Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Los Angeles Rams

Rams aren't a great DL. They have one elite DL, a solid run stuffer, a middling 2nd pass rusher and poor depth.

If Donald were to get hurt their whole defense would fall apart.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
LMAO. You and YAC just SAID Jimmy should have done more.

And why would you expect a high scoring affair after the THIRD time of just playing each other. A 20-17 game is about what you'd expect after the 3rd time and with 2 really good defenses.

He should've done more. Doesn't mean he's singularly to blame. Blame pie.

Rams secondary outside of Ramsay is awful. Their LBs were awful in coverage. Their weakness perfectly matches our strength. It's why we keep beating them. So yah I expected the team to keep taking advantage of said weaknesses. Alas.

b******t. Not once have you deferred to anything on your new "blame pie" other than the QB doing more earlier in the game. Unless your blame pie is named Jimmy Garoppolo. LOL

It's weird you want to share blame now but Ohio's original post was essentially saying Jimmy should receive no blame. And you agreed with it.

IMO that's as bad or worse than saying it was all Jimmy's fault.

Originally posted by NCommand:
Haha. Obviously. But in a defensive battle against a rival at home, is that even fair or realistic to expect? Id say most fans would just have been happy being within striking distance or having a 3 point lead heading into the 4Q esp. given the state of our OL and 11 yards rushing to that point.

But it's fair to expect a below average secondary to shut the Rams down to less than 17?

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:

Originally posted by Sanfran_chrisco:
interesting watch, thanks

Thanks for vid, Faithful, and Peyton pretty much nailed the situation re: jimmy. He just needs more time with his receivers to get back to where he was en route to playoffs last yr. We were lacking DBs and OLs last yr and fixed the DB situation this spring. OL is a work in progress, but this team is way ,way better with a DB group that just dominates, now giving us studs at DL, LB, & DB. We got all pro types at all 3 parts of our D.

Jimmy is still working his way thru "his OTAs, PS" and still needs another 3,4, maybe 5 games to be ready for his start of his season, since he had no real practice with any WRs prior to 1st qtr of 2nd game. It is amazing he has done this well with essentially no work with WRs this yr, until 2nd qtr game 2. Hopefully some of the OL talent gets it together, but…even against the Rams, he was not sacked. As Peyton notes, his Quick release helped that a ton. To compound the situation, he has 4 new guys on OL at present, making it that much tougher. They have to get better wtih more PT, too.

Sorry doc but we're talking about a veteran QB here. He's had more than enough experience to be able to run this offense. He has the same receivers he had last year. This will be his 4th game this reason. That's more than any QB got in the pre season where more starters barely saw the field.

No more excuses for a veteran QB that was supposed to do exactly what he's being asked to do. Step in in case Trey got injured. Unless he's still not 100% healthy he should be ready.

Catch, other starting QBs had all that time in PS and before in OTAs or whatever to throw to their WRs. Jimmy spent that entire time just trying to get his shoulder loosened up from surgery and then had to relearn all the muscle memory from shoulder to throw. That was all he did. He got ZERO time throwing to his WRs. NONE. So his timing with WRs has been basically 2.75 games and 2 weeks practice. That is way less than the several months starter QBs get with their WRs when you add in practices, and not just PS games.

The fact he has thrown to these guys before doesn't matter. He hasn't thrown to them with a new shoulder. That means every single new nerve fiber, new muscle cell, new scar tissue (hopefully broken up by now) all has to start over when it comes to throwing a football from the new shoulder's standpoint. Basically , except for a couple days after he was signed, his shoulder has thrown for just 2 weeks of routes with his WRs. And THAT is the issue, not having played for 4 yrs before with some of the same WRs.

Same offense, different shoulder.

Originally posted by Waterbear:
It's weird you want to share blame now but Ohio's original post was essentially saying Jimmy should receive no blame. And you agreed with it.

IMO that's as bad or worse than saying it was all Jimmy's fault.

NCommand is the Fox News of the zone. "Fair and Balanced"

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by Waterbear:
It's weird you want to share blame now but Ohio's original post was essentially saying Jimmy should receive no blame. And you agreed with it.

IMO that's as bad or worse than saying it was all Jimmy's fault.

NCommand is the Fox News of the zone. "Fair and Balanced"

You have entered the No Spin Zone

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by Waterbear:
It's weird you want to share blame now but Ohio's original post was essentially saying Jimmy should receive no blame. And you agreed with it.

IMO that's as bad or worse than saying it was all Jimmy's fault.

NCommand is the Fox News of the zone. "Fair and Balanced"

Lmao. this

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Oh and that 2.23 TTT with a clean pocket has nothing to do with whether or not pass pro held up. That just means that the QB was getting the ball out quickly. The TTT under pressure is more relevant when judging pass pro because it gives you an idea of the average time the QB had to throw before pressure got to him. Also, Burford's miscommunication which left Donald unblocked which lead to 1 of those 5 pressures I am sure skewed that TTT under pressure by alot.

