Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Los Angeles Rams

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by picklejuice:
I might watch some Las Vegas games now. I want to see the difference between McDaniels and Kyle's offense.

This is all I want to see. Does he play better in the spread or was Kyle's offense really what was best for him in the end. Or did it even matter? LOL

Define "play better".

There's no doubt in my mind that Jimmy will have success throwing to Devante Adams, arguably the best WR in football. Jimmy's a good QB who's played for McDaniels.

I ask the question what's "play better" mean because for years people have used wins-losses to prove Jimmy's value.

What happens if Jimmy G's stats improve but the Raiders go 6-10?

It will interesting to watch those same posters who used to value winning, now value individual performance over winning… now that he's losing (hypothetically).

Another poster lining up the excuses already

Yup it was pretty clear what was goin on there

Same crap they were doing before free agency began. Suddenly the bar was raised super high for Jimmy's contract, just so they could say "I told you so." Simply very odd behavior from a group that has tirelessly downplayed and ridiculed everything Jimmy has accomplished; and repeatedly said they can't wait for him to be gone so they don't have to talk about him anymore.

This W/L thing is beyond annoying. It is one of MANY data points that were used to argue Jimmy's worth. Now suddenly it's the only thing that matters; for both his contract and future with the Raiders. Hmm I wonder why they'd try to minimize Jimmy to only his W/L record, going to a crap organization like the Raiders?

For the life of me I will never understand why people would want to spend so much time hoping that a player does poorly, especially one that plays/played for their favorite team.

YOU GUYS are the ones who were going around saying Jimmy was going to sign for 35 million.

Before he got hurt. Do you think his injury affected his value or no?

Of course it did. And he's been getting hurt since New England.

I broke down the Carr / JG stats and you can see Carr hit 99% of games started (essentially 100) JG was at I believe 64%.
Performance wise they are on the level but injury wise is the clear difference

This took his contract from a Carr like $150m to the $72m.. my prediction was not half of Carr which was very spot on if I say so myself

It was more than injury. First, there is the Brock Purdy effect. He definitely cost Jimmy money, because he flat out made the offense better. Then, there is the talent and scheme. Carr was asked to do more. That's just a fact, no matter how much you mock stats like completed air yards per completion and run after the catch. People with millions of dollars invested in these teams don't have the luxury of sweeping stats under the run that don't glorify the guy they lie. They see a guy throws a lot more short passes and see a guy who's consistently less accurate down the field, and they wonder how much of his success was him and how much was the coach and talent around him. That isn't "haters," that's people with millions invested.

All these factors played a role in the gulf between their respective contracts despite similar efficiency numbers.

Now, do I think that's an accurate judgement on their part? I don't. I first of all think mediocre QBs are overvalued. If anything, Carr's contract is too high. But since this is a market economy, I do think they're underpaying Jimmy by a couple of million, because of how important moving the chains is in the NFL, and he's pretty good at that. Nevertheless, while injury history played a role, there was more to it than that.

That's why they got rid of Carr and signed Jimmy. Your argument makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

They got rid of Carr and signed Jimmy FOR SIGNIFICANTLY LESS MONEY. They cut Carr before about 40 million would have become guaranteed. And they got a QB in the same tier at around 24 million per year. It's interesting how you ignore these details. We all know why.

The argument makes sense. You just don't like the conclusion it suggests, for the same reason you hate Trey and mock him with your name. Because you're in love with Jimmy. But he's a Raider now, and their boards need more members.

Exactly they cut Carr because he wasnt getting the job done and his stats were empty. No... It really doesn't make sense. They released Carr signing Jimmy day one. This is fact. They chose Jimmy over stats.

And lol, I'm 100% behind Trey. Unlike you I support our QBs. Why the heck are making up crazy ass conspiracies for? Why do you lie so much? Go even read the Trey thread and I told people he was going to surprise the guys that treat Trey the same way you treat Jimmy. I'm not a hypocrite like you, I like all of our QBs and don't get off hating them like you. I haven't said a negative thing about Trey. Again... I think he has a very high chance of taking the job and keeping it.

"That's just a fact, no matter how much you mock stats like completed air yards per completion and run after the catch. People with millions of dollars invested in these teams don't have the luxury of sweeping stats under the run that don't glorify the guy they"

Actually... That's exactly what the Raiders did... Lol like exactly... They looked past your meaningless stats that equate to nothing and released stats boy and signed the opposite. Again you make no sense and you make up weird fantasies. I think Trey is going to win the job actually. If you weren't so busy talking about Jimmy the Raider you'd see that.

I am confused how my name is mocking Trey? Unlike you I don't have to hate on one QB to like another. I fully support our QB. You should try it sometime. Supporting the team.

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by picklejuice:
I might watch some Las Vegas games now. I want to see the difference between McDaniels and Kyle's offense.

This is all I want to see. Does he play better in the spread or was Kyle's offense really what was best for him in the end. Or did it even matter? LOL

Define "play better".

There's no doubt in my mind that Jimmy will have success throwing to Devante Adams, arguably the best WR in football. Jimmy's a good QB who's played for McDaniels.

I ask the question what's "play better" mean because for years people have used wins-losses to prove Jimmy's value.

What happens if Jimmy G's stats improve but the Raiders go 6-10?

It will interesting to watch those same posters who used to value winning, now value individual performance over winning… now that he's losing (hypothetically).

Another poster lining up the excuses already

Yup it was pretty clear what was goin on there

Same crap they were doing before free agency began. Suddenly the bar was raised super high for Jimmy's contract, just so they could say "I told you so." Simply very odd behavior from a group that has tirelessly downplayed and ridiculed everything Jimmy has accomplished; and repeatedly said they can't wait for him to be gone so they don't have to talk about him anymore.

