Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Los Angeles Rams

Originally posted by ItsX4Number6:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by Furlow:
You're all over the place. I responded to you because you said that "there's a difference between hate and criticism. Unfortunately too many people can't tell the difference." And now you're going on and on about why it's okay for fans to be emotional and hate players when their teams don't win it all; especially teams like the 49ers and Patriots.

Whether one thinks it's justified or not, it is CLEAR that 49ers fans have a VERY high standard for QB play. Anything short of Joe Montana or Steve Young, and certain fans trash the QB. You say "that's just the way it is." Well yes, some human beings are overly emotional, never grow out of adolescent thought processes, and make illogical decisions in all facets of their lives (so sports is no different). That still doesn't justify hateful rhetoric nor does it qualify as "criticism" as you and others try and put it.

We're simply calling a spade a spade - there ARE fans who literally hate Jimmy and fans who are haters (the slang version) of Jimmy. There is no need to defend them, they come in daily and do it themselves. And they will continue to do so, even though they say they don't like Jimmy and couldn't wait for him to be gone and this thread out of Niner Talk. The hypocrisy is comedic at this point.

Just like in the Trey thread. Yet no Furlow posts.

Haha...the hiding post-trade is epic. Feelings all over the place but no one here hates or hated Jimmy.

Although many here hated the fact that posters like him made the thread uncivil when posters simply shared alternative opinions of him. It's far too late in the game to play the good cop all of a sudden. No one's falling for it.

And then we have "For all the success he's had" someone else said above. Honestly? I saw a team that had plenty of success,....I didn't see a QB that had the same. On the field he's a guy that got by doing his job.

Every offseason, danced to the beat of his drum with contract-in-hand, no matter how much it may have drove KS crazy. What if he had gave more effort while in the building one of those offseasons? Who knows.

The negatives balanced out with the superlatives to make an average NFL QB,... and one that was woefully below average come playoff time. This is what the market chose to pay him as after even his best season.

"Simply shared alternative opinions of him." I suppose blaming Jimmy for clear drops by WR's could be skewed as an "alternative opinion." To me and most, those are clearly hateful statements only intended to incite and troll. Same with saying he's only a backup, not worth a bag of chips, etc.

You've finally came out of hiding,....welcome aboard.

And yes,....this thread was extremely hostile with timeouts and temporary bannings for posters that simply held their ground (since our the 1st SB run) that -- surrounded by a good team -- he wasn't the answer, and was being overrated by our fans.

And although it's been proven before in multiple ways that this was the case,....we finally have definitive proof of such from all 32 teams: you were wrong all along.

You said he's better/equal to Carr and he'd easily get more money than Geno, but even given the help of Geo not being able to hit the open market, that didn't happen.

In the NFL starter category -- even after his best season and in his prime -- he's average.

Serviceable,....not at all a difference maker, but give him a good defense and the right pieces and so long as we're not talking playoff performance, you've got a chance at a great season.

Lol remember when you were saying that win/losses are not on a QB but insisted QBR was made to judge a QBs impact. Then when it was pointed out that Jimmy had one of the best you moved the goalposts?

He is the KING of moving goal posts.

Originally posted by ItsX4Number6:
Lol remember when you were saying that win/losses are not on a QB....

On any given play, NFL teams have 22 players on the field at once. What's more is 1 slip-up from any of the 22 players can completely swing a game's outcome.

Given this and the barebone facts, W-L Record is a Team stat,....not a QB stat.

W-L record as a starting QB is certainly something I don't being discussed, though, given the chance that we're going to not leave out the details of -- you know -- the other 21 starters he played with in any given season?

The point is let's stop the misrepresentation: just as in soccer, W-L record refers to a team, not a QB. No player in the NFL has ever been 13-3 for a season, because it doesn't make sense.

If W-L record (winning %) for a QB was really what it was pumped up to be here for maybe 5% of the pages in the thread (Woo anyone?),....Jimmy has $150M GTD to Carr's $100M.

AGAIN,....another case w/definitive evidence that 32 NFL teams wholistically disagree with a crazy conspiracy theory that ran rampant in this thread.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by ItsX4Number6:
Lol remember when you were saying that win/losses are not on a QB....

