Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Los Angeles Rams

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
the suggestion that you can sign JG and no need for a physical, that's my new all time fav line on here
I can't even..

you are really being naive here. Teams can delay the physicals, like the Raiders just did with Jimmy's 2nd Physical

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
the suggestion that you can sign JG and no need for a physical, that's my new all time fav line on here
I can't even..

you are really being naive here. Teams can delay the physicals, like the Raiders just did with Jimmy's 2nd Physical

oh MrAtt,

no there is no delayed physical.. they did a physical.. upon agreeing to terms
it's cuz of that physical, that started this whole business

look we all saw what happened, this is what happens, when you start carrying Dolphins on your back, while trying to remain upright
we should have expected this, in fact, if we want to dig, I think I speculated that the delay, was probably due to a failed physical, at the time
this was when his intro presser, was delayed a day

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
cuz they did a physical, which all new signings get, and they didn't like the foot

now they weren't so scared off, that they pulled the deal
they said, get it fixed, come back and pass a physical, and the original deal is on
until then, the deal is modified, in case your foot falls off during surg

what do you think the Vegas grand plan is, logically?
to announce JG in a presser, sell JG jerseys, not draft a QB until round 4, have Hoyer as QB2, and he ain't playing for them? does any of that make sense?

what do you think JGs plan is logically? Get hurt, and go against medical advice, to show up to a physical injured, and somehow that gets you more money? Why cuz you fool the Raider docs? Why would he even want to play for an org, that can't do basic stuff, like get a physical done correct?

sometimes the simplest answer is the correct one, he got hurt, they said don't get the surg (this is documented), heal on its own, and in FA, Raiders said to play for us, we don't want a healed foot, we want a surgically repaired foot, and JG said, ok

Simplest answer is they knew the foot needed surgery but they didn't want to get it until after he got his money so they were hoping they could get his max payment then get the surgery.

What ATT is talking about is if Yee tells them the foot isn't completely healed and needs surgery then they would've agreed to the waiver to start with no delay of the press conference. They changed his contract BECAUSE the extent of the injury was not disclosed by Yee.

The reason teams do physicals is precisely for this situation, to make sure there isn't an undisclosed injury lingering.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
the suggestion that you can sign JG and no need for a physical, that's my new all time fav line on here
I can't even..

you are really being naive here. Teams can delay the physicals, like the Raiders just did with Jimmy's 2nd Physical

oh MrAtt,

no there is no delayed physical.. they did a physical.. upon agreeing to terms
it's cuz of that physical, that started this whole business

look we all saw what happened, this is what happens, when you start carrying Dolphins on your back, while trying to remain upright
we should have expected this, in fact, if we want to dig, I think I speculated that the delay, was probably due to a failed physical, at the time
this was when his intro presser, was delayed a day

If jimmy's team was transparent.. a physical delay could have been placed like they just did with the new amended contract. Jimmy lost guaranteed cash because of Jimmy/agent antics

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
cuz they did a physical, which all new signings get, and they didn't like the foot

now they weren't so scared off, that they pulled the deal
they said, get it fixed, come back and pass a physical, and the original deal is on
until then, the deal is modified, in case your foot falls off during surg

what do you think the Vegas grand plan is, logically?
to announce JG in a presser, sell JG jerseys, not draft a QB until round 4, have Hoyer as QB2, and he ain't playing for them? does any of that make sense?

what do you think JGs plan is logically? Get hurt, and go against medical advice, to show up to a physical injured, and somehow that gets you more money? Why cuz you fool the Raider docs? Why would he even want to play for an org, that can't do basic stuff, like get a physical done correct?

sometimes the simplest answer is the correct one, he got hurt, they said don't get the surg (this is documented), heal on its own, and in FA, Raiders said to play for us, we don't want a healed foot, we want a surgically repaired foot, and JG said, ok

Simplest answer is they knew the foot needed surgery but they didn't want to get it until after he got his money so they were hoping they could get his max payment then get the surgery.

What ATT is talking about is if Yee tells them the foot isn't completely healed and needs surgery then they would've agreed to the waiver to start with no delay of the press conference. They changed his contract BECAUSE the extent of the injury was not disclosed by Yee.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Simplest answer is they knew the foot needed surgery but they didn't want to get it until after he got his money so they were hoping they could get his max payment then get the surgery.

What ATT is talking about is if Yee tells them the foot isn't completely healed and needs surgery then they would've agreed to the waiver to start with no delay of the press conference. They changed his contract BECAUSE the extent of the injury was not disclosed by Yee.

lol this makes no sense
how do you get max money, on a bum wheel?
how well did that plan work?

You think he dupes the Raiders, by concealing the injury, gets past the physical, gets max money (whatever that means), then schedules the procedure, all while keeping the team in the dark? What happens when he can't show up for the offseason, he has to tell his new employer, oh yeah, I suckered you guys with this foot, see ya in August.

get real

back in the real world, we know the terms agreed upon didn't really change, what changed (after the physical) is the condition that his bonus is converted to salary, and not payable if cut, until he can pass a physical.

they don't intend to cut him, if they did, why on Earth would they sell the fanbase on him as QB1 for months of offseason..
so he will play for Vegas, and not miss a game from now until week 1, other than maybe some preseason, which is largely irrelevant..

musings on the situation, courtesy of the real world/Florio:

Why didn't he have surgery in December?

