Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Los Angeles Rams

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Yeah and notice I was right. He wasn't right by his own admission. LV hired a guy past his prime, and loaded up with injuries. Isn't it obvious at this point? You guys were the ones running around saying he's in his prime

So the Raiders made a bad mistake by signing him?

Professionals couldn't see what 4f6 saw in hindsight from his couch

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Yeah and notice I was right. He wasn't right by his own admission. LV hired a guy past his prime, and loaded up with injuries. Isn't it obvious at this point? You guys were the ones running around saying he's in his prime

So the Raiders made a bad mistake by signing him?

No doubt, I am on record, I said, take the under on his yards projection and I also said he can't be counted on for a full season.

I thought he should go to LA to backup Stafford, Wentz got that job.
how can you hire a QB1 who very reliably can't play the full season or even close

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Yeah and notice I was right. He wasn't right by his own admission. LV hired a guy past his prime, and loaded up with injuries. Isn't it obvious at this point? You guys were the ones running around saying he's in his prime

So the Raiders made a bad mistake by signing him?

Professionals couldn't see what 4f6 saw in hindsight from his couch

Calling McD a professional at talent acquisition is generous

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
No doubt, I am on record, I said, take the under on his yards projection and I also said he can't be counted on for a full season.

I thought he should go to LA to backup Stafford, Wentz got that job.
how can you hire a QB1 who very reliably can't play the full season or even close

You are mostly on record blaming Kyle for all of Jimmys struggles actually.

But hey spend all of November of 2022 talking about resigning Jimmy then he gets a clean broken foot with no ligament damage and suddenly he's washed up and you were right all along.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Professionals couldn't see what 4f6 saw in hindsight from his couch

From his couch he saw Kyle limiting Jimmy all the way until it was proven he wasn't and now Jimmy failures are all injury related. Hell of a pivot. Reminds me of someone else on the forum.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Professionals couldn't see what 4f6 saw in hindsight from his couch

From his couch he saw Kyle limiting Jimmy all the way until it was proven he wasn't and now Jimmy failures are all injury related. Hell of a pivot. Reminds me of someone else on the forum.

just need the "i've been saying it for 7 years" statement lol

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
No doubt, I am on record, I said, take the under on his yards projection and I also said he can't be counted on for a full season.

I thought he should go to LA to backup Stafford, Wentz got that job.
how can you hire a QB1 who very reliably can't play the full season or even close

You are mostly on record blaming Kyle for all of Jimmys struggles actually.

But hey spend all of November of 2022 talking about resigning Jimmy then he gets a clean broken foot with no ligament damage and suddenly he's washed up and you were right all along.

Total strawman
I didn't talk about resigning Jimmy

QB publicly uses foot injury to help explain poor play mostly the result of poor decision making that was present throughout his career. Shocker.

I think it's funny we're using this as evidence in an argument about whether he's washed up or not, instead of pointing out that he clearly isn't retiring… which was another argument made in the context of him being washed up. Pretty sure I even offered to bet he wouldn't.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
QB publicly uses foot injury to help explain poor play mostly the result of poor decision making that was present throughout his career. Shocker.

I think it's funny we're using this as evidence in an argument about whether he's washed up or not, instead of pointing out that he clearly isn't retiring… which was another argument made in the context of him being washed up. Pretty sure I even offered to bet he wouldn't.

We'll see, as they say
my suspicion, and I stand by it, is he wants to play. That's said in the article also. So I question if he would willingly sign on for a QB2 hold the clipboard role. No team is making him QB1, on account of he can't get thru a campaign, had a hard time getting thru September, and indeed didn't.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
QB publicly uses foot injury to help explain poor play mostly the result of poor decision making that was present throughout his career. Shocker.

I think it's funny we're using this as evidence in an argument about whether he's washed up or not, instead of pointing out that he clearly isn't retiring… which was another argument made in the context of him being washed up. Pretty sure I even offered to bet he wouldn't.

Faithful spent the time from when Jimmy came in until he got hurt with suggestions about bringing him back and if he gets hurt the 22 season would be over. Now the spin is I knew he was washed, 2022 was his worst season and Raiders made a huge mistake.