On any given play, NFL teams have 22 players on the field at once. What's more is 1 slip-up from any of the 22 players can completely swing a game's outcome.

Given this and the barebone facts, W-L Record is a Team stat,....not a QB stat.

W-L record as a starting QB is certainly something I don't being discussed, though, given the chance that we're going to not leave out the details of -- you know -- the other 21 starters he played with in any given season?

The point is let's stop the misrepresentation: just as in soccer, W-L record refers to a team, not a QB. No player in the NFL has ever been 13-3 for a season, because it doesn't make sense.

If W-L record (winning %) for a QB was really what it was pumped up to be here for maybe 5% of the pages in the thread (Woo anyone?),....Jimmy has $150M GTD to Carr's $100M.

AGAIN,....definitive evidence that 32 NFL teams wholistically disagree with yet another crazy conspiracy theory that ran rampant in this thread.

QB W/L is one of many stats and factors that play into a QB's level of success and how he's viewed by the league. Your posts tend to minimize arguments into tiny little boxes and then only discuss one box at a time, but QB play/value is more complicated than that.

Originally posted by ItsX4Number6:
And the word hater here is slang outside of the dude who wakes up every morning as that's actual hatred but the rest I think are just slang haters as in. I don't think anyone outside of morning guy actually hate Jimmy. But slang wise they are haters.

Via urban dictionary...Again it's slang... I understand the urban dictionary has absolutely no uses outside of slang.

"A person that simply cannot be happy for another person's success. So rather than be happy they make a point of exposing a flaw in that person."

I get it. Jimmy is far from perfect. I agree that some give him too much credit but guys like the morning guy can't even give him one iota of credit. Just like with Alex.

For those that keep saying "none of us hate Jimmy. We don't know him personally."

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Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by Furlow:
You're all over the place. I responded to you because you said that "there's a difference between hate and criticism. Unfortunately too many people can't tell the difference." And now you're going on and on about why it's okay for fans to be emotional and hate players when their teams don't win it all; especially teams like the 49ers and Patriots.

Whether one thinks it's justified or not, it is CLEAR that 49ers fans have a VERY high standard for QB play. Anything short of Joe Montana or Steve Young, and certain fans trash the QB. You say "that's just the way it is." Well yes, some human beings are overly emotional, never grow out of adolescent thought processes, and make illogical decisions in all facets of their lives (so sports is no different). That still doesn't justify hateful rhetoric nor does it qualify as "criticism" as you and others try and put it.

We're simply calling a spade a spade - there ARE fans who literally hate Jimmy and fans who are haters (the slang version) of Jimmy. There is no need to defend them, they come in daily and do it themselves. And they will continue to do so, even though they say they don't like Jimmy and couldn't wait for him to be gone and this thread out of Niner Talk. The hypocrisy is comedic at this point.

Just like in the Trey thread. Yet no Furlow posts.

Haha...the hiding post-trade is epic. Feelings all over the place but no one here hates or hated Jimmy.

Although many here hated the fact that posters like him made the thread uncivil when posters simply shared alternative opinions of him. It's far too late in the game to play the good cop all of a sudden. No one's falling for it.

And then we have "For all the success he's had" someone else said above. Honestly? I saw a team that had plenty of success,....I didn't see a QB that had the same. On the field he's a guy that got by doing his job.

Every offseason, danced to the beat of his drum with contract-in-hand, no matter how much it may have drove KS crazy. What if he had gave more effort while in the building one of those offseasons? Who knows.

The negatives balanced out with the superlatives to make an average NFL QB,... and one that was woefully below average come playoff time. This is what the market chose to pay him as after even his best season.

"Simply shared alternative opinions of him." I suppose blaming Jimmy for clear drops by WR's could be skewed as an "alternative opinion." To me and most, those are clearly hateful statements only intended to incite and troll. Same with saying he's only a backup, not worth a bag of chips, etc.

You've finally came out of hiding,....welcome aboard.

And yes,....this thread was extremely hostile with timeouts and temporary bannings for posters that simply held their ground (since our the 1st SB run) that -- surrounded by a good team -- he wasn't the answer, and was being overrated by our fans.