This W/L thing is beyond annoying. It is one of MANY data points that were used to argue Jimmy's worth. Now suddenly it's the only thing that matters; for both his contract and future with the Raiders. Hmm I wonder why they'd try to minimize Jimmy to only his W/L record, going to a crap organization like the Raiders?

For the life of me I will never understand why people would want to spend so much time hoping that a player does poorly, especially one that plays/played for their favorite team.

YOU GUYS are the ones who were going around saying Jimmy was going to sign for 35 million.

Before he got hurt. Do you think his injury affected his value or no?

Of course it did. And he's been getting hurt since New England.

I broke down the Carr / JG stats and you can see Carr hit 99% of games started (essentially 100) JG was at I believe 64%.
Performance wise they are on the level but injury wise is the clear difference

This took his contract from a Carr like $150m to the $72m.. my prediction was not half of Carr which was very spot on if I say so myself

It was more than injury. First, there is the Brock Purdy effect. He definitely cost Jimmy money, because he flat out made the offense better. Then, there is the talent and scheme. Carr was asked to do more. That's just a fact, no matter how much you mock stats like completed air yards per completion and run after the catch. People with millions of dollars invested in these teams don't have the luxury of sweeping stats under the run that don't glorify the guy they lie. They see a guy throws a lot more short passes and see a guy who's consistently less accurate down the field, and they wonder how much of his success was him and how much was the coach and talent around him. That isn't "haters," that's people with millions invested.

All these factors played a role in the gulf between their respective contracts despite similar efficiency numbers.

Now, do I think that's an accurate judgement on their part? I don't. I first of all think mediocre QBs are overvalued. If anything, Carr's contract is too high. But since this is a market economy, I do think they're underpaying Jimmy by a couple of million, because of how important moving the chains is in the NFL, and he's pretty good at that. Nevertheless, while injury history played a role, there was more to it than that.

That's why they got rid of Carr and signed Jimmy. Your argument makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

They got rid of Carr and signed Jimmy FOR SIGNIFICANTLY LESS MONEY. They cut Carr before about 40 million would have become guaranteed. And they got a QB in the same tier at around 24 million per year. It's interesting how you ignore these details. We all know why.

The argument makes sense. You just don't like the conclusion it suggests, for the same reason you hate Trey and mock him with your name. Because you're in love with Jimmy. But he's a Raider now, and their boards need more members.

Exactly they cut Carr because he wasnt getting the job done and his stats were empty. No... It really doesn't make sense. They released Carr signing Jimmy day one. This is fact. They chose Jimmy over stats.

And lol, I'm 100% behind Trey. Unlike you I support our QBs. Why the heck are making up crazy ass conspiracies for? Why do you lie so much? Go even read the Trey thread and I told people he was going to surprise the guys that treat Trey the same way you treat Jimmy. I'm not a hypocrite like you, I like all of our QBs and don't get off hating them like you. I haven't said a negative thing about Trey. Again... I think he has a very high chance of taking the job and keeping it.

"That's just a fact, no matter how much you mock stats like completed air yards per completion and run after the catch. People with millions of dollars invested in these teams don't have the luxury of sweeping stats under the run that don't glorify the guy they"

Actually... That's exactly what the Raiders did... Lol like exactly... They looked past your meaningless stats that equate to nothing and released stats boy and signed the opposite. Again you make no sense and you make up weird fantasies. I think Trey is going to win the job actually. If you weren't so busy talking about Jimmy the Raider you'd see that.

I am confused how my name is mocking Trey? Unlike you I don't have to hate on one QB to like another. I fully support our QB. You should try it sometime. Supporting the team.

so much denial and that last paragraph.. cherry on top

The tall tales of jimmy know no bounds

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by picklejuice:
I might watch some Las Vegas games now. I want to see the difference between McDaniels and Kyle's offense.

This is all I want to see. Does he play better in the spread or was Kyle's offense really what was best for him in the end. Or did it even matter? LOL

Define "play better".

There's no doubt in my mind that Jimmy will have success throwing to Devante Adams, arguably the best WR in football. Jimmy's a good QB who's played for McDaniels.

I ask the question what's "play better" mean because for years people have used wins-losses to prove Jimmy's value.

What happens if Jimmy G's stats improve but the Raiders go 6-10?

It will interesting to watch those same posters who used to value winning, now value individual performance over winning… now that he's losing (hypothetically).

Another poster lining up the excuses already

Yup it was pretty clear what was goin on there

Same crap they were doing before free agency began. Suddenly the bar was raised super high for Jimmy's contract, just so they could say "I told you so." Simply very odd behavior from a group that has tirelessly downplayed and ridiculed everything Jimmy has accomplished; and repeatedly said they can't wait for him to be gone so they don't have to talk about him anymore.

This W/L thing is beyond annoying. It is one of MANY data points that were used to argue Jimmy's worth. Now suddenly it's the only thing that matters; for both his contract and future with the Raiders. Hmm I wonder why they'd try to minimize Jimmy to only his W/L record, going to a crap organization like the Raiders?

For the life of me I will never understand why people would want to spend so much time hoping that a player does poorly, especially one that plays/played for their favorite team.

YOU GUYS are the ones who were going around saying Jimmy was going to sign for 35 million.

Before he got hurt. Do you think his injury affected his value or no?

Of course it did. And he's been getting hurt since New England.

I broke down the Carr / JG stats and you can see Carr hit 99% of games started (essentially 100) JG was at I believe 64%.
Performance wise they are on the level but injury wise is the clear difference

This took his contract from a Carr like $150m to the $72m.. my prediction was not half of Carr which was very spot on if I say so myself

It was more than injury. First, there is the Brock Purdy effect. He definitely cost Jimmy money, because he flat out made the offense better. Then, there is the talent and scheme. Carr was asked to do more. That's just a fact, no matter how much you mock stats like completed air yards per completion and run after the catch. People with millions of dollars invested in these teams don't have the luxury of sweeping stats under the run that don't glorify the guy they lie. They see a guy throws a lot more short passes and see a guy who's consistently less accurate down the field, and they wonder how much of his success was him and how much was the coach and talent around him. That isn't "haters," that's people with millions invested.

