Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by Waterbear:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by Waterbear:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
It exposes how nonsensical an ask it is. If you want me to get data, surely you can do the same. Or do you admit, it's not from data as you claim, it's more from common sense / eye test. You have no data.
The market speaks volumes, he was worth a round 2 (2x), $137m, $71m, etc. If you are right, and he's the same now as he was, then his valuation should remain the same. I say you are essentially already demonstrated wrong. His value clearly fluctuates over time, $137m is a big difference from $71m, particularly when you factor $137m was a then record, you would have to go up to like $400m today. So contracts going up, and JGs value going down. Easy answer, he's not as good as he once was. I think in FA now he would get a lot less than $71m, would he even get an offer? That's him being washed.
He did well in NE with McD, that's where you take the L thinking it's simply a product of being with Shanny. Shanny had a lot of QBs who couldn't do half of what JG did. But those days are over..
Lol. He started two games. Had less than 100 pass attempts across his entire Patriots tenure. He was a virtual unknown beyond the fact that he was a decent prospect and had tutored in the best situation in the NFL.
We are talking 94 attempts in NE and 168 in LV, it's fairly small sample in both
106.2 rating in NE
78.1 in Vegas
QBR in 2016 is 87.5 - this is the deflategate year, and he was opening day starter, it's his highest career QBR
Faithful, is 168 attempts not a big enough sample size to accurately judge a player?
I don't think 94 vs 168 are that different. Let's not keep one and toss the other, you can view both, and say they are both fairly small samples
I think JG has been poor this year, he looks washed up to me, to say I am trying to say the sample is so small it can't be regarded would be not accurate of my position WB
I am saying to say 168 = valid and 94 is too small a sample, is bogus.
I can't tell if you answered my question based off your phrasing but... okay?
Why is it like pulling teeth to get you to answer what about Jimmy's game has been affected by his injuries?
Just watch the guy play, do you guys watch the other teams? Like Shanny says 
Have you seen Dalvin Cook lately, he's trash. He had to publicly lobby for carries, cuz he was getting 3rd stringer to Hall and Carter. He's like why did I come here. So they cut Carter and Cook is garbage, he puts it on the ground. Here is Cook:
66-210-0
that's 3.2 ypc
Now applying the logic in here, he's the same guy, yet the McConnell system got him his production
so he always sucked, and was a product of McConnell / Zimmer
or you can just google Dalvin Cook shoulder, realize why MIN let him walk, and put 2 and 2 together.
I think this is kinda similar, both players have prior production, major injuries, and are now on the downside of things, to anyone with eyeballs, watching the games.
Anyone with eyeballs can see Jimmy's on the downside of things? No… You're vastly outnumbered here and you know that. Most people in this thread keep telling you for years that Jimmy was part of the reason we struggled to win a SB. You blamed the offensive line, a strong safety, the defense as a whole, Kyle Shanahan, everyone but Jimmy.
And the difference is, 1. QB and RB are obviously different positions, 2. You can see the lack of explosion in Cook's game that he used to have. Yet you can't see what's different about Jimmy's game, you keep saying you can, and yet you still haven't given any evidence for that. Saying "Watch the tape" is not evidence. Explaining how the injuries affected Jimmy on the tape would be, yet you keep refusing to do so.
Brock Purdy embodies everything that's wrong with Jimmy's game. Lack of mobility, reading defenses, deep ball accuracy, plays outside of structure… you can't keep assuming the only reason we moved on from Jimmy was injuries, or the only reason Jimmy struggles now are his injuries. And yet Kyle spent 3 first round picks on Trey Lance, a QB with a completely different skill set than Jimmy… if we wanted another version of Jimmy we would have drafted Mac Jones. But we wanted more of the things I just mentioned.
Whether it was 2017, 2019, 2023 or 2024, Jimmy has the exact same shortcomings. One person refuses to acknowledge them right now… and its you.
[ Edited by Waterbear on Dec 13, 2023 at 3:56 PM ]
