans who think that is "loser" mentality. That if you don't win the Super Bowl, the season was a waste. They would rather go 0-17 and have the first pick, just for the chance of the next generational QB. To me, THAT is loser mentality. Life (and sports) is about doing the best you can with what you've got. Results are just a byproduct of that hard work and sacrifice. These Niner teams the past few seasons are the epitome of that, as is Jimmy. It's been an honor to be a fan these past few seasons, and we have a lot to be proud of.

Originally posted by ItsX4Number6:
I don't either but when Jimmy is as successful as he is and you guys can't even offer him an ounce of praise, there's more to the story and y'all aren't being honest. Just as anybody that thinks Jimmy has no flaws. There are posters here with thousands of post and 99.999% are all negative. One guy here even wakes up every single morning to count down the days until he's gone. Now how is that not blatant haterism? Every...single... morning.

And the word hater here is slang outside of the dude who wakes up every morning as that's actual hatred but the rest I think are just slang haters as in. I don't think anyone outside of morning guy actually hate Jimmy. But slang wise they are haters.

Via urban dictionary...Again it's slang... I understand the urban dictionary has absolutely no uses outside of slang.

"A person that simply cannot be happy for another person's success. So rather than be happy they make a point of exposing a flaw in that person."

I get it. Jimmy is far from perfect. I agree that some give him tol much credit but guys like the morning guy can't even give him one iota of credit. Just like with Alex.

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by Franchise408:
Cop out response.

At this point, the people who watched Young are pushing 40, and the people who watched Montana are beyond that. We have an entire chunk of our fanbase that wasn't around for either one of those guys, let alone Brodie or Tittle. In my lifetime, Garoppolo is easily the best QB the 49ers have had since Garcia, and yes that includes even Harbaugh era Alex. I loved Alex Smith and felt he also got a raw deal here, but even at his peak under Harbaugh, he wasn't putting up the numbers that Jimmy was.

Jimmy G is the best QB this franchise has had in decades, and was a key contributing factor to the resurgence of the 49ers under Shanahan. Jimmy was not the only factor, by any means, and Jimmy is far from irreplaceable, and the franchise has made their decision to move on. We had better hope that Brock or Trey are worth it in the long run, because the franchise ran out a damned good QB over a case of "grass is greener". As a 49ers fan who is pushing 40 myself, and spent the majority of my fandom watching the franchise be bottom feeders, this is the 2nd time in a decade that the franchise has pushed out a good QB for the shinier toy. Last time, that shiner toy ended up being a far more incompetent option that tanked the franchise for nearly a decade. I certainly don't want to watch that happen again should Lance be a bust or Brock end up being a flash in the pan (neither of which I am saying will or won't happen. Neither one has enough experience under their belt to indicate one way or another)

My problem never has been the idea of replacing Jimmy G, my problem has always been the false narrative surrounding him (no, it's not just people who want a "notch above that can stay healthy". The entire narrative surrounding him is full blown hyperbole not supported by fact that continues to get fueled and pushed by the media) as well as the single track focus on running him out at all costs, no matter the expense to the rest of the team (i.e. trading away 3 1st round picks to get his replacement)

Jimmy is certainly upgradeable, but I have issue with a front office, a media, and a fanbase, that is so obsessed with blowing up something that has been so successful for us and returned this franchise to respectability after so long of being a bottom dweller. Not very many franchises, and not many QB's, have had more success in the league since Jimmy G came on board as the starter of the 49ers, and I am absolutely flabbergasted at the obsession with blowing that up.

Jimmy is not the sole reason for our success by any means, but he certainly is a positive contributor of that. Not just "along for the ride" and "being carried" by a defense and running game that was completely unable to do it when he wasn't around.

At this point, he's left as a free agent, and my hope is that this is a mutually beneficial solution for both sides - the 49ers can move on with someone they hope can take the reigns for the future (and with 2 young prospects in Trey Lance and Brock Purdy who have both shown promise in their own ways, there is certainly hope), and Jimmy can move on to a franchise and a coach that actually wants him where he won't have to look over his shoulder every step of the way. More important to me is how the 49ers move on from this. Neither Trey nor Brock are guaranteed to succeed long term. All the same people saying that we've seen enough from Brock are the same ones saying the 49ers paid Jimmy G off too small a sample size. Trey Lance has even less than that. It is not a guarantee that either one of them will even be as good as Jimmy G long term, let alone better. Despite what newly blowing trends are suggesting, there is also nothing to indicate that Trey Lance is going to end up being a bust either. My hope now is for one of those guys to take charge and make this team theirs.