All these factors played a role in the gulf between their respective contracts despite similar efficiency numbers.

Now, do I think that's an accurate judgement on their part? I don't. I first of all think mediocre QBs are overvalued. If anything, Carr's contract is too high. But since this is a market economy, I do think they're underpaying Jimmy by a couple of million, because of how important moving the chains is in the NFL, and he's pretty good at that. Nevertheless, while injury history played a role, there was more to it than that.

That's why they got rid of Carr and signed Jimmy. Your argument makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

They got rid of Carr and signed Jimmy FOR SIGNIFICANTLY LESS MONEY. They cut Carr before about 40 million would have become guaranteed. And they got a QB in the same tier at around 24 million per year. It's interesting how you ignore these details. We all know why.

The argument makes sense. You just don't like the conclusion it suggests, for the same reason you hate Trey and mock him with your name. Because you're in love with Jimmy. But he's a Raider now, and their boards need more members.

Exactly they cut Carr because he wasnt getting the job done and his stats were empty. No... It really doesn't make sense. They released Carr signing Jimmy day one. This is fact. They chose Jimmy over stats.

And lol, I'm 100% behind Trey. Unlike you I support our QBs. Why the heck are making up crazy ass conspiracies for? Why do you lie so much? Go even read the Trey thread and I told people he was going to surprise the guys that treat Trey the same way you treat Jimmy. I'm not a hypocrite like you, I like all of our QBs and don't get off hating them like you. I haven't said a negative thing about Trey. Again... I think he has a very high chance of taking the job and keeping it.

"That's just a fact, no matter how much you mock stats like completed air yards per completion and run after the catch. People with millions of dollars invested in these teams don't have the luxury of sweeping stats under the run that don't glorify the guy they"

Actually... That's exactly what the Raiders did... Lol like exactly... They looked past your meaningless stats that equate to nothing and released stats boy and signed the opposite. Again you make no sense and you make up weird fantasies. I think Trey is going to win the job actually. If you weren't so busy talking about Jimmy the Raider you'd see that.

I am confused how my name is mocking Trey? Unlike you I don't have to hate on one QB to like another. I fully support our QB. You should try it sometime. Supporting the team.

so much denial and that last paragraph.. cherry on top

The tall tales of jimmy know no bounds

What does this even mean? Lol. Same goes for you. I can root for multiple QBs and I have no reason to obsessively bring one down. You don't understand this simple concept but yeah I like Trey, I like Purdy, and liked Jimmy when he was starting. Again, I don't understand why guys like you always have to hate one of them. Just like you and Alex everyday. You need and crave a player to pick on and bully.

Oh and I chose my name because it was Treys time and a new era. I support Trey. TreyDey. Meaning it's Treys Day. I'm m guessing you probably didn't comprehend the simplicity.

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:
Exactly they cut Carr because he wasnt getting the job done and his stats were empty. No... It really doesn't make sense. They released Carr signing Jimmy day one. This is fact. They chose Jimmy over stats.

And lol, I'm 100% behind Trey. Unlike you I support our QBs. Why the heck are making up crazy ass conspiracies for? Why do you lie so much? Go even read the Trey thread and I told people he was going to surprise the guys that treat Trey the same way you treat Jimmy. I'm not a hypocrite like you, I like all of our QBs and don't get off hating them like you. I haven't said a negative thing about Trey. Again... I think he has a very high chance of taking the job and keeping it.

"That's just a fact, no matter how much you mock stats like completed air yards per completion and run after the catch. People with millions of dollars invested in these teams don't have the luxury of sweeping stats under the run that don't glorify the guy they"

Actually... That's exactly what the Raiders did... Lol like exactly... They looked past your meaningless stats that equate to nothing and released stats boy and signed the opposite. Again you make no sense and you make up weird fantasies. I think Trey is going to win the job actually. If you weren't so busy talking about Jimmy the Raider you'd see that.

I am confused how my name is mocking Trey? Unlike you I don't have to hate on one QB to like another. I fully support our QB. You should try it sometime. Supporting the team.

You can always change to DarnoldPalmer if he wins the job

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by picklejuice:
I might watch some Las Vegas games now. I want to see the difference between McDaniels and Kyle's offense.

This is all I want to see. Does he play better in the spread or was Kyle's offense really what was best for him in the end. Or did it even matter? LOL

Define "play better".

There's no doubt in my mind that Jimmy will have success throwing to Devante Adams, arguably the best WR in football. Jimmy's a good QB who's played for McDaniels.

I ask the question what's "play better" mean because for years people have used wins-losses to prove Jimmy's value.

What happens if Jimmy G's stats improve but the Raiders go 6-10?

It will interesting to watch those same posters who used to value winning, now value individual performance over winning… now that he's losing (hypothetically).

Another poster lining up the excuses already

Yup it was pretty clear what was goin on there

Same crap they were doing before free agency began. Suddenly the bar was raised super high for Jimmy's contract, just so they could say "I told you so." Simply very odd behavior from a group that has tirelessly downplayed and ridiculed everything Jimmy has accomplished; and repeatedly said they can't wait for him to be gone so they don't have to talk about him anymore.

This W/L thing is beyond annoying. It is one of MANY data points that were used to argue Jimmy's worth. Now suddenly it's the only thing that matters; for both his contract and future with the Raiders. Hmm I wonder why they'd try to minimize Jimmy to only his W/L record, going to a crap organization like the Raiders?

For the life of me I will never understand why people would want to spend so much time hoping that a player does poorly, especially one that plays/played for their favorite team.

