Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Los Angeles Rams

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by tankle104:
I'll never understand the hate for jimmy. Best QB we've had since Garcia and helped lead us to a lot of wins. Handled all the outside noise as well as anyone ever has. Class act (except the random old porn star banging hahahah). Top 10-12 qb in the league consistently, great on third down, very efficient, excellent locker room guy. He had his limitations but we could of been a lot worse off.

i wish the guy nothing but the best, unless he's playing the 49ers, of course. Haha

there's no hate.. but those limitations you talked about is why he isn't here anymore

There's no hate, could've fooled me the past few years. WTF was that then tough love. I don't think so. The main reason he's not here anymore which I don't know how anyone could disagree with is availability. If Jimmy stayed healthy since 2017 there would be no Trey Lance and Brock Purdy. But that's all past us now, moving on!!!!

the hate was more of poster vs poster with jimmy being the pawn

There's a difference between hate and criticism. Unfortunately too many people can't tell the difference.

Would you say that people who said he sucks, is only a backup, and isn't worth a bag of chips is hate or criticism?

I see people use terms like that all the time but they're really expressing disappointment as much as anything else. We have posters that say this or that player sucks when they really mean he's not a pro bowler or as good as they want. Some expect perfection at every position. Most people that weren't Jimmy fans didn't hate him They just wanted someone a notch above that could stay healthy. That's what happens when you get spoiled by having back to back HOF QBs. Jimmy would have been the best QB in 70 years for the Bears. For theNiners he was maybe the 6th best in that span behind Montana, Young, Garcia, Brodie and Tittle. Alex Smith was probably as good or better but he never had the benefit of playing under a good coach until Harbaugh came along.

The bolded is the EXACT proof that Jimmy was "hated" rather than "criticized" unfairly. To dismiss the irrational BS that was spewed on this forum and in the media towards him as merely "criticism" is extremely disingenuous.

I think people are once again missing my point here. Jimmy would have been considered a much better QB with many franchises but when you play for one that won so many SBs and had a lot of great QBs, it's hard to live up to that. How's any QB gong to live up to the standard that Brady set in NE no matter how good he is. GN is similar. From Bart Starr to Favre to Rodger. Hard act to follow. If JG had lead the team to a couple of SB wins he would be viewed differently I'm sure but that's the standard that fans expect. I neve rhad any hate for Jimmy. In fact I had high hopes for him like any of you but after a couple of years I realized that he was good but we could do better. That's always the goal for every team. Get better at every position if you can.

I saw a lot of posts about Purdy that said he was an upgrade over Jimmy. He looked great for those 7 or 8 games but I want to see how he's doing in 2 or 3 years. Then we can see if he was really an upgrade. Jimmy's gone to the raiders and I wish him well. If he can stay healthy he may do okay but that's a division with a lot of talent and his O line there isn't great. I expect his numbers will be similar to what he did in SF.

Sounds like you're making excuses for irrational fans who have "standards" that are illogical and emotional.

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by tankle104:
I'll never understand the hate for jimmy. Best QB we've had since Garcia and helped lead us to a lot of wins. Handled all the outside noise as well as anyone ever has. Class act (except the random old porn star banging hahahah). Top 10-12 qb in the league consistently, great on third down, very efficient, excellent locker room guy. He had his limitations but we could of been a lot worse off.

i wish the guy nothing but the best, unless he's playing the 49ers, of course. Haha

there's no hate.. but those limitations you talked about is why he isn't here anymore

There's no hate, could've fooled me the past few years. WTF was that then tough love. I don't think so. The main reason he's not here anymore which I don't know how anyone could disagree with is availability. If Jimmy stayed healthy since 2017 there would be no Trey Lance and Brock Purdy. But that's all past us now, moving on!!!!

the hate was more of poster vs poster with jimmy being the pawn

There's a difference between hate and criticism. Unfortunately too many people can't tell the difference.

Would you say that people who said he sucks, is only a backup, and isn't worth a bag of chips is hate or criticism?