Fair summary.

That's correct on Jimmy G for sure.

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by Franchise408:

Cop out response.

At this point, the people who watched Young are pushing 40, and the people who watched Montana are beyond that. We have an entire chunk of our fanbase that wasn't around for either one of those guys, let alone Brodie or Tittle. In my lifetime, Garoppolo is easily the best QB the 49ers have had since Garcia, and yes that includes even Harbaugh era Alex. I loved Alex Smith and felt he also got a raw deal here, but even at his peak under Harbaugh, he wasn't putting up the numbers that Jimmy was.

Jimmy G is the best QB this franchise has had in decades, and was a key contributing factor to the resurgence of the 49ers under Shanahan. Jimmy was not the only factor, by any means, and Jimmy is far from irreplaceable, and the franchise has made their decision to move on. We had better hope that Brock or Trey are worth it in the long run, because the franchise ran out a damned good QB over a case of "grass is greener". As a 49ers fan who is pushing 40 myself, and spent the majority of my fandom watching the franchise be bottom feeders, this is the 2nd time in a decade that the franchise has pushed out a good QB for the shinier toy. Last time, that shiner toy ended up being a far more incompetent option that tanked the franchise for nearly a decade. I certainly don't want to watch that happen again should Lance be a bust or Brock end up being a flash in the pan (neither of which I am saying will or won't happen. Neither one has enough experience under their belt to indicate one way or another)

My problem never has been the idea of replacing Jimmy G, my problem has always been the false narrative surrounding him (no, it's not just people who want a "notch above that can stay healthy". The entire narrative surrounding him is full blown hyperbole not supported by fact that continues to get fueled and pushed by the media) as well as the single track focus on running him out at all costs, no matter the expense to the rest of the team (i.e. trading away 3 1st round picks to get his replacement)

Jimmy is certainly upgradeable, but I have issue with a front office, a media, and a fanbase, that is so obsessed with blowing up something that has been so successful for us and returned this franchise to respectability after so long of being a bottom dweller. Not very many franchises, and not many QB's, have had more success in the league since Jimmy G came on board as the starter of the 49ers, and I am absolutely flabbergasted at the obsession with blowing that up.

Jimmy is not the sole reason for our success by any means, but he certainly is a positive contributor of that. Not just "along for the ride" and "being carried" by a defense and running game that was completely unable to do it when he wasn't around.

At this point, he's left as a free agent, and my hope is that this is a mutually beneficial solution for both sides - the 49ers can move on with someone they hope can take the reigns for the future (and with 2 young prospects in Trey Lance and Brock Purdy who have both shown promise in their own ways, there is certainly hope), and Jimmy can move on to a franchise and a coach that actually wants him where he won't have to look over his shoulder every step of the way. More important to me is how the 49ers move on from this. Neither Trey nor Brock are guaranteed to succeed long term. All the same people saying that we've seen enough from Brock are the same ones saying the 49ers paid Jimmy G off too small a sample size. Trey Lance has even less than that. It is not a guarantee that either one of them will even be as good as Jimmy G long term, let alone better. Despite what newly blowing trends are suggesting, there is also nothing to indicate that Trey Lance is going to end up being a bust either. My hope now is for one of those guys to take charge and make this team theirs.

Fair summary.

That's correct on Jimmy G for sure.

No lies detected

If he turns out to be better with the raiders does that change the narrative and or fan opinion of Kyle being an offensive genius?

Or is he still a genius just a QB killer?

Originally posted by BoldRedandGold:

If he turns out to be better with the raiders does that change the narrative and or fan opinion of Kyle being an offensive genius?

Or is he still a genius just a QB killer?

In this scenario are we also failing?

If we're failing yes narrative on Kyle will change fast. If we're doing well all it proves is both are good.