2.23 TT renders the pass protection moot. That's a conscious choice by the QB and HC and it's usually done as a result of facing a great DL vs. a leaky and injured OL.

For it to work, Kyle needs to scheme that primary open and the YAC boys need to get open at 2s first.

If that doesn't happen, bad things will follow.

I am not questioning the gameplan. I am just saying that you cannot judge the o line/pass pro based on that time because like you said, it renders the pass rush moot when you can get the ball out in less than 2.3 seconds. A team with a better secondary or a QB that holds on to the ball too long can make pass pro look much worse than it is. So certain stats like TTT under pressure bring better context to the conversation when discussing pass pro .

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by GolittaCamper:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:


but i do speak film... and misses like that will cost us championships.. !

We don't have anyone better…

" You Rather Go w/this MoFo ?? " .... Brady

We don't have anyone better, and we aren't getting anyone better this season…

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by GolittaCamper:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:


but i do speak film... and misses like that will cost us championships.. !

We don't have anyone better…

" You Rather Go w/this MoFo ?? " .... Brady

Moon, it is confirmed that quote has not business in this thread. Despite ppl wanting it to be a hit piece on JG.. like other nonsense we have heard.. I said at the time.. no way TB12 would dog someone he shared a locker room with a won a champ ring with he's got too much class for that.

He was talking about Derek Carr it's locked up is my understanding.

Another season of Aiyuk feeling left out because of Jimmy G.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Haha. Obviously. But in a defensive battle against a rival at home, is that even fair or realistic to expect? Id say most fans would just have been happy being within striking distance or having a 3 point lead heading into the 4Q esp. given the state of our OL and 11 yards rushing to that point.

But it's fair to expect a below average secondary to shut the Rams down to less than 17?

They didn't shut him down at all but were still down big (given the context ATM). I wouldn't expect the secondary to even do that well. I would expect the pass rush to help make it easier on them and close it out like we just saw last weekend.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Oh and that 2.23 TTT with a clean pocket has nothing to do with whether or not pass pro held up. That just means that the QB was getting the ball out quickly. The TTT under pressure is more relevant when judging pass pro because it gives you an idea of the average time the QB had to throw before pressure got to him. Also, Burford's miscommunication which left Donald unblocked which lead to 1 of those 5 pressures I am sure skewed that TTT under pressure by alot.

2.23 TT renders the pass protection moot. That's a conscious choice by the QB and HC and it's usually done as a result of facing a great DL vs. a leaky and injured OL.

For it to work, Kyle needs to scheme that primary open and the YAC boys need to get open at 2s first.

If that doesn't happen, bad things will follow.

I am not questioning the gameplan. I am just saying that you cannot judge the o line/pass pro based on that time because like you said, it renders the pass rush moot when you can get the ball out in less than 2.3 seconds. A team with a better secondary or a QB that holds on to the ball too long can make pass pro look much worse than it is. So certain stats like TTT under pressure bring better context to the conversation when discussing pass pro .

I gotcha. Agreed.

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
LMAO. You and YAC just SAID Jimmy should have done more.

And why would you expect a high scoring affair after the THIRD time of just playing each other. A 20-17 game is about what you'd expect after the 3rd time and with 2 really good defenses.

He should've done more. Doesn't mean he's singularly to blame. Blame pie.

Rams secondary outside of Ramsay is awful. Their LBs were awful in coverage. Their weakness perfectly matches our strength. It's why we keep beating them. So yah I expected the team to keep taking advantage of said weaknesses. Alas.

b******t. Not once have you deferred to anything on your new "blame pie" other than the QB doing more earlier in the game. Unless your blame pie is named Jimmy Garoppolo. LOL

It's weird you want to share blame now but Ohio's original post was essentially saying Jimmy should receive no blame. And you agreed with it.

IMO that's as bad or worse than saying it was all Jimmy's fault.

Ohio's post was referencing a clear losing formula I've noted for you all and it has nothing to do with Jimmy, personally. It applies to ALL QB's. You aren't winning with that formula. You aren't transcending anything with that formula. But the handful of fans in here still somehow expect Jimmy to do that. I think that's not only unrealistic for any QB, but unfair.

Does anyone think Stafford should have transcended the last 5 times he's faced high pressure rates where he's 0-5? Of course not. He's an immobile sitting duck.

But here in the WZ, we do for ours so...

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by Waterbear:
It's weird you want to share blame now but Ohio's original post was essentially saying Jimmy should receive no blame. And you agreed with it.

IMO that's as bad or worse than saying it was all Jimmy's fault.

NCommand is the Fox News of the zone. "Fair and Balanced"

LMAO. That's terrible.