I see people use terms like that all the time but they're really expressing disappointment as much as anything else. We have posters that say this or that player sucks when they really mean he's not a pro bowler or as good as they want. Some expect perfection at every position. Most people that weren't Jimmy fans didn't hate him They just wanted someone a notch above that could stay healthy. That's what happens when you get spoiled by having back to back HOF QBs. Jimmy would have been the best QB in 70 years for the Bears. For theNiners he was maybe the 6th best in that span behind Montana, Young, Garcia, Brodie and Tittle. Alex Smith was probably as good or better but he never had the benefit of playing under a good coach until Harbaugh came along.

The bolded is the EXACT proof that Jimmy was "hated" rather than "criticized" unfairly. To dismiss the irrational BS that was spewed on this forum and in the media towards him as merely "criticism" is extremely disingenuous.

I think people are once again missing my point here. Jimmy would have been considered a much better QB with many franchises but when you play for one that won so many SBs and had a lot of great QBs, it's hard to live up to that. How's any QB gong to live up to the standard that Brady set in NE no matter how good he is. GN is similar. From Bart Starr to Favre to Rodger. Hard act to follow. If JG had lead the team to a couple of SB wins he would be viewed differently I'm sure but that's the standard that fans expect. I neve rhad any hate for Jimmy. In fact I had high hopes for him like any of you but after a couple of years I realized that he was good but we could do better. That's always the goal for every team. Get better at every position if you can.

I saw a lot of posts about Purdy that said he was an upgrade over Jimmy. He looked great for those 7 or 8 games but I want to see how he's doing in 2 or 3 years. Then we can see if he was really an upgrade. Jimmy's gone to the raiders and I wish him well. If he can stay healthy he may do okay but that's a division with a lot of talent and his O line there isn't great. I expect his numbers will be similar to what he did in SF.

Sounds like you're making excuses for irrational fans who have "standards" that are illogical and emotional.

Not making excuses. That's just the way it is. People don't make decisions based on ration. They typically base it on emotion. Fans love and hate from game to game. go back and read the posts from this past season. The Niners were SB bound then they had no chance of making the playoffs. Then they go on a winning streak and it's SB again. It's the nature of every fan base to live game to game.

As far as irrational standards goes, there's nothing wrong with having high standards. The Niners of the 80s and the Patriots during the Brady era had high standards. SB or bust. Nothing else was acceptable. It should be that way for every team and every fan base unless you're rebuilding.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by tankle104:
I'll never understand the hate for jimmy. Best QB we've had since Garcia and helped lead us to a lot of wins. Handled all the outside noise as well as anyone ever has. Class act (except the random old porn star banging hahahah). Top 10-12 qb in the league consistently, great on third down, very efficient, excellent locker room guy. He had his limitations but we could of been a lot worse off.

i wish the guy nothing but the best, unless he's playing the 49ers, of course. Haha

there's no hate.. but those limitations you talked about is why he isn't here anymore

There's no hate, could've fooled me the past few years. WTF was that then tough love. I don't think so. The main reason he's not here anymore which I don't know how anyone could disagree with is availability. If Jimmy stayed healthy since 2017 there would be no Trey Lance and Brock Purdy. But that's all past us now, moving on!!!!

the hate was more of poster vs poster with jimmy being the pawn

There's a difference between hate and criticism. Unfortunately too many people can't tell the difference.

Would you say that people who said he sucks, is only a backup, and isn't worth a bag of chips is hate or criticism?

I see people use terms like that all the time but they're really expressing disappointment as much as anything else. We have posters that say this or that player sucks when they really mean he's not a pro bowler or as good as they want. Some expect perfection at every position. Most people that weren't Jimmy fans didn't hate him They just wanted someone a notch above that could stay healthy. That's what happens when you get spoiled by having back to back HOF QBs. Jimmy would have been the best QB in 70 years for the Bears. For theNiners he was maybe the 6th best in that span behind Montana, Young, Garcia, Brodie and Tittle. Alex Smith was probably as good or better but he never had the benefit of playing under a good coach until Harbaugh came along.

