Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Los Angeles Rams

Originally posted by Strwy2Hevn:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:
Bye Jimmy G, since it should be official now. Also f**k the Raiders.

f**k the Raiders. My Raider buddies feel so stupid after all the crap they talked about Jimmy when he was a 49er. I hope he stinks it up in LV. No, I don't hate Jimmy, I hate the Raiders.

that th... such a hater

hah, if I can root against Jerry Rice when he was a Raider (lol Raiders vs Bucs in SB), you bet I can root against Jimmy.
Just lose, baby.

I've always rooted for them unless against 9ers. I'm excited to see what Jimmy can do.

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by thl408:
f**k the Raiders. My Raider buddies feel so stupid after all the crap they talked about Jimmy when he was a 49er. I hope he stinks it up in LV. No, I don't hate Jimmy, I hate the Raiders.

He could play well and they could still be terrible. That defense needs a lot of work.

Raiders had a -8 turnover ratio and average TOP of 30:10 per game. I'd imagine Jimmy gives a bump to both of those, which will help the defense. Their defense was 19th in rushing yards per game allowed and 29th in passing yards per game allowed. 30th in sacks. 26th in 3rd down percentage/stops.

Well, that completely depends on a few things.

1) was 2022 an aberration in terms of him not throwing many interceptions, or has he improved to the point where he IS 2022 Jimmy and not 2017-2021 Jimmy?

2) is Jimmy's 3rd down conversion rate a reflection of Jimmy or Kyle? Remember, Nick Mullens and all the terrible QBs we have had have all had good 3rd down conversion percentages for us. Jimmy's was better than Mullens, Beathard, etc., but not by as wide a margin as you would assume based on the talent gap between them.

Time will tell.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by thl408:
f**k the Raiders. My Raider buddies feel so stupid after all the crap they talked about Jimmy when he was a 49er. I hope he stinks it up in LV. No, I don't hate Jimmy, I hate the Raiders.

He could play well and they could still be terrible. That defense needs a lot of work.

Raiders had a -8 turnover ratio and average TOP of 30:10 per game. I'd imagine Jimmy gives a bump to both of those, which will help the defense. Their defense was 19th in rushing yards per game allowed and 29th in passing yards per game allowed. 30th in sacks. 26th in 3rd down percentage/stops.

Well, that completely depends on a few things.

1) was 2022 an aberration in terms of him not throwing many interceptions, or has he improved to the point where he IS 2022 Jimmy and not 2017-2021 Jimmy?

2) is Jimmy's 3rd down conversion rate a reflection of Jimmy or Kyle? Remember, Nick Mullens and all the terrible QBs we have had have all had good 3rd down conversion percentages for us. Jimmy's was better than Mullens, Beathard, etc., but not by as wide a margin as you would assume based on the talent gap between them.

Time will tell.

Even in years where Jimmy had more turnovers than 2022, he still affected our TOP which helped the defense.

CJ Beathard's passer rating on 3rd down in 2017 was 78.1.
Nick Mullens passer rating on 3rd down in 2018 was 74.1.
Jimmy's passer rating on 3rd down in 2019 was 101.9. In 2021 it was 96.3. In 2022 it was 112.8.

Jimmy was also good in 2017, not so much in 2018 nor 2020. Didn't add those because the sample size is pretty small. But to say that Jimmy wasn't much better than Beathard or Mullens on 3rd down is false. He was, and it made a huge difference. Will he continue that with the Raiders? We'll see. What we do have are some baselines for the Raiders defense before Jimmy became the starter, so it will be fun to compare.

Originally posted by Strwy2Hevn:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:
Bye Jimmy G, since it should be official now. Also f**k the Raiders.

f**k the Raiders. My Raider buddies feel so stupid after all the crap they talked about Jimmy when he was a 49er. I hope he stinks it up in LV. No, I don't hate Jimmy, I hate the Raiders.

that th... such a hater

hah, if I can root against Jerry Rice when he was a Raider (lol Raiders vs Bucs in SB), you bet I can root against Jimmy.
Just lose, baby.

