Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
It's an unrealistic ask. Show me some data on Gore getting washed. I mean he clearly got washed. The YPC, his age, and common sense tell you that. Yet where's the data, SWH. Let's see the data in terms of his speed, change of direction, etc. I challenge you to find it. Being washed is the eye test and common sense. Dalvin Cook is washed. Jamal isn't who he was. JG is washed. Russ is to a degree washed. Where is your data?
Im not the one claiming I have "data."
With Gore, it was incredibly easy to identify he wasn't the same. His burst through the line wasn't the same. His top end speed, while never the strength of his game, was clearly slower. It took him longer to get up to his top speed.
Are we really doing this? It was super easy to tell Gore was losing it. You STILL cannot identify things that showed Jimmy was losing it.
The difference between all the players you mentioned and Jimmy is that YOU are the only one who is claiming that Jimmy is washed. And when the multiple people challenged you about it, you mention surgeries, injuries and lack of an offseason rather than actually talking about what it is he does worse.
It exposes how nonsensical an ask it is. If you want me to get data, surely you can do the same. Or do you admit, it's not from data as you claim, it's more from common sense / eye test. You have no data.
The market speaks volumes, he was worth a round 2 (2x), $137m, $71m, etc. If you are right, and he's the same now as he was, then his valuation should remain the same. I say you are essentially already demonstrated wrong. His value clearly fluctuates over time, $137m is a big difference from $71m, particularly when you factor $137m was a then record, you would have to go up to like $400m today. So contracts going up, and JGs value going down. Easy answer, he's not as good as he once was. I think in FA now he would get a lot less than $71m, would he even get an offer? That's him being washed.
He did well in NE with McD, that's where you take the L thinking it's simply a product of being with Shanny. Shanny had a lot of QBs who couldn't do half of what JG did. But those days are over..