The bolded is the EXACT proof that Jimmy was "hated" rather than "criticized" unfairly. To dismiss the irrational BS that was spewed on this forum and in the media towards him as merely "criticism" is extremely disingenuous.

I think people are once again missing my point here. Jimmy would have been considered a much better QB with many franchises but when you play for one that won so many SBs and had a lot of great QBs, it's hard to live up to that. How's any QB gong to live up to the standard that Brady set in NE no matter how good he is. GN is similar. From Bart Starr to Favre to Rodger. Hard act to follow. If JG had lead the team to a couple of SB wins he would be viewed differently I'm sure but that's the standard that fans expect. I neve rhad any hate for Jimmy. In fact I had high hopes for him like any of you but after a couple of years I realized that he was good but we could do better. That's always the goal for every team. Get better at every position if you can.

I saw a lot of posts about Purdy that said he was an upgrade over Jimmy. He looked great for those 7 or 8 games but I want to see how he's doing in 2 or 3 years. Then we can see if he was really an upgrade. Jimmy's gone to the raiders and I wish him well. If he can stay healthy he may do okay but that's a division with a lot of talent and his O line there isn't great. I expect his numbers will be similar to what he did in SF.

Sounds like you're making excuses for irrational fans who have "standards" that are illogical and emotional.

Not making excuses. That's just the way it is. People don't make decisions based on ration. They typically base it on emotion. Fans love and hate from game to game. go back and read the posts from this past season. The Niners were SB bound then they had no chance of making the playoffs. Then they go on a winning streak and it's SB again. It's the nature of every fan base to live game to game.

As far as irrational standards goes, there's nothing wrong with having high standards. The Niners of the 80s and the Patriots during the Brady era had high standards. SB or bust. Nothing else was acceptable. It should be that way for every team and every fan base unless you're rebuilding.

You're all over the place. I responded to you because you said that "there's a difference between hate and criticism. Unfortunately too many people can't tell the difference." And now you're going on and on about why it's okay for fans to be emotional and hate players when their teams don't win it all; especially teams like the 49ers and Patriots.

Whether one thinks it's justified or not, it is CLEAR that 49ers fans have a VERY high standard for QB play. Anything short of Joe Montana or Steve Young, and certain fans trash the QB. You say "that's just the way it is." Well yes, some human beings are overly emotional, never grow out of adolescent thought processes, and make illogical decisions in all facets of their lives (so sports is no different). That still doesn't justify hateful rhetoric nor does it qualify as "criticism" as you and others try and put it.

We're simply calling a spade a spade - there ARE fans who literally hate Jimmy and fans who are haters (the slang version) of Jimmy. There is no need to defend them, they come in daily and do it themselves. And they will continue to do so, even though they say they don't like Jimmy and couldn't wait for him to be gone and this thread out of Niner Talk. The hypocrisy is comedic at this point.

Originally posted by BoldRedandGold:
If he turns out to be better with the raiders does that change the narrative and or fan opinion of Kyle being an offensive genius?

Or is he still a genius just a QB killer?

I see what you will be rooting for next season. How productive.

Originally posted by Furlow:
You're all over the place. I responded to you because you said that "there's a difference between hate and criticism. Unfortunately too many people can't tell the difference." And now you're going on and on about why it's okay for fans to be emotional and hate players when their teams don't win it all; especially teams like the 49ers and Patriots.

Whether one thinks it's justified or not, it is CLEAR that 49ers fans have a VERY high standard for QB play. Anything short of Joe Montana or Steve Young, and certain fans trash the QB. You say "that's just the way it is." Well yes, some human beings are overly emotional, never grow out of adolescent thought processes, and make illogical decisions in all facets of their lives (so sports is no different). That still doesn't justify hateful rhetoric nor does it qualify as "criticism" as you and others try and put it.