The most obvious explanation from the team's perspective is that the 49ers thought he'd be able to return for the Super Bowl, if the 49ers had made it that far. It's not clear whether that would have been the case.

A month later, the Raiders weren't comfortable clearing him without surgery. At times, different doctors from different teams will have different opinions about the same injury. But it would have been odd for the 49ers to welcome him back just a few weeks before the Raiders weren't comfortable welcoming him in.

The 49ers also might not have been inclined to push for surgery because, either way, he wouldn't have been ready to play at any point in the postseason.

Then there's the reality that, as one league source astutely pointed out, Garoppolo had to want to go under the knife. There's a good chance he just didn't want the surgery.

For Lisfranc injuries, the question becomes spacing of the bones. At a certain amount of spacing, the foot becomes unstable. Within a certain range, the injury can be repaired with rehab. Garoppolo might have decided to opt for a conservative approach (remember, he delayed shoulder surgery in 2022), hoping that rehab would work.

Ultimately, it didn't. Ultimately, he needed surgery.

These last two pages have been comical. Faithful, per usual, you are completely missing the point. NO one is saying that the Raiders should have not done a physical. But if Jimmy's camp was up front that he was likely to fail the physical, they wouldnt have done it at that time....which means there would have been no press conference to delay. 49ATT is correct. Physicals get delayed ATT (hehe). Teams wont give a guy a physical if they know he is going to fail it. They figure something out.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
These last two pages have been comical. Faithful, per usual, you are completely missing the point. NO one is saying that the Raiders should have not done a physical. But if Jimmy's camp was up front that he was likely to fail the physical, they wouldnt have done it at that time....which means there would have been no press conference to delay. 49ATT is correct. Physicals get delayed ATT (hehe). Teams wont give a guy a physical if they know he is going to fail it. They figure something out.

SWH, you are not understanding the convo. You assume, without evidence, that JG camp was not up front. Show the evidence.

Furthermore, you assume that JG was duplicitous, or knew the foot had a problem (likely to fail the physical). Again, read Florio, before donning the conspiracy hat. Two sets of docs, can look at the same foot, and see two different things. He was told not to get surg in December, this was reported. Let is heal, without surg, was his plan up to the Raiders getting involved, from all available evidence.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
lol, in your mind only
the orders changed, from don't get it in Dec (see above) to get it in March
it's different docs, the Vegas docs didn't look at him in December, why would they?

They just happened to change the minute he failed a physical.

It's very dubious to anyone looking at it critically.

IMO Jimmys agent was trying to pull a fast one.

What do you think happens when a player signs a contract? He has to be evaluated by the Vegas docs. For the first time. The Vegas docs say we don't like the foot, and in order to play for us, you need to get the foot done.

This isn't that hard ppl

it's hard for you.. If jimmy/agent was transparent, there wouldn't have been a physical needed at the time he failed, there wouldn't be a need to postpone the press conference, there wouldn't be a need to redo the contract. He lost the signing bonus because of this.

transparent about what? he was injured on live TV, in front of millions of ppl
you think the foot injury is some secret he's hiding?

oh boy folks, it never ends

the denial is strong ^^

I like how the conspiracy theory is he was healthy enough to play, chose not to, to stick it to KS
then he gets very much not healthy to play, needs surg, and purposely doesn't have it, thinking Vegas docs wouldn't check out the foot that, you know, sidelined him for months

it all makes total sense ppl

again.. If jimmy/agent was transparent, there wouldn't have been a physical needed at the time he failed, there wouldn't be a need to postpone the press conference, there wouldn't be a need to redo the contract. He lost the signing bonus because of this.

He can possibly not get 1 dollar from this signing

wouldn't have been a physical needed...
you know what FAs have a physical? All of them.
that's standard operating procedure, for any FA, ask Carlos Correa, for example

I got a good laugh at "wouldn't have been a physical needed" as well lol. But that said, this seems a little fishy on Jimmy's part. Can't imagine all of his docs were saying "yeah man, your foot is great, no surgery needed" in December, January, February. By waiting until after he signed a contract, he allowed himself to get more potential money.

Although him agreeing to move all bonus money to 2023 salary money (which he only gets if he passes a physical), kind of blows up the theory that he was hiding something.

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
lol, in your mind only
the orders changed, from don't get it in Dec (see above) to get it in March
it's different docs, the Vegas docs didn't look at him in December, why would they?

They just happened to change the minute he failed a physical.

It's very dubious to anyone looking at it critically.

IMO Jimmys agent was trying to pull a fast one.

What do you think happens when a player signs a contract? He has to be evaluated by the Vegas docs. For the first time. The Vegas docs say we don't like the foot, and in order to play for us, you need to get the foot done.