I've always rooted for them unless against 9ers. I'm excited to see what Jimmy can do.

Wtf?! lol f**k the Raiders!

I still think it's a sinking ship, whether Jimmy is on there or not. They have to much disfunction from top to bottom, that not even Rodgers would have won a SB there.

I'll still be laughing at my cousins when they lose

Originally posted by Furlow:
Even in years where Jimmy had more turnovers than 2022, he still affected our TOP which helped the defense.

CJ Beathard's passer rating on 3rd down in 2017 was 78.1.
Nick Mullens passer rating on 3rd down in 2018 was 74.1.
Jimmy's passer rating on 3rd down in 2019 was 101.9. In 2021 it was 96.3. In 2022 it was 112.8.

Jimmy was also good in 2017, not so much in 2018 nor 2020. Didn't add those because the sample size is pretty small. But to say that Jimmy wasn't much better than Beathard or Mullens on 3rd down is false. He was, and it made a huge difference. Will he continue that with the Raiders? We'll see. What we do have are some baselines for the Raiders defense before Jimmy became the starter, so it will be fun to compare.

Baselines on two different seasons though. A lot will depend on what the Raiders add to their D. It's not just who the QB is.

For example you mentioned the -8 turnover ratio. Thing is they were tied for 8th best in total turnovers allowed. Gotta force more than 13.

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by thl408:
f**k the Raiders. My Raider buddies feel so stupid after all the crap they talked about Jimmy when he was a 49er. I hope he stinks it up in LV. No, I don't hate Jimmy, I hate the Raiders.

He could play well and they could still be terrible. That defense needs a lot of work.

Raiders had a -8 turnover ratio and average TOP of 30:10 per game. I'd imagine Jimmy gives a bump to both of those, which will help the defense. Their defense was 19th in rushing yards per game allowed and 29th in passing yards per game allowed. 30th in sacks. 26th in 3rd down percentage/stops.

Well, that completely depends on a few things.

1) was 2022 an aberration in terms of him not throwing many interceptions, or has he improved to the point where he IS 2022 Jimmy and not 2017-2021 Jimmy?

2) is Jimmy's 3rd down conversion rate a reflection of Jimmy or Kyle? Remember, Nick Mullens and all the terrible QBs we have had have all had good 3rd down conversion percentages for us. Jimmy's was better than Mullens, Beathard, etc., but not by as wide a margin as you would assume based on the talent gap between them.

Time will tell.

Even in years where Jimmy had more turnovers than 2022, he still affected our TOP which helped the defense.

CJ Beathard's passer rating on 3rd down in 2017 was 78.1.
Nick Mullens passer rating on 3rd down in 2018 was 74.1.
Jimmy's passer rating on 3rd down in 2019 was 101.9. In 2021 it was 96.3. In 2022 it was 112.8.

Jimmy was also good in 2017, not so much in 2018 nor 2020. Didn't add those because the sample size is pretty small. But to say that Jimmy wasn't much better than Beathard or Mullens on 3rd down is false. He was, and it made a huge difference. Will he continue that with the Raiders? We'll see. What we do have are some baselines for the Raiders defense before Jimmy became the starter, so it will be fun to compare.

Yep. One thing I think we can all agree on, was that Jimmy good at was moving the chains between the 20's. Helps offense get into rhythm and wears out defenses. It's conducive to winning games. And one thing I think many undervalued. Purdy is doing the same, maybe even slightly better. That helps win games.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by Furlow:
Even in years where Jimmy had more turnovers than 2022, he still affected our TOP which helped the defense.

CJ Beathard's passer rating on 3rd down in 2017 was 78.1.
Nick Mullens passer rating on 3rd down in 2018 was 74.1.
Jimmy's passer rating on 3rd down in 2019 was 101.9. In 2021 it was 96.3. In 2022 it was 112.8.

Jimmy was also good in 2017, not so much in 2018 nor 2020. Didn't add those because the sample size is pretty small. But to say that Jimmy wasn't much better than Beathard or Mullens on 3rd down is false. He was, and it made a huge difference. Will he continue that with the Raiders? We'll see. What we do have are some baselines for the Raiders defense before Jimmy became the starter, so it will be fun to compare.