We're simply calling a spade a spade - there ARE fans who literally hate Jimmy and fans who are haters (the slang version) of Jimmy. There is no need to defend them, they come in daily and do it themselves. And they will continue to do so, even though they say they don't like Jimmy and couldn't wait for him to be gone and this thread out of Niner Talk. The hypocrisy is comedic at this point.

Just like in the Trey thread. Yet no Furlow posts.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
I see what you will be rooting for next season. How productive.

You gotta admit a 49ers Raiders Super Bowl would be pretty epic right about now I'd take it

Furlow batting .1000

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
You gotta admit a 49ers Raiders Super Bowl would be pretty epic right about now I'd take it

Chances of that are extremely low and that has nothing to do with Jimmy.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
You gotta admit a 49ers Raiders Super Bowl would be pretty epic right about now I'd take it

Chances of that are extremely low and that has nothing to do with Jimmy.

Yup.. but would be a tasty matchup and it would mean Niners in the SB

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by Furlow:
You're all over the place. I responded to you because you said that "there's a difference between hate and criticism. Unfortunately too many people can't tell the difference." And now you're going on and on about why it's okay for fans to be emotional and hate players when their teams don't win it all; especially teams like the 49ers and Patriots.

Whether one thinks it's justified or not, it is CLEAR that 49ers fans have a VERY high standard for QB play. Anything short of Joe Montana or Steve Young, and certain fans trash the QB. You say "that's just the way it is." Well yes, some human beings are overly emotional, never grow out of adolescent thought processes, and make illogical decisions in all facets of their lives (so sports is no different). That still doesn't justify hateful rhetoric nor does it qualify as "criticism" as you and others try and put it.

We're simply calling a spade a spade - there ARE fans who literally hate Jimmy and fans who are haters (the slang version) of Jimmy. There is no need to defend them, they come in daily and do it themselves. And they will continue to do so, even though they say they don't like Jimmy and couldn't wait for him to be gone and this thread out of Niner Talk. The hypocrisy is comedic at this point.

Just like in the Trey thread. Yet no Furlow posts.

Haha...the hiding post-trade is epic. Feelings all over the place but no one here hates or hated Jimmy.

Although many here hated the fact that posters like him made the thread uncivil when others simply shared alternative opinions of him? Why hide from what the true topic was throughout this thread? Because ahhh,...that's all it was. It was never about Jimmy the person.

It's far too late in the game to play the good cop all of a sudden. No one's falling for it.

And then we have "For all the success he's had" someone else said above. Honestly? I saw a team that had plenty of success,....I didn't see a QB that had the same. On the field he's a guy that got by doing his job.

Every offseason, danced to the beat of his drum with contract-in-hand, no matter how much it may have drove KS crazy. What if he had gave more effort while in the building one of those offseasons? Who knows.

The negatives balanced out with the superlatives to make an average NFL QB,... and one that was woefully below average come playoff time. This is what the market chose to pay him as after even his best season.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by Furlow:
You're all over the place. I responded to you because you said that "there's a difference between hate and criticism. Unfortunately too many people can't tell the difference." And now you're going on and on about why it's okay for fans to be emotional and hate players when their teams don't win it all; especially teams like the 49ers and Patriots.

Whether one thinks it's justified or not, it is CLEAR that 49ers fans have a VERY high standard for QB play. Anything short of Joe Montana or Steve Young, and certain fans trash the QB. You say "that's just the way it is." Well yes, some human beings are overly emotional, never grow out of adolescent thought processes, and make illogical decisions in all facets of their lives (so sports is no different). That still doesn't justify hateful rhetoric nor does it qualify as "criticism" as you and others try and put it.

We're simply calling a spade a spade - there ARE fans who literally hate Jimmy and fans who are haters (the slang version) of Jimmy. There is no need to defend them, they come in daily and do it themselves. And they will continue to do so, even though they say they don't like Jimmy and couldn't wait for him to be gone and this thread out of Niner Talk. The hypocrisy is comedic at this point.

Just like in the Trey thread. Yet no Furlow posts.