And although it's been proven before in multiple ways that this was the case,....we finally have definitive proof fof such from all 32 teams: you were wrong all along.

You said he's better/equal to Carr and he'd easily get more money than Geno, but even given the help of Geo not being able to hit the open market, that didn't happen.

In the NFL starter category -- even after his best season and in his prime -- he's average.

Not hiding, simply ignoring. But nice attempt to incite, per usual.

"Extremely hostile?" Lol.

Extremely,...yes. For posters that simply disagreed with crazy notions heightening his value constantly (as fans everywhere often do for their beloved teams),...your gang constantly trolled this thread for any and everyone that would not go with the company line.

100's of pages have now been deleted all of a sudden since then , so cant reference it all, but that's what went on here, and you played a big part of it with inciteful words like "haters" all the time to pick fights.

We couldnt discuss the game or the players because we were forced to talk about who hated who and who didn't. I have to be honest with you -- You and a couple other no-shows were the main culprits that has this thread a good 2-3000 pages longer than it should be.

So alot of the stuff you're calling out right now is complete hypocrisy, because you purposely played a huge part in causing it.

And until this contract, u never let up. And with some things,...you still havent (i.e.,...the way you wont back down from calling people haters, although it's been pretty clear for years that you should for the thread's sake).

@ the end of it all,....look at his value even after he's never looked better in an NFL uniform? Vindication.

Originally posted by Furlow:
QB W/L is one of many stats and factors that play into a QB's level of success and how he's viewed by the league. Your posts tend to minimize arguments into tiny little boxes and then only discuss one box at a time, but QB play/value is more complicated than that.

QB W/L factors/plays into a QB's level of success? This doesn't even begin to make sense. You lost me right away.

You just got definitive proof of how W/L is viewed with our beloved JG hitting the open market side by side with a player like Carr,...with deals like the ones Daniels and Geno just got.

What the hell have they ever won? How many CGs have they played a part in? SBs? Superb teams led?

The bottom line is you can make up whatever claim you want,...but the open market just spoke clearly with how much they value this QB W/L as a starter thing as some separate entity that it's not,...lol.

What you or I say or think doesn't matter because the market just answered for us.

Originally posted by Furlow:
I have 485 posts in the Trey thread; he has 4 starts so that's 121 posts per start. I have 2,019 posts in the Jimmy thread; he has 55 starts for the Niners so that's 37 posts per start. Hell you only have 672 posts in the Trey thread so let's not pretend you're in there daily defending him.

I also got a three month timeout last season for going off on someone who was talking badly about Trey.

So you can save your BS regarding Trey. Trey doesn't deserve the hate he gets, as he's barely had a chance to play. But because he's barely played, there isn't a lot to defend about his game.

How many of those 485 posts were calling out haters vs the 2019 posts here?

It's not BS. I just find the hall monitoring of this thread funny when it's not done in ANY other thread. Why is Jimmy so special to deserve it?

Being that he's barely played is precisely why complaining about him makes no sense. There is a body of work to criticize Jimmy about.

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
Furlow batting .1000

Agreed. .1000

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
Furlow batting .1000

Agreed. .1000

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
Furlow batting .1000

Agreed. .1000

wondered if anyone else would pick up on that

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by Furlow:
You're all over the place. I responded to you because you said that "there's a difference between hate and criticism. Unfortunately too many people can't tell the difference." And now you're going on and on about why it's okay for fans to be emotional and hate players when their teams don't win it all; especially teams like the 49ers and Patriots.

Whether one thinks it's justified or not, it is CLEAR that 49ers fans have a VERY high standard for QB play. Anything short of Joe Montana or Steve Young, and certain fans trash the QB. You say "that's just the way it is." Well yes, some human beings are overly emotional, never grow out of adolescent thought processes, and make illogical decisions in all facets of their lives (so sports is no different). That still doesn't justify hateful rhetoric nor does it qualify as "criticism" as you and others try and put it.