YOU GUYS are the ones who were going around saying Jimmy was going to sign for 35 million.

Before he got hurt. Do you think his injury affected his value or no?

Of course it did. And he's been getting hurt since New England.

I broke down the Carr / JG stats and you can see Carr hit 99% of games started (essentially 100) JG was at I believe 64%.
Performance wise they are on the level but injury wise is the clear difference

This took his contract from a Carr like $150m to the $72m.. my prediction was not half of Carr which was very spot on if I say so myself

It was more than injury. First, there is the Brock Purdy effect. He definitely cost Jimmy money, because he flat out made the offense better. Then, there is the talent and scheme. Carr was asked to do more. That's just a fact, no matter how much you mock stats like completed air yards per completion and run after the catch. People with millions of dollars invested in these teams don't have the luxury of sweeping stats under the run that don't glorify the guy they lie. They see a guy throws a lot more short passes and see a guy who's consistently less accurate down the field, and they wonder how much of his success was him and how much was the coach and talent around him. That isn't "haters," that's people with millions invested.

All these factors played a role in the gulf between their respective contracts despite similar efficiency numbers.

Now, do I think that's an accurate judgement on their part? I don't. I first of all think mediocre QBs are overvalued. If anything, Carr's contract is too high. But since this is a market economy, I do think they're underpaying Jimmy by a couple of million, because of how important moving the chains is in the NFL, and he's pretty good at that. Nevertheless, while injury history played a role, there was more to it than that.

That's why they got rid of Carr and signed Jimmy. Your argument makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

They got rid of Carr and signed Jimmy FOR SIGNIFICANTLY LESS MONEY. They cut Carr before about 40 million would have become guaranteed. And they got a QB in the same tier at around 24 million per year. It's interesting how you ignore these details. We all know why.

The argument makes sense. You just don't like the conclusion it suggests, for the same reason you hate Trey and mock him with your name. Because you're in love with Jimmy. But he's a Raider now, and their boards need more members.

Exactly they cut Carr because he wasnt getting the job done and his stats were empty. No... It really doesn't make sense. They released Carr signing Jimmy day one. This is fact. They chose Jimmy over stats.

And lol, I'm 100% behind Trey. Unlike you I support our QBs. Why the heck are making up crazy ass conspiracies for? Why do you lie so much? Go even read the Trey thread and I told people he was going to surprise the guys that treat Trey the same way you treat Jimmy. I'm not a hypocrite like you, I like all of our QBs and don't get off hating them like you. I haven't said a negative thing about Trey. Again... I think he has a very high chance of taking the job and keeping it.

"That's just a fact, no matter how much you mock stats like completed air yards per completion and run after the catch. People with millions of dollars invested in these teams don't have the luxury of sweeping stats under the run that don't glorify the guy they"

Actually... That's exactly what the Raiders did... Lol like exactly... They looked past your meaningless stats that equate to nothing and released stats boy and signed the opposite. Again you make no sense and you make up weird fantasies. I think Trey is going to win the job actually. If you weren't so busy talking about Jimmy the Raider you'd see that.

I am confused how my name is mocking Trey? Unlike you I don't have to hate on one QB to like another. I fully support our QB. You should try it sometime. Supporting the team.

so much denial and that last paragraph.. cherry on top

The tall tales of jimmy know no bounds

What does this even mean? Lol. Same goes for you. I can root for multiple QBs and I have no reason to obsessively bring one down. You don't understand this simple concept but yeah I like Trey, I like Purdy, and liked Jimmy when he was starting. Again, I don't understand why guys like you always have to hate one of them. Just like you and Alex everyday. You need and crave a player to pick on and bully.

Oh and I chose my name because it was Treys time and a new era. I support Trey. TreyDey. Meaning it's Treys Day. I'm m guessing you probably didn't comprehend the simplicity.

whatever helps you sleep at night i guess

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by picklejuice:
I might watch some Las Vegas games now. I want to see the difference between McDaniels and Kyle's offense.

This is all I want to see. Does he play better in the spread or was Kyle's offense really what was best for him in the end. Or did it even matter? LOL

Define "play better".

There's no doubt in my mind that Jimmy will have success throwing to Devante Adams, arguably the best WR in football. Jimmy's a good QB who's played for McDaniels.

I ask the question what's "play better" mean because for years people have used wins-losses to prove Jimmy's value.

What happens if Jimmy G's stats improve but the Raiders go 6-10?

It will interesting to watch those same posters who used to value winning, now value individual performance over winning… now that he's losing (hypothetically).

Another poster lining up the excuses already

Yup it was pretty clear what was goin on there

Same crap they were doing before free agency began. Suddenly the bar was raised super high for Jimmy's contract, just so they could say "I told you so." Simply very odd behavior from a group that has tirelessly downplayed and ridiculed everything Jimmy has accomplished; and repeatedly said they can't wait for him to be gone so they don't have to talk about him anymore.

This W/L thing is beyond annoying. It is one of MANY data points that were used to argue Jimmy's worth. Now suddenly it's the only thing that matters; for both his contract and future with the Raiders. Hmm I wonder why they'd try to minimize Jimmy to only his W/L record, going to a crap organization like the Raiders?

For the life of me I will never understand why people would want to spend so much time hoping that a player does poorly, especially one that plays/played for their favorite team.

YOU GUYS are the ones who were going around saying Jimmy was going to sign for 35 million.

Before he got hurt. Do you think his injury affected his value or no?

Of course it did. And he's been getting hurt since New England.