I have 485 posts in the Trey thread; he has 4 starts so that's 121 posts per start. I have 2,019 posts in the Jimmy thread; he has 55 starts for the Niners so that's 37 posts per start. Hell you only have 672 posts in the Trey thread so let's not pretend you're in there daily defending him.

I also got a three month timeout last season for going off on someone who was talking badly about Trey.

So you can save your BS regarding Trey. Trey doesn't deserve the hate he gets, as he's barely had a chance to play. But because he's barely played, there isn't a lot to defend about his game.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by Furlow:
You're all over the place. I responded to you because you said that "there's a difference between hate and criticism. Unfortunately too many people can't tell the difference." And now you're going on and on about why it's okay for fans to be emotional and hate players when their teams don't win it all; especially teams like the 49ers and Patriots.

Whether one thinks it's justified or not, it is CLEAR that 49ers fans have a VERY high standard for QB play. Anything short of Joe Montana or Steve Young, and certain fans trash the QB. You say "that's just the way it is." Well yes, some human beings are overly emotional, never grow out of adolescent thought processes, and make illogical decisions in all facets of their lives (so sports is no different). That still doesn't justify hateful rhetoric nor does it qualify as "criticism" as you and others try and put it.

We're simply calling a spade a spade - there ARE fans who literally hate Jimmy and fans who are haters (the slang version) of Jimmy. There is no need to defend them, they come in daily and do it themselves. And they will continue to do so, even though they say they don't like Jimmy and couldn't wait for him to be gone and this thread out of Niner Talk. The hypocrisy is comedic at this point.

Just like in the Trey thread. Yet no Furlow posts.

Haha...the hiding post-trade is epic. Feelings all over the place but no one here hates or hated Jimmy.

Although many here hated the fact that posters like him made the thread uncivil when posters simply shared alternative opinions of him. It's far too late in the game to play the good cop all of a sudden. No one's falling for it.

And then we have "For all the success he's had" someone else said above. Honestly? I saw a team that had plenty of success,....I didn't see a QB that had the same. On the field he's a guy that got by doing his job.

Every offseason, danced to the beat of his drum with contract-in-hand, no matter how much it may have drove KS crazy. What if he had gave more effort while in the building one of those offseasons? Who knows.

The negatives balanced out with the superlatives to make an average NFL QB,... and one that was woefully below average come playoff time. This is what the market chose to pay him as after even his best season.

"Simply shared alternative opinions of him." I suppose blaming Jimmy for clear drops by WR's could be skewed as an "alternative opinion." To me and most, those are clearly hateful statements only intended to incite and troll. Same with saying he's only a backup, not worth a bag of chips, etc.

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by Furlow:
You're all over the place. I responded to you because you said that "there's a difference between hate and criticism. Unfortunately too many people can't tell the difference." And now you're going on and on about why it's okay for fans to be emotional and hate players when their teams don't win it all; especially teams like the 49ers and Patriots.

Whether one thinks it's justified or not, it is CLEAR that 49ers fans have a VERY high standard for QB play. Anything short of Joe Montana or Steve Young, and certain fans trash the QB. You say "that's just the way it is." Well yes, some human beings are overly emotional, never grow out of adolescent thought processes, and make illogical decisions in all facets of their lives (so sports is no different). That still doesn't justify hateful rhetoric nor does it qualify as "criticism" as you and others try and put it.

We're simply calling a spade a spade - there ARE fans who literally hate Jimmy and fans who are haters (the slang version) of Jimmy. There is no need to defend them, they come in daily and do it themselves. And they will continue to do so, even though they say they don't like Jimmy and couldn't wait for him to be gone and this thread out of Niner Talk. The hypocrisy is comedic at this point.

Just like in the Trey thread. Yet no Furlow posts.

Haha...the hiding post-trade is epic. Feelings all over the place but no one here hates or hated Jimmy.

Although many here hated the fact that posters like him made the thread uncivil when posters simply shared alternative opinions of him. It's far too late in the game to play the good cop all of a sudden. No one's falling for it.