Baselines on two different seasons though. A lot will depend on what the Raiders add to their D. It's not just who the QB is.

For example you mentioned the -8 turnover ratio. Thing is they were tied for 8th best in total turnovers allowed. Gotta force more than 13.

I see we're lining up the excuses already just in case Jimmy does give a bump to the defensive performance. Comedy.

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by thl408:
f**k the Raiders. My Raider buddies feel so stupid after all the crap they talked about Jimmy when he was a 49er. I hope he stinks it up in LV. No, I don't hate Jimmy, I hate the Raiders.

He could play well and they could still be terrible. That defense needs a lot of work.

Raiders had a -8 turnover ratio and average TOP of 30:10 per game. I'd imagine Jimmy gives a bump to both of those, which will help the defense. Their defense was 19th in rushing yards per game allowed and 29th in passing yards per game allowed. 30th in sacks. 26th in 3rd down percentage/stops.

Well, that completely depends on a few things.

1) was 2022 an aberration in terms of him not throwing many interceptions, or has he improved to the point where he IS 2022 Jimmy and not 2017-2021 Jimmy?

2) is Jimmy's 3rd down conversion rate a reflection of Jimmy or Kyle? Remember, Nick Mullens and all the terrible QBs we have had have all had good 3rd down conversion percentages for us. Jimmy's was better than Mullens, Beathard, etc., but not by as wide a margin as you would assume based on the talent gap between them.

Time will tell.

Even in years where Jimmy had more turnovers than 2022, he still affected our TOP which helped the defense.

CJ Beathard's passer rating on 3rd down in 2017 was 78.1.
Nick Mullens passer rating on 3rd down in 2018 was 74.1.
Jimmy's passer rating on 3rd down in 2019 was 101.9. In 2021 it was 96.3. In 2022 it was 112.8.

Jimmy was also good in 2017, not so much in 2018 nor 2020. Didn't add those because the sample size is pretty small. But to say that Jimmy wasn't much better than Beathard or Mullens on 3rd down is false. He was, and it made a huge difference. Will he continue that with the Raiders? We'll see. What we do have are some baselines for the Raiders defense before Jimmy became the starter, so it will be fun to compare.

Yep. One thing I think we can all agree on, was that Jimmy good at was moving the chains between the 20's. Helps offense get into rhythm and wears out defenses. It's conducive to winning games. And one thing I think many undervalued. Purdy is doing the same, maybe even slightly better. That helps win games.

Indeed.

Regarding Purdy, his passer rating on 3rd down last year was 132.4, #1 in the NFL. So yeah, he's doing it better for sure.

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Originally posted by Strwy2Hevn:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:

Bye Jimmy G, since it should be official now. Also f**k the Raiders.

f**k the Raiders. My Raider buddies feel so stupid after all the crap they talked about Jimmy when he was a 49er. I hope he stinks it up in LV. No, I don't hate Jimmy, I hate the Raiders.

that th... such a hater

hah, if I can root against Jerry Rice when he was a Raider (lol Raiders vs Bucs in SB), you bet I can root against Jimmy.
Just lose, baby.

I've always rooted for them unless against 9ers. I'm excited to see what Jimmy can do.

Wtf?! lol f**k the Raiders!

I still think it's a sinking ship, whether Jimmy is on there or not. They have to much disfunction from top to bottom, that not even Rodgers would have won a SB there.

I'll still be laughing at my cousins when they lose

Never had a reason to hate them. And yes I agree. Raiders gonna Raiders

Originally posted by Furlow:
I see we're lining up the excuses already just in case Jimmy does give a bump to the defensive performance. Comedy.

So if they regress its all on Jimmy?

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by thl408:
f**k the Raiders. My Raider buddies feel so stupid after all the crap they talked about Jimmy when he was a 49er. I hope he stinks it up in LV. No, I don't hate Jimmy, I hate the Raiders.

He could play well and they could still be terrible. That defense needs a lot of work.