I broke down the Carr / JG stats and you can see Carr hit 99% of games started (essentially 100) JG was at I believe 64%.
Performance wise they are on the level but injury wise is the clear difference

This took his contract from a Carr like $150m to the $72m.. my prediction was not half of Carr which was very spot on if I say so myself

It was more than injury. First, there is the Brock Purdy effect. He definitely cost Jimmy money, because he flat out made the offense better. Then, there is the talent and scheme. Carr was asked to do more. That's just a fact, no matter how much you mock stats like completed air yards per completion and run after the catch. People with millions of dollars invested in these teams don't have the luxury of sweeping stats under the run that don't glorify the guy they lie. They see a guy throws a lot more short passes and see a guy who's consistently less accurate down the field, and they wonder how much of his success was him and how much was the coach and talent around him. That isn't "haters," that's people with millions invested.

All these factors played a role in the gulf between their respective contracts despite similar efficiency numbers.

Now, do I think that's an accurate judgement on their part? I don't. I first of all think mediocre QBs are overvalued. If anything, Carr's contract is too high. But since this is a market economy, I do think they're underpaying Jimmy by a couple of million, because of how important moving the chains is in the NFL, and he's pretty good at that. Nevertheless, while injury history played a role, there was more to it than that.

That's why they got rid of Carr and signed Jimmy. Your argument makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

They got rid of Carr and signed Jimmy FOR SIGNIFICANTLY LESS MONEY. They cut Carr before about 40 million would have become guaranteed. And they got a QB in the same tier at around 24 million per year. It's interesting how you ignore these details. We all know why.

The argument makes sense. You just don't like the conclusion it suggests, for the same reason you hate Trey and mock him with your name. Because you're in love with Jimmy. But he's a Raider now, and their boards need more members.

Exactly they cut Carr because he wasnt getting the job done and his stats were empty. No... It really doesn't make sense. They released Carr signing Jimmy day one. This is fact. They chose Jimmy over stats.

And lol, I'm 100% behind Trey. Unlike you I support our QBs. Why the heck are making up crazy ass conspiracies for? Why do you lie so much? Go even read the Trey thread and I told people he was going to surprise the guys that treat Trey the same way you treat Jimmy. I'm not a hypocrite like you, I like all of our QBs and don't get off hating them like you. I haven't said a negative thing about Trey. Again... I think he has a very high chance of taking the job and keeping it.

"That's just a fact, no matter how much you mock stats like completed air yards per completion and run after the catch. People with millions of dollars invested in these teams don't have the luxury of sweeping stats under the run that don't glorify the guy they"

Actually... That's exactly what the Raiders did... Lol like exactly... They looked past your meaningless stats that equate to nothing and released stats boy and signed the opposite. Again you make no sense and you make up weird fantasies. I think Trey is going to win the job actually. If you weren't so busy talking about Jimmy the Raider you'd see that.

I am confused how my name is mocking Trey? Unlike you I don't have to hate on one QB to like another. I fully support our QB. You should try it sometime. Supporting the team.

so much denial and that last paragraph.. cherry on top

The tall tales of jimmy know no bounds

What does this even mean? Lol. Same goes for you. I can root for multiple QBs and I have no reason to obsessively bring one down. You don't understand this simple concept but yeah I like Trey, I like Purdy, and liked Jimmy when he was starting. Again, I don't understand why guys like you always have to hate one of them. Just like you and Alex everyday. You need and crave a player to pick on and bully.

Oh and I chose my name because it was Treys time and a new era. I support Trey. TreyDey. Meaning it's Treys Day. I'm m guessing you probably didn't comprehend the simplicity.

To this day, the bolded still makes no sense to me. Perfectly stated, sir.

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by picklejuice:
I might watch some Las Vegas games now. I want to see the difference between McDaniels and Kyle's offense.

This is all I want to see. Does he play better in the spread or was Kyle's offense really what was best for him in the end. Or did it even matter? LOL

Define "play better".

There's no doubt in my mind that Jimmy will have success throwing to Devante Adams, arguably the best WR in football. Jimmy's a good QB who's played for McDaniels.

I ask the question what's "play better" mean because for years people have used wins-losses to prove Jimmy's value.

What happens if Jimmy G's stats improve but the Raiders go 6-10?

It will interesting to watch those same posters who used to value winning, now value individual performance over winning… now that he's losing (hypothetically).

Another poster lining up the excuses already

Yup it was pretty clear what was goin on there

Same crap they were doing before free agency began. Suddenly the bar was raised super high for Jimmy's contract, just so they could say "I told you so." Simply very odd behavior from a group that has tirelessly downplayed and ridiculed everything Jimmy has accomplished; and repeatedly said they can't wait for him to be gone so they don't have to talk about him anymore.

This W/L thing is beyond annoying. It is one of MANY data points that were used to argue Jimmy's worth. Now suddenly it's the only thing that matters; for both his contract and future with the Raiders. Hmm I wonder why they'd try to minimize Jimmy to only his W/L record, going to a crap organization like the Raiders?

For the life of me I will never understand why people would want to spend so much time hoping that a player does poorly, especially one that plays/played for their favorite team.

YOU GUYS are the ones who were going around saying Jimmy was going to sign for 35 million.

Before he got hurt. Do you think his injury affected his value or no?

Of course it did. And he's been getting hurt since New England.

I broke down the Carr / JG stats and you can see Carr hit 99% of games started (essentially 100) JG was at I believe 64%.
Performance wise they are on the level but injury wise is the clear difference

This took his contract from a Carr like $150m to the $72m.. my prediction was not half of Carr which was very spot on if I say so myself

It was more than injury. First, there is the Brock Purdy effect. He definitely cost Jimmy money, because he flat out made the offense better. Then, there is the talent and scheme. Carr was asked to do more. That's just a fact, no matter how much you mock stats like completed air yards per completion and run after the catch. People with millions of dollars invested in these teams don't have the luxury of sweeping stats under the run that don't glorify the guy they lie. They see a guy throws a lot more short passes and see a guy who's consistently less accurate down the field, and they wonder how much of his success was him and how much was the coach and talent around him. That isn't "haters," that's people with millions invested.