I spent pages arguing with Furlow that Jimmy wasn't gonna magically turnaround the Raiders defense just by possessing the ball a bit more. Stands to reason a guy who thought Jimmy was washed would've also challenged said belief.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
telling article can be found here it is, from ESPN
bolding the lines of note:

Raiders' Jimmy Garoppolo feels healthy, wants to get back on field

Paul Gutierrez, ESPN Staff WriterJan 8, 2024, 04:27 PM ET

HENDERSON, Nev. -- Speaking for the first time since he was benched in the wake of Josh McDaniels' firing as coach back in October, Las Vegas Raiders quarterback Jimmy Garoppolo talked Monday of how "weird" the season was for him on a personal level.

Garoppolo signed a three-year, $72.75 million free agent contract in March despite needing surgery on his left foot after six star-crossed seasons with the San Francisco 49ers. He spoke on how he was never truly right physically after the surgery but also how he looks forward to entering the offseason healthy and competing for a starting gig again next season, be it in Las Vegas or elsewhere.

"You never know," he told ESPN, alluding to the Raiders being in the market for possibly both a new general manager and head coach.

"I just want to get back to playing, honestly," Garoppolo said in an earlier scrum at his locker during cleanout day. "That's why I play this game. ... I love to win. Honestly, what I think I'm here for is just to go out there and get wins. As a football player, it's something you've got to embrace. Not everyone wants that. Some people just want statistics and things like that. I really just want to go out there and win. I really enjoy doing it. That's what we're here for."

Garoppolo came to Las Vegas with a reputation of being a winner -- his regular-season career record of 40-17 with a Super Bowl appearance entering the 2023 season said as much -- but also as being injury prone. It was in Week 3 when Garoppolo suffered a concussion, in a loss to the Pittsburgh Steelers, and he missed the following week -- a defeat at the Los Angeles Chargers.

He then suffered a back injury in a home win against the New England Patriots that required a trip to the hospital and missed the following game, a loss at the Chicago Bears. After a subpar showing in a blowout loss at the Detroit Lions, McDaniels, general manager Dave Ziegler and offensive coordinator Mick Lombardi were all fired and Garoppolo was benched, with Champ Kelly elevated to interim GM and Antonio Pierce to interim coach. Rookie quarterback Aidan O'Connell replaced Garoppolo for the rest of the season.

Garoppolo saw the field only once more, playing one three-and-out series in Sunday's season finale win against the Denver Broncos.

He finished with 1,205 passing yards, 7 touchdown passes and 9 interceptions, which were leading the league when he was benched. His 65.1 completion percentage was a career low for a season in which he played at least six games, as were his passer rating (77.7) and QBR (34.2). His 5.3 interception percentage was also a career high.

Garoppolo never felt comfortable physically.

"It was tricky," said Garoppolo, whose contract did not become viable until he passed a physical. "It was different than any injury I've had in the past. You don't realize, I mean you're on your feet, obviously, all day, and it's just a little thing that nags you and so it was tough throughout training camp. I can't even lie.

"But we got to a good point where I started to not even notice it really the last couple months. Haven't even thought about it. Rehab went well and I finally feel like myself again. So that's one positive to come out of this -- not going into rehab or surgery this offseason. That's big time.

"The body's feeling great. ... I'm happy with where I'm at right now."

In taking on the new role of mentor to O'Connell, a fourth-round draft pick from Purdue, Garoppolo said he leaned on his own experience with the New England Patriots in 2014.

"I had never really done that before, but I was a rookie quarterback one time in the league and I had guys who helped me out -- Tom [Brady] helped me out, just older dudes in general, and I just felt a responsibility ... it's kind of a quarterback thing," Garoppolo said. "No one really sees the game as the quarterbacks do, so you've got to help each other out a little bit and point them in the right direction. So, I tried to do as much as I could."

O'Connell, under Pierce and with Garoppolo's guidance, went 5-4 and passed for 1,905 yards, 11 TDs and 5 interceptions while completing 61.2% of his attempts.

Pierce commended Garoppolo's "professionalism" in stepping up. The Raiders, meanwhile, saw a culture shift under Pierce, Garoppolo said.

"Whenever you bring in a new coach like that, the energy changes [and] I think guys bought in very quickly," Garoppolo said. "AP, one thing I really appreciate about AP, he's a straight shooter and ... guys in this locker room, that's all you really want in a head coach -- someone who's going to shoot you straight, tell you if you messed up or if you did it right and really not sugarcoat it. And AP, that's how he is. That's how he was from the get-go and I think that's what guys really appreciated. He just kept it real, man. I loved everything about it."