We're simply calling a spade a spade - there ARE fans who literally hate Jimmy and fans who are haters (the slang version) of Jimmy. There is no need to defend them, they come in daily and do it themselves. And they will continue to do so, even though they say they don't like Jimmy and couldn't wait for him to be gone and this thread out of Niner Talk. The hypocrisy is comedic at this point.

Just like in the Trey thread. Yet no Furlow posts.

Haha...the hiding post-trade is epic. Feelings all over the place but no one here hates or hated Jimmy.

Although many here hated the fact that posters like him made the thread uncivil when posters simply shared alternative opinions of him. It's far too late in the game to play the good cop all of a sudden. No one's falling for it.

And then we have "For all the success he's had" someone else said above. Honestly? I saw a team that had plenty of success,....I didn't see a QB that had the same. On the field he's a guy that got by doing his job.

Every offseason, danced to the beat of his drum with contract-in-hand, no matter how much it may have drove KS crazy. What if he had gave more effort while in the building one of those offseasons? Who knows.

The negatives balanced out with the superlatives to make an average NFL QB,... and one that was woefully below average come playoff time. This is what the market chose to pay him as after even his best season.

"Simply shared alternative opinions of him." I suppose blaming Jimmy for clear drops by WR's could be skewed as an "alternative opinion." To me and most, those are clearly hateful statements only intended to incite and troll. Same with saying he's only a backup, not worth a bag of chips, etc.

You've finally came out of hiding,....welcome aboard.

And yes,....this thread was extremely hostile with timeouts and temporary bannings for posters that simply held their ground (since our the 1st SB run) that -- surrounded by a good team -- he wasn't the answer, and was being overrated by our fans.

And although it's been proven before in multiple ways that this was the case,....we finally have definitive proof fof such from all 32 teams: you were wrong all along.

You said he's better/equal to Carr and he'd easily get more money than Geno, but even given the help of Geo not being able to hit the open market, that didn't happen.

In the NFL starter category -- even after his best season and in his prime -- he's average.

Not hiding, simply ignoring. But nice attempt to incite, per usual.

"Extremely hostile?" Lol.

Extremely,...yes. For posters that simply disagreed with crazy notions heightening his value constantly (as fans everywhere often do for the beloved teams),...your gang constantly trolled this thread for any and everyone that would not go with the company line.

100's of pages have now been deleted all of a sudden since then , so cant reference it all, but that's what went on here, and you played a big part of it with inciteful words like "haters" all the time to pick fights. We couldnt discuss the game or the players because we were forced to talk about who hated who and who didn't.

So alot of the stuff you're calling out right now is complete hypocrisy, because you purposely played a huge part in causing it.

And until this contract, u never let up. And with some things,...you still havent (i.e.,...the way you wont back down from calling people haters, although it's been pretty clear for years that you should for the thread's sake).

@ the end of it all,....look at his value even after he's never looked better in an NFL uniform? Vindication.

Sorry man, not interested in this strange psychobabble nonsense. I'm sure there is a mental health thread in the Parking Lot if you're into this sort of thing. For those of us who kept this about football, this thread has been no problem. The issue came from a small group of very loud anti-Jimmy posters who refused to give him any credit, and blamed every single negative outcome on him. Even drops by WR's were blamed on Jimmy, because the ball wasn't placed perfectly. Those are the types of posts that became insufferable.

What's funny is those same posters went on and on about how they couldn't wait for Jimmy to be gone and this thread out of Niner Talk. They would be "free" from this entire discussion. Yet those same posters are still in here. Which is fine, everyone is welcome. That hypocrisy though.

There will always be haters, that's a part of life. I mean imagine thinking that a QB who's being paid as the 17th highest in the league, who missed half the season due to injury, and has missed almost half of his games the past 5 seasons - is being paid a "serviceable" QB? $34M to $45M (I've seen both) guaranteed. That's far beyond serviceable, a backup, a bag of chips. I'm sorry that Jimmy's professional success on the field and in his bank account continues to upset you, but this is reality. He's not perfect, he's not a HOFer, but he's a damn good QB and teams wanted him as their starter. Let's see how he does.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Furlow:
QB W/L is one of many stats and factors that play into a QB's level of success and how he's viewed by the league. Your posts tend to minimize arguments into tiny little boxes and then only discuss one box at a time, but QB play/value is more complicated than that.