All these factors played a role in the gulf between their respective contracts despite similar efficiency numbers.

Now, do I think that's an accurate judgement on their part? I don't. I first of all think mediocre QBs are overvalued. If anything, Carr's contract is too high. But since this is a market economy, I do think they're underpaying Jimmy by a couple of million, because of how important moving the chains is in the NFL, and he's pretty good at that. Nevertheless, while injury history played a role, there was more to it than that.

That's why they got rid of Carr and signed Jimmy. Your argument makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

They got rid of Carr and signed Jimmy FOR SIGNIFICANTLY LESS MONEY. They cut Carr before about 40 million would have become guaranteed. And they got a QB in the same tier at around 24 million per year. It's interesting how you ignore these details. We all know why.

The argument makes sense. You just don't like the conclusion it suggests, for the same reason you hate Trey and mock him with your name. Because you're in love with Jimmy. But he's a Raider now, and their boards need more members.

Exactly they cut Carr because he wasnt getting the job done and his stats were empty. No... It really doesn't make sense. They released Carr signing Jimmy day one. This is fact. They chose Jimmy over stats.

And lol, I'm 100% behind Trey. Unlike you I support our QBs. Why the heck are making up crazy ass conspiracies for? Why do you lie so much? Go even read the Trey thread and I told people he was going to surprise the guys that treat Trey the same way you treat Jimmy. I'm not a hypocrite like you, I like all of our QBs and don't get off hating them like you. I haven't said a negative thing about Trey. Again... I think he has a very high chance of taking the job and keeping it.

"That's just a fact, no matter how much you mock stats like completed air yards per completion and run after the catch. People with millions of dollars invested in these teams don't have the luxury of sweeping stats under the run that don't glorify the guy they"

Actually... That's exactly what the Raiders did... Lol like exactly... They looked past your meaningless stats that equate to nothing and released stats boy and signed the opposite. Again you make no sense and you make up weird fantasies. I think Trey is going to win the job actually. If you weren't so busy talking about Jimmy the Raider you'd see that.

I am confused how my name is mocking Trey? Unlike you I don't have to hate on one QB to like another. I fully support our QB. You should try it sometime. Supporting the team.

so much denial and that last paragraph.. cherry on top

The tall tales of jimmy know no bounds

What does this even mean? Lol. Same goes for you. I can root for multiple QBs and I have no reason to obsessively bring one down. You don't understand this simple concept but yeah I like Trey, I like Purdy, and liked Jimmy when he was starting. Again, I don't understand why guys like you always have to hate one of them. Just like you and Alex everyday. You need and crave a player to pick on and bully.

Oh and I chose my name because it was Treys time and a new era. I support Trey. TreyDey. Meaning it's Treys Day. I'm m guessing you probably didn't comprehend the simplicity.

To this day, the bolded still makes no sense to me. Perfectly stated, sir.

it doesn't make sense because there is no hate lol

per ESPN

Garoppolo taking snaps will be a decidedly different look for Las Vegas. He's replacing Derek Carr, the Raiders' starter since his rookie season of 2014, and Carr only missed two regular-season starts because of injury in his career.

But Garoppolo is also expected to give the Raiders' offense, which was the NFL's No. 12-ranked unit last season (No. 11 passing, No. 17 rushing, No. 12 scoring), not only a fresh start, but a kickstart, given his familiarity with McDaniels and the scheme and the discomfort Carr had in said system.

Consider: Garoppolo's passer rating as a starter with McDaniels calling plays is 119.0 compared to Carr's 86.3.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by picklejuice:
I might watch some Las Vegas games now. I want to see the difference between McDaniels and Kyle's offense.

This is all I want to see. Does he play better in the spread or was Kyle's offense really what was best for him in the end. Or did it even matter? LOL

Define "play better".

There's no doubt in my mind that Jimmy will have success throwing to Devante Adams, arguably the best WR in football. Jimmy's a good QB who's played for McDaniels.

I ask the question what's "play better" mean because for years people have used wins-losses to prove Jimmy's value.

What happens if Jimmy G's stats improve but the Raiders go 6-10?

It will interesting to watch those same posters who used to value winning, now value individual performance over winning… now that he's losing (hypothetically).

Another poster lining up the excuses already

Yup it was pretty clear what was goin on there

Same crap they were doing before free agency began. Suddenly the bar was raised super high for Jimmy's contract, just so they could say "I told you so." Simply very odd behavior from a group that has tirelessly downplayed and ridiculed everything Jimmy has accomplished; and repeatedly said they can't wait for him to be gone so they don't have to talk about him anymore.

This W/L thing is beyond annoying. It is one of MANY data points that were used to argue Jimmy's worth. Now suddenly it's the only thing that matters; for both his contract and future with the Raiders. Hmm I wonder why they'd try to minimize Jimmy to only his W/L record, going to a crap organization like the Raiders?

For the life of me I will never understand why people would want to spend so much time hoping that a player does poorly, especially one that plays/played for their favorite team.

YOU GUYS are the ones who were going around saying Jimmy was going to sign for 35 million.

Before he got hurt. Do you think his injury affected his value or no?

Of course it did. And he's been getting hurt since New England.

I broke down the Carr / JG stats and you can see Carr hit 99% of games started (essentially 100) JG was at I believe 64%.
Performance wise they are on the level but injury wise is the clear difference

This took his contract from a Carr like $150m to the $72m.. my prediction was not half of Carr which was very spot on if I say so myself

It was more than injury. First, there is the Brock Purdy effect. He definitely cost Jimmy money, because he flat out made the offense better. Then, there is the talent and scheme. Carr was asked to do more. That's just a fact, no matter how much you mock stats like completed air yards per completion and run after the catch. People with millions of dollars invested in these teams don't have the luxury of sweeping stats under the run that don't glorify the guy they lie. They see a guy throws a lot more short passes and see a guy who's consistently less accurate down the field, and they wonder how much of his success was him and how much was the coach and talent around him. That isn't "haters," that's people with millions invested.