And then we have "For all the success he's had" someone else said above. Honestly? I saw a team that had plenty of success,....I didn't see a QB that had the same. On the field he's a guy that got by doing his job.

Every offseason, danced to the beat of his drum with contract-in-hand, no matter how much it may have drove KS crazy. What if he had gave more effort while in the building one of those offseasons? Who knows.

The negatives balanced out with the superlatives to make an average NFL QB,... and one that was woefully below average come playoff time. This is what the market chose to pay him as after even his best season.

"Simply shared alternative opinions of him." I suppose blaming Jimmy for clear drops by WR's could be skewed as an "alternative opinion." To me and most, those are clearly hateful statements only intended to incite and troll. Same with saying he's only a backup, not worth a bag of chips, etc.

You've finally came out of hiding,....welcome aboard.

And yes,....this thread was extremely hostile with timeouts and temporary bannings for posters that simply held their ground (since our the 1st SB run) that -- surrounded by a good team -- he wasn't the answer, and was being overrated by our fans.

And although it's been proven before in multiple ways that this was the case,....we finally have definitive proof of such from all 32 teams: you were wrong all along.

Even skipping that silly Josh Allen storyline after he had a bad game,...lol,.....you said he's better/equal to Carr and he'd easily get more money than Geno, but even given the help of Geno not being able to hit the open market, that didn't happen.

In the NFL starter category -- even after his best season and in his prime -- he's average.

Serviceable,....not at all a difference maker, but give him a good defense and the right pieces and so long as we're not talking playoff performance, you've got a chance at a great season.

And when I say "you've", I mean your team, not him. Because he's not anything close to a great player.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by Furlow:
You're all over the place. I responded to you because you said that "there's a difference between hate and criticism. Unfortunately too many people can't tell the difference." And now you're going on and on about why it's okay for fans to be emotional and hate players when their teams don't win it all; especially teams like the 49ers and Patriots.

Whether one thinks it's justified or not, it is CLEAR that 49ers fans have a VERY high standard for QB play. Anything short of Joe Montana or Steve Young, and certain fans trash the QB. You say "that's just the way it is." Well yes, some human beings are overly emotional, never grow out of adolescent thought processes, and make illogical decisions in all facets of their lives (so sports is no different). That still doesn't justify hateful rhetoric nor does it qualify as "criticism" as you and others try and put it.

We're simply calling a spade a spade - there ARE fans who literally hate Jimmy and fans who are haters (the slang version) of Jimmy. There is no need to defend them, they come in daily and do it themselves. And they will continue to do so, even though they say they don't like Jimmy and couldn't wait for him to be gone and this thread out of Niner Talk. The hypocrisy is comedic at this point.

Just like in the Trey thread. Yet no Furlow posts.

Haha...the hiding post-trade is epic. Feelings all over the place but no one here hates or hated Jimmy.

Although many here hated the fact that posters like him made the thread uncivil when posters simply shared alternative opinions of him. It's far too late in the game to play the good cop all of a sudden. No one's falling for it.

And then we have "For all the success he's had" someone else said above. Honestly? I saw a team that had plenty of success,....I didn't see a QB that had the same. On the field he's a guy that got by doing his job.

Every offseason, danced to the beat of his drum with contract-in-hand, no matter how much it may have drove KS crazy. What if he had gave more effort while in the building one of those offseasons? Who knows.

The negatives balanced out with the superlatives to make an average NFL QB,... and one that was woefully below average come playoff time. This is what the market chose to pay him as after even his best season.

"Simply shared alternative opinions of him." I suppose blaming Jimmy for clear drops by WR's could be skewed as an "alternative opinion." To me and most, those are clearly hateful statements only intended to incite and troll. Same with saying he's only a backup, not worth a bag of chips, etc.

You've finally came out of hiding,....welcome aboard.

And yes,....this thread was extremely hostile with timeouts and temporary bannings for posters that simply held their ground (since our the 1st SB run) that -- surrounded by a good team -- he wasn't the answer, and was being overrated by our fans.