This isn't that hard ppl

it's hard for you.. If jimmy/agent was transparent, there wouldn't have been a physical needed at the time he failed, there wouldn't be a need to postpone the press conference, there wouldn't be a need to redo the contract. He lost the signing bonus because of this.

transparent about what? he was injured on live TV, in front of millions of ppl
you think the foot injury is some secret he's hiding?

oh boy folks, it never ends

the denial is strong ^^

I like how the conspiracy theory is he was healthy enough to play, chose not to, to stick it to KS
then he gets very much not healthy to play, needs surg, and purposely doesn't have it, thinking Vegas docs wouldn't check out the foot that, you know, sidelined him for months

it all makes total sense ppl

again.. If jimmy/agent was transparent, there wouldn't have been a physical needed at the time he failed, there wouldn't be a need to postpone the press conference, there wouldn't be a need to redo the contract. He lost the signing bonus because of this.

He can possibly not get 1 dollar from this signing

wouldn't have been a physical needed...
you know what FAs have a physical? All of them.
that's standard operating procedure, for any FA, ask Carlos Correa, for example

I got a good laugh at "wouldn't have been a physical needed" as well lol. But that said, this seems a little fishy on Jimmy's part. Can't imagine all of his docs were saying "yeah man, your foot is great, no surgery needed" in December, January, February. By waiting until after he signed a contract, he allowed himself to get more potential money.

Although him agreeing to move all bonus money to 2023 salary money (which he only gets if he passes a physical), kind of blows up the theory that he was hiding something.

Furlow, I shared the info from December, he was told no surg by docs.
The plan was let it heal, and maybe play in late Jan or Feb. He was getting close, per reports.

The idea somehow he got more money, from knowingly lying about the state of his foot..

#1 - show me the evidence, or it's just ppl making up a story
#2 - it didn't have any such effect, he made zero additional dollars, and Vegas knows all about the foot, in spite of his apparent attempt to defraud them on the medical, which is total assumption and conjecture

the idea that a pro athlete would just ignore the foot, and somehow get more cash, first off that means he's going around with a bum foot, and just not fixing it, as a ruse
do you buy that for one second?
also, explain to me having a bum foot, gets you more cash? what sense does that make? be specific..

I don't think ppl are thinking this thru

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
lol this makes no sense
how do you get max money, on a bum wheel?
how well did that plan work?

You think he dupes the Raiders, by concealing the injury, gets past the physical, gets max money (whatever that means), then schedules the procedure, all while keeping the team in the dark? What happens when he can't show up for the offseason, he has to tell his new employer, oh yeah, I suckered you guys with this foot, see ya in August.

get real

back in the real world, we know the terms agreed upon didn't really change, what changed (after the physical) is the condition that his bonus is converted to salary, and not payable if cut, until he can pass a physical.

they don't intend to cut him, if they did, why on Earth would they sell the fanbase on him as QB1 for months of offseason..
so he will play for Vegas, and not miss a game from now until week 1, other than maybe some preseason, which is largely irrelevant..

Jimmy immediately gets the surgery after getting the money. Same way he got the surgery on his shoulder the minute he realized the 9ers weren't cutting him last offseason. He's and Yee are doing what's best for Jimmy not what's best for the Raiders. He owes them nothing.

Funny how preseason is suddenly irrelevent on a new team in a new offense but it was essential last year in an offense he had been in the previous 5 years.

The guy jeopardized his own health for the potential benefit of us. I'm not angry at all. I feel bad. He took a chance for us and it didn't work out. I hope it doesn't screw him over

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
lol this makes no sense
how do you get max money, on a bum wheel?
how well did that plan work?

You think he dupes the Raiders, by concealing the injury, gets past the physical, gets max money (whatever that means), then schedules the procedure, all while keeping the team in the dark? What happens when he can't show up for the offseason, he has to tell his new employer, oh yeah, I suckered you guys with this foot, see ya in August.

get real

back in the real world, we know the terms agreed upon didn't really change, what changed (after the physical) is the condition that his bonus is converted to salary, and not payable if cut, until he can pass a physical.

they don't intend to cut him, if they did, why on Earth would they sell the fanbase on him as QB1 for months of offseason..
so he will play for Vegas, and not miss a game from now until week 1, other than maybe some preseason, which is largely irrelevant..

Jimmy immediately gets the surgery after getting the money. Same way he got the surgery on his shoulder the minute he realized the 9ers weren't cutting him last offseason. He's and Yee are doing what's best for Jimmy not what's best for the Raiders. He owes them nothing.

Funny how preseason is suddenly irrelevent on a new team in a new offense but it was essential last year in an offense he had been in the previous 5 years.

Yeah, dude, Vegas didn't pass him on the physical. You act like he pulled one over on Vegas, and got his money, then checked into surg. That's not at all what reality is here. Vegas wants him, with a surgically repaired foot. He agreed to surg, to play as QB1 for Vegas. End of story.