All these factors played a role in the gulf between their respective contracts despite similar efficiency numbers.

Now, do I think that's an accurate judgement on their part? I don't. I first of all think mediocre QBs are overvalued. If anything, Carr's contract is too high. But since this is a market economy, I do think they're underpaying Jimmy by a couple of million, because of how important moving the chains is in the NFL, and he's pretty good at that. Nevertheless, while injury history played a role, there was more to it than that.

That's why they got rid of Carr and signed Jimmy. Your argument makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

They got rid of Carr and signed Jimmy FOR SIGNIFICANTLY LESS MONEY. They cut Carr before about 40 million would have become guaranteed. And they got a QB in the same tier at around 24 million per year. It's interesting how you ignore these details. We all know why.

The argument makes sense. You just don't like the conclusion it suggests, for the same reason you hate Trey and mock him with your name. Because you're in love with Jimmy. But he's a Raider now, and their boards need more members.

Exactly they cut Carr because he wasnt getting the job done and his stats were empty. No... It really doesn't make sense. They released Carr signing Jimmy day one. This is fact. They chose Jimmy over stats.

And lol, I'm 100% behind Trey. Unlike you I support our QBs. Why the heck are making up crazy ass conspiracies for? Why do you lie so much? Go even read the Trey thread and I told people he was going to surprise the guys that treat Trey the same way you treat Jimmy. I'm not a hypocrite like you, I like all of our QBs and don't get off hating them like you. I haven't said a negative thing about Trey. Again... I think he has a very high chance of taking the job and keeping it.

"That's just a fact, no matter how much you mock stats like completed air yards per completion and run after the catch. People with millions of dollars invested in these teams don't have the luxury of sweeping stats under the run that don't glorify the guy they"

Actually... That's exactly what the Raiders did... Lol like exactly... They looked past your meaningless stats that equate to nothing and released stats boy and signed the opposite. Again you make no sense and you make up weird fantasies. I think Trey is going to win the job actually. If you weren't so busy talking about Jimmy the Raider you'd see that.

I am confused how my name is mocking Trey? Unlike you I don't have to hate on one QB to like another. I fully support our QB. You should try it sometime. Supporting the team.

so much denial and that last paragraph.. cherry on top

The tall tales of jimmy know no bounds

What does this even mean? Lol. Same goes for you. I can root for multiple QBs and I have no reason to obsessively bring one down. You don't understand this simple concept but yeah I like Trey, I like Purdy, and liked Jimmy when he was starting. Again, I don't understand why guys like you always have to hate one of them. Just like you and Alex everyday. You need and crave a player to pick on and bully.

Oh and I chose my name because it was Treys time and a new era. I support Trey. TreyDey. Meaning it's Treys Day. I'm m guessing you probably didn't comprehend the simplicity.

To this day, the bolded still makes no sense to me. Perfectly stated, sir.

it doesn't make sense because there is no hate lol

What doesn't make sense is why you and others feel the need to continually trash on a player you don't like. Particularly when they're no longer on the team. I mean, that's what y'all just couldn't wait for right? Thread out of Niner Talk, etc. Yet here y'all are, the usual suspects (as I predicted). It is a truly strange obsession, to desire to spew negativity towards a player.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
per ESPN

Garoppolo taking snaps will be a decidedly different look for Las Vegas. He's replacing Derek Carr, the Raiders' starter since his rookie season of 2014, and Carr only missed two regular-season starts because of injury in his career.

But Garoppolo is also expected to give the Raiders' offense, which was the NFL's No. 12-ranked unit last season (No. 11 passing, No. 17 rushing, No. 12 scoring), not only a fresh start, but a kickstart, given his familiarity with McDaniels and the scheme and the discomfort Carr had in said system.

Consider: Garoppolo's passer rating as a starter with McDaniels calling plays is 119.0 compared to Carr's 86.3.

But passer rating doesn't matter. Air yards, fantasy football points, and SportsCenter Top Ten Plays are what win games.

Passer rating in two total games doesn't matter no.

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by picklejuice:
I might watch some Las Vegas games now. I want to see the difference between McDaniels and Kyle's offense.

This is all I want to see. Does he play better in the spread or was Kyle's offense really what was best for him in the end. Or did it even matter? LOL

Define "play better".

There's no doubt in my mind that Jimmy will have success throwing to Devante Adams, arguably the best WR in football. Jimmy's a good QB who's played for McDaniels.

I ask the question what's "play better" mean because for years people have used wins-losses to prove Jimmy's value.

What happens if Jimmy G's stats improve but the Raiders go 6-10?

It will interesting to watch those same posters who used to value winning, now value individual performance over winning… now that he's losing (hypothetically).

Another poster lining up the excuses already

Yup it was pretty clear what was goin on there

Same crap they were doing before free agency began. Suddenly the bar was raised super high for Jimmy's contract, just so they could say "I told you so." Simply very odd behavior from a group that has tirelessly downplayed and ridiculed everything Jimmy has accomplished; and repeatedly said they can't wait for him to be gone so they don't have to talk about him anymore.

This W/L thing is beyond annoying. It is one of MANY data points that were used to argue Jimmy's worth. Now suddenly it's the only thing that matters; for both his contract and future with the Raiders. Hmm I wonder why they'd try to minimize Jimmy to only his W/L record, going to a crap organization like the Raiders?

For the life of me I will never understand why people would want to spend so much time hoping that a player does poorly, especially one that plays/played for their favorite team.

YOU GUYS are the ones who were going around saying Jimmy was going to sign for 35 million.

Before he got hurt. Do you think his injury affected his value or no?

Of course it did. And he's been getting hurt since New England.