And although it's been proven before in multiple ways that this was the case,....we finally have definitive proof of such from all 32 teams: you were wrong all along.

You said he's better/equal to Carr and he'd easily get more money than Geno, but even given the help of Geo not being able to hit the open market, that didn't happen.

In the NFL starter category -- even after his best season and in his prime -- he's average.

Serviceable,....not at all a difference maker, but give him a good defense and the right pieces and so long as we're not talking playoff performance, you've got a chance at a great season.

Lol remember when you were saying that win/losses are not on a QB but insisted QBR was made to judge a QBs impact. Then when it was pointed out that Jimmy had one of the best you moved the goalposts?

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by Furlow:
You're all over the place. I responded to you because you said that "there's a difference between hate and criticism. Unfortunately too many people can't tell the difference." And now you're going on and on about why it's okay for fans to be emotional and hate players when their teams don't win it all; especially teams like the 49ers and Patriots.

Whether one thinks it's justified or not, it is CLEAR that 49ers fans have a VERY high standard for QB play. Anything short of Joe Montana or Steve Young, and certain fans trash the QB. You say "that's just the way it is." Well yes, some human beings are overly emotional, never grow out of adolescent thought processes, and make illogical decisions in all facets of their lives (so sports is no different). That still doesn't justify hateful rhetoric nor does it qualify as "criticism" as you and others try and put it.

We're simply calling a spade a spade - there ARE fans who literally hate Jimmy and fans who are haters (the slang version) of Jimmy. There is no need to defend them, they come in daily and do it themselves. And they will continue to do so, even though they say they don't like Jimmy and couldn't wait for him to be gone and this thread out of Niner Talk. The hypocrisy is comedic at this point.

Just like in the Trey thread. Yet no Furlow posts.

Haha...the hiding post-trade is epic. Feelings all over the place but no one here hates or hated Jimmy.

Although many here hated the fact that posters like him made the thread uncivil when posters simply shared alternative opinions of him. It's far too late in the game to play the good cop all of a sudden. No one's falling for it.

And then we have "For all the success he's had" someone else said above. Honestly? I saw a team that had plenty of success,....I didn't see a QB that had the same. On the field he's a guy that got by doing his job.

Every offseason, danced to the beat of his drum with contract-in-hand, no matter how much it may have drove KS crazy. What if he had gave more effort while in the building one of those offseasons? Who knows.

The negatives balanced out with the superlatives to make an average NFL QB,... and one that was woefully below average come playoff time. This is what the market chose to pay him as after even his best season.

"Simply shared alternative opinions of him." I suppose blaming Jimmy for clear drops by WR's could be skewed as an "alternative opinion." To me and most, those are clearly hateful statements only intended to incite and troll. Same with saying he's only a backup, not worth a bag of chips, etc.

You've finally came out of hiding,....welcome aboard.

And yes,....this thread was extremely hostile with timeouts and temporary bannings for posters that simply held their ground (since our the 1st SB run) that -- surrounded by a good team -- he wasn't the answer, and was being overrated by our fans.

And although it's been proven before in multiple ways that this was the case,....we finally have definitive proof fof such from all 32 teams: you were wrong all along.

You said he's better/equal to Carr and he'd easily get more money than Geno, but even given the help of Geo not being able to hit the open market, that didn't happen.

In the NFL starter category -- even after his best season and in his prime -- he's average.

Not hiding, simply ignoring. But nice attempt to incite, per usual.

"Extremely hostile?" Lol. I can think of a lot of things more "hostile" than a football message board, but I guess everyone has different levels of emotional strength.

He is better than Carr, WHEN HEALTHY. And he's definitely better than Geno, WHEN HEALTHY. This was his best season, WHEN HEALTHY.

For teams thinking of signing him, his health was/is a concern. That certainly factored into what he was paid. Which ironically is a hell of a lot more than backup money, a bag of chips, and all of the other nonsense that the Jimmy haters said he was worth.