Raiders had a -8 turnover ratio and average TOP of 30:10 per game. I'd imagine Jimmy gives a bump to both of those, which will help the defense. Their defense was 19th in rushing yards per game allowed and 29th in passing yards per game allowed. 30th in sacks. 26th in 3rd down percentage/stops.

Well, that completely depends on a few things.

1) was 2022 an aberration in terms of him not throwing many interceptions, or has he improved to the point where he IS 2022 Jimmy and not 2017-2021 Jimmy?

2) is Jimmy's 3rd down conversion rate a reflection of Jimmy or Kyle? Remember, Nick Mullens and all the terrible QBs we have had have all had good 3rd down conversion percentages for us. Jimmy's was better than Mullens, Beathard, etc., but not by as wide a margin as you would assume based on the talent gap between them.

Time will tell.

Even in years where Jimmy had more turnovers than 2022, he still affected our TOP which helped the defense.

CJ Beathard's passer rating on 3rd down in 2017 was 78.1.
Nick Mullens passer rating on 3rd down in 2018 was 74.1.
Jimmy's passer rating on 3rd down in 2019 was 101.9. In 2021 it was 96.3. In 2022 it was 112.8.

Jimmy was also good in 2017, not so much in 2018 nor 2020. Didn't add those because the sample size is pretty small. But to say that Jimmy wasn't much better than Beathard or Mullens on 3rd down is false. He was, and it made a huge difference. Will he continue that with the Raiders? We'll see. What we do have are some baselines for the Raiders defense before Jimmy became the starter, so it will be fun to compare.

I know Jimmy affected TOP in a positive way even in the years with more turnovers. Thats why I tried to separate the two things in my post.

I am not concerned with passer rating, I am concerned with 3rd down conversions. I bet you if you find those stats you will be surprised at how close they are compared to how not close the passer rating stats are.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
I know Jimmy affected TOP in a positive way even in the years with more turnovers. Thats why I tried to separate the two things in my post.

I am not concerned with passer rating, I am concerned with 3rd down conversions. I bet you if you find those stats you will be surprised at how close they are compared to how not close the passer rating stats are.

If it's 3rd and 8 and you throw a 4 yard dump your QB rating will still be good. But it's a punt.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
I know Jimmy affected TOP in a positive way even in the years with more turnovers. Thats why I tried to separate the two things in my post.

I am not concerned with passer rating, I am concerned with 3rd down conversions. I bet you if you find those stats you will be surprised at how close they are compared to how not close the passer rating stats are.

If it's 3rd and 8 and you throw a 4 yard dump your QB rating will still be good. But it's a punt.

This is why I disliked Alex Smith. He was the king of this. I think Jimmy was decent in this area. He at least tried to get the first down. However, Jimmy almost always opted for the shorter option than the longer one....which led to many missed potential game changing plays. That was one of my bigger issues with him.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
I know Jimmy affected TOP in a positive way even in the years with more turnovers. Thats why I tried to separate the two things in my post.

I am not concerned with passer rating, I am concerned with 3rd down conversions. I bet you if you find those stats you will be surprised at how close they are compared to how not close the passer rating stats are.

If it's 3rd and 8 and you throw a 4 yard dump your QB rating will still be good. But it's a punt.

This is why I disliked Alex Smith. He was the king of this. I think Jimmy was decent in this area. He at least tried to get the first down. However, Jimmy almost always opted for the shorter option than the longer one....which led to many missed potential game changing plays. That was one of my bigger issues with him.

me too roll right, chuck it out of bounds.. the Alex Smith special

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by Furlow:
I see we're lining up the excuses already just in case Jimmy does give a bump to the defensive performance. Comedy.

So if they regress its all on Jimmy?

If they get worse in most or all of the below, and Jimmy plays, yes I'd put that on Jimmy.

Raiders had a -8 turnover ratio and average TOP of 30:10 per game. Their defense was 19th in rushing yards per game allowed and 29th in passing yards per game allowed. 30th in sacks. 26th in 3rd down percentage/stops.