Still, there is an uncertainty regarding Garoppolo's future.

His contract makes him an unlikely trade candidate so if the Raiders, who already cleared space by converting $21.3 million of his existing base salary into a signing bonus, release him, they would absorb a cap hit of $28.3 million for 2024. But if the Raiders do it with a post-June 1 designation, it would allow them to split the hit over two years -- $15.5 million in 2024 and $12.8 million in 2025. His base salary of $11.25 million for 2024 is guaranteed for injury only.

"I'm pretty open," Garoppolo said. "A lot of things are out of my control. I've been in situations like that before, so I've learned, just got to roll with the punches a little bit and whatever happens, I think it all happens for a reason. Just got to make the best of your situation. That's a big part of this whole NFL thing is you're going to be dealt the cards you're dealt, and you've just got to make the best of it.

"I know the player I am and where I stand in this league ... if you don't believe in yourself, no one will. So that's a big part of it. But yeah, just let the chips fall where they may. I've just got to get on the field and start competing again. That's when stuff gets easy. ... It was a weird year, don't get me wrong, but I loved every minute of it."

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
QB publicly uses foot injury to help explain poor play mostly the result of poor decision making that was present throughout his career. Shocker.

I think it's funny we're using this as evidence in an argument about whether he's washed up or not, instead of pointing out that he clearly isn't retiring… which was another argument made in the context of him being washed up. Pretty sure I even offered to bet he wouldn't.

Faithful spent the time from when Jimmy came in until he got hurt with suggestions about bringing him back and if he gets hurt the 22 season would be over. Now the spin is I knew he was washed, 2022 was his worst season and Raiders made a huge mistake.

I spent pages arguing with Furlow that Jimmy wasn't gonna magically turnaround the Raiders defense just by possessing the ball a bit more. Stands to reason a guy who thought Jimmy was washed would've also challenged said belief.

I didn't want Jimmy back, I recognized sometime when 2020 was going down the drain without JG, that we need another QB. We lost 2 of 3 seasons. So we needed someone more reliable. We got a guy who somehow out brittled Jimmy, and all it cost us was 3 ones So when I see great men like KS and JL getting it so wrong in the draft, it makes me rethink my entire approach to team building.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
We'll see, as they say
my suspicion, and I stand by it, is he wants to play. That's said in the article also. So I question if he would willingly sign on for a QB2 hold the clipboard role. No team is making him QB1, on account of he can't get thru a campaign, had a hard time getting thru September, and indeed didn't.

Uh, he didn't not make it through this season because of injury. He was benched for performance. He was turning the ball over at higher rates than any QB since 2016 and his teammates were frustrated. You have unsuccessfully made the argument that the performance was due to injury. You refused to address sampled plays that clearly showed mental mistakes and have offered no evidence to support your position outside of generic comparisons to players like Dalvin Cook.

As a part of this argument you previously suggested he may retire. Now you're suggesting he wants to play. Of course he wants to play. He's not washed up, lol. I would agree teams are unlikely to look to him to be a QB1 for the same reasons we wanted to move on. He's injury prone and he's not good enough. He's a bridge QB at absolute best.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Faithful spent the time from when Jimmy came in until he got hurt with suggestions about bringing him back and if he gets hurt the 22 season would be over. Now the spin is I knew he was washed, 2022 was his worst season and Raiders made a huge mistake.

I spent pages arguing with Furlow that Jimmy wasn't gonna magically turnaround the Raiders defense just by possessing the ball a bit more. Stands to reason a guy who thought Jimmy was washed would've also challenged said belief.

I remember those arguments. I even thought Jimmy could be a solid pickup for the Raiders given their talent on offense and his familiarity with Josh's system. I remember agreeing with you and others that he wouldn't win as much because of their defense.

What's funny is their defense was definitely decent. Jimmy was just not good… and neither was McDaniels. It's not hard to acknowledge that when you don't carry a bias one way or the other.

Thought Jimmy worked here for the most part. Thought we needed to get better at the position. Didn't think Trey was the answer. Thought Jimmy would be more successful with the Raiders than he was. He wasn't. It is what it is. No bias… no need to be right or wrong.