QB W/L factors/plays into a QB's level of success? This doesn't even begin to make sense. You lost me right away.

You just got definitive proof of how W/L is viewed with our beloved JG hitting the open market side by side with a player like Carr,...with deals like the ones Daniels and Geno just got.

What the hell have they ever won? How many CGs have they played a part in? SBs? Superb teams led?

The bottom line is you can make up whatever claim you want,...but the open market just spoke clearly with how much they value this QB W/L as a starter thing as some separate entity that it's not,...lol.

What you or I say or think doesn't matter because the market just answered for us.

I don't want to get into a stat discussion about who is better between Jimmy, Carr, Daniels and Geno Smith. It makes no difference because to the GMs it's all about perception. If they perceive a QB to be a winner and a guy that can lead their team then they try to sign him. Steve Young said that in the NFL perception is reality. Stat don't matter that much to coaches and GMs. Their perception is what determines how much they value a player.

As usual,...I am here to simply put things into perspective.

In Jimmy's last 2 contracts alone,...he'll have the potential to earn over $200M,.....all simply because a couple teams said "Hey,...I think we can win with this guy!"

If we are to put that into context, who here on this board can say the same over the course of working less than 10 years on a job? Virtually no one here, right?

So that in and of itself is an amazing feat,...because being able to even possibly win with an NFL team is nothing to sneeze at.

In any given year, maybe there are 30 or so guys that NFL teams feel that way about when the season kicks off. So give Jimmy his due.
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The only time this thread has ran into problems is when some fell in love with a guy and somewhat forgot about the team because if we're talking about the actual QB spot for all 32 teams, Jimmy isin't at all an upper-echelon QB and never has been.

You can count those guys on 2 hands year in and year out and that's it. But wild exaggerations forcing him there have been spoken out against because a # of us simply knew they weren't true. That's really all there is to say about it.

So if we're ever discussing a subject,...please remember that....

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by Furlow:
I have 485 posts in the Trey thread; he has 4 starts so that's 121 posts per start. I have 2,019 posts in the Jimmy thread; he has 55 starts for the Niners so that's 37 posts per start. Hell you only have 672 posts in the Trey thread so let's not pretend you're in there daily defending him.

I also got a three month timeout last season for going off on someone who was talking badly about Trey.

So you can save your BS regarding Trey. Trey doesn't deserve the hate he gets, as he's barely had a chance to play. But because he's barely played, there isn't a lot to defend about his game.

How many of those 485 posts were calling out haters vs the 2019 posts here?

It's not BS. I just find the hall monitoring of this thread funny when it's not done in ANY other thread. Why is Jimmy so special to deserve it?

Being that he's barely played is precisely why complaining about him makes no sense. There is a body of work to criticize Jimmy about.

Bro if you want to police my posts in the Trey thread, go do a search and read up. I defended him PLENTY. He hasn't played since week 2 and has 4 starts. There just isn't much to defend. I don't know how else to break that down to you.

Versus Jimmy who was here for 5 seasons, took us to a Super Bowl and two NFCCG's, and won a ton of games. Turned the franchise around and pulled us out of very dark times. So to me, the hate he gets is FAR more illogical and misplaced than Trey. I don't defend Jimmy from "criticism," hell I have plenty of my own. Starting with the fact that it's clear that he was holding back Kyle and not the other way around. I admitted that once Purdy started and unlocked the offense. Purdy is better, clearly. Well more specifically, Kyle/Purdy is better than Kyle/Jimmy. Perhaps a different OC/playcaller will be able to unlock Jimmy in a way that Kyle couldn't.

Again, you have 672 Trey posts to my 485. Plenty of posters well ahead of you. Not sure why you have this wild hair to come after me about Jimmy vs. Trey when you yourself aren't even defending Trey that much.

"Jimmy's contract shows that NFL teams don't covet him. Vindication."

5 minutes later:

"Jimmy will have made $200M, that's an amazing feat, give him his due."

Lol bruh what.