I broke down the Carr / JG stats and you can see Carr hit 99% of games started (essentially 100) JG was at I believe 64%.
Performance wise they are on the level but injury wise is the clear difference

This took his contract from a Carr like $150m to the $72m.. my prediction was not half of Carr which was very spot on if I say so myself

It was more than injury. First, there is the Brock Purdy effect. He definitely cost Jimmy money, because he flat out made the offense better. Then, there is the talent and scheme. Carr was asked to do more. That's just a fact, no matter how much you mock stats like completed air yards per completion and run after the catch. People with millions of dollars invested in these teams don't have the luxury of sweeping stats under the run that don't glorify the guy they lie. They see a guy throws a lot more short passes and see a guy who's consistently less accurate down the field, and they wonder how much of his success was him and how much was the coach and talent around him. That isn't "haters," that's people with millions invested.

All these factors played a role in the gulf between their respective contracts despite similar efficiency numbers.

Now, do I think that's an accurate judgement on their part? I don't. I first of all think mediocre QBs are overvalued. If anything, Carr's contract is too high. But since this is a market economy, I do think they're underpaying Jimmy by a couple of million, because of how important moving the chains is in the NFL, and he's pretty good at that. Nevertheless, while injury history played a role, there was more to it than that.

That's why they got rid of Carr and signed Jimmy. Your argument makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

They got rid of Carr and signed Jimmy FOR SIGNIFICANTLY LESS MONEY. They cut Carr before about 40 million would have become guaranteed. And they got a QB in the same tier at around 24 million per year. It's interesting how you ignore these details. We all know why.

The argument makes sense. You just don't like the conclusion it suggests, for the same reason you hate Trey and mock him with your name. Because you're in love with Jimmy. But he's a Raider now, and their boards need more members.

Exactly they cut Carr because he wasnt getting the job done and his stats were empty. No... It really doesn't make sense. They released Carr signing Jimmy day one. This is fact. They chose Jimmy over stats.

And lol, I'm 100% behind Trey. Unlike you I support our QBs. Why the heck are making up crazy ass conspiracies for? Why do you lie so much? Go even read the Trey thread and I told people he was going to surprise the guys that treat Trey the same way you treat Jimmy. I'm not a hypocrite like you, I like all of our QBs and don't get off hating them like you. I haven't said a negative thing about Trey. Again... I think he has a very high chance of taking the job and keeping it.

"That's just a fact, no matter how much you mock stats like completed air yards per completion and run after the catch. People with millions of dollars invested in these teams don't have the luxury of sweeping stats under the run that don't glorify the guy they"

Actually... That's exactly what the Raiders did... Lol like exactly... They looked past your meaningless stats that equate to nothing and released stats boy and signed the opposite. Again you make no sense and you make up weird fantasies. I think Trey is going to win the job actually. If you weren't so busy talking about Jimmy the Raider you'd see that.

I am confused how my name is mocking Trey? Unlike you I don't have to hate on one QB to like another. I fully support our QB. You should try it sometime. Supporting the team.

so much denial and that last paragraph.. cherry on top

The tall tales of jimmy know no bounds

What does this even mean? Lol. Same goes for you. I can root for multiple QBs and I have no reason to obsessively bring one down. You don't understand this simple concept but yeah I like Trey, I like Purdy, and liked Jimmy when he was starting. Again, I don't understand why guys like you always have to hate one of them. Just like you and Alex everyday. You need and crave a player to pick on and bully.

Oh and I chose my name because it was Treys time and a new era. I support Trey. TreyDey. Meaning it's Treys Day. I'm m guessing you probably didn't comprehend the simplicity.

To this day, the bolded still makes no sense to me. Perfectly stated, sir.

it doesn't make sense because there is no hate lol

What doesn't make sense is why you and others feel the need to continually trash on a player you don't like. Particularly when they're no longer on the team. I mean, that's what y'all just couldn't wait for right? Thread out of Niner Talk, etc. Yet here y'all are, the usual suspects (as I predicted). It is a truly strange obsession, to desire to spew negativity towards a player.

there is no trashing of jimmy.. well from what i post it isn't. just some posters have built up a false idol and can't take criticism even when it's warranted

i never said i wouldn't come here when the thread moved.. and the strange obsession is far worse on the other side

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
per ESPN

Garoppolo taking snaps will be a decidedly different look for Las Vegas. He's replacing Derek Carr, the Raiders' starter since his rookie season of 2014, and Carr only missed two regular-season starts because of injury in his career.

But Garoppolo is also expected to give the Raiders' offense, which was the NFL's No. 12-ranked unit last season (No. 11 passing, No. 17 rushing, No. 12 scoring), not only a fresh start, but a kickstart, given his familiarity with McDaniels and the scheme and the discomfort Carr had in said system.

Consider: Garoppolo's passer rating as a starter with McDaniels calling plays is 119.0 compared to Carr's 86.3.

easy to have a high passer rating when the dude literally never throws past 10-12 yards.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Passer rating in two total games doesn't matter no.

Derek Carr career passer rating - 91.8
Jimmy G career passer rating - 99.6

Originally posted by TheXFactor:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
per ESPN

Garoppolo taking snaps will be a decidedly different look for Las Vegas. He's replacing Derek Carr, the Raiders' starter since his rookie season of 2014, and Carr only missed two regular-season starts because of injury in his career.

But Garoppolo is also expected to give the Raiders' offense, which was the NFL's No. 12-ranked unit last season (No. 11 passing, No. 17 rushing, No. 12 scoring), not only a fresh start, but a kickstart, given his familiarity with McDaniels and the scheme and the discomfort Carr had in said system.

Consider: Garoppolo's passer rating as a starter with McDaniels calling plays is 119.0 compared to Carr's 86.3.

easy to have a high passer rating when the dude literally never throws past 10-12 yards.

It's so easy every QB should do it. I wonder why they don't?