Cassius Marsh thread

Originally posted by MK_Ultra:

Originally posted by GhostOfBaalke:

It's is a lot of faith to predict Solly and buck get 10+ Each as interior rushers. Pita (who never played a defensive snap) gets 5 while marsh somehow gets 8 when he never got anything close to that playing for superior defenses and far superior defensive coaches.

So Idk bro lol. Obviously I wish you're right but doesn't seem likely at all

No way Solly and Buck get 20 sacks. The team would be lucky to get 40 sacks total
Attachou .... 8
Buckner .... 7
Thomas ..... 6
Armstead ... 6
Marsh ........ 5
Others ....... 8 (eg. Blair, Eli, Pita, trade or FA signee, DB & LB blitzes, etc)

This looks far more realistic.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by MK_Ultra:

Originally posted by GhostOfBaalke:

It's is a lot of faith to predict Solly and buck get 10+ Each as interior rushers. Pita (who never played a defensive snap) gets 5 while marsh somehow gets 8 when he never got anything close to that playing for superior defenses and far superior defensive coaches.

So Idk bro lol. Obviously I wish you're right but doesn't seem likely at all

No way Solly and Buck get 20 sacks. The team would be lucky to get 40 sacks total
Attachou .... 8
Buckner .... 7
Thomas ..... 6
Armstead ... 6
Marsh ........ 5
Others ....... 8 (eg. Blair, Eli, Pita, trade or FA signee, DB & LB blitzes, etc)

This looks far more realistic.

Could see Marsh getting 7 and say drop AA to 4. But still, that's 40...and looks easily do able

Breakout season for this guy coming up!!

Originally posted by 808niner4lyphe:

Breakout season for this guy coming up!!

Even if it's 7 sacks. I'll take it and this is his chance

Originally posted by SmokeCrabtrees:

Originally posted by 808niner4lyphe:

Breakout season for this guy coming up!!

Even if it's 7 sacks. I'll take it and this is his chance

I'll take that too

I have been wondering if they ask the ACL boys Street and Taylor to drop some weight and try them outside too.

I hope Marsh does break out, but most likely he won't be a double-digit sack kind of guy. He never had more than 7 sacks in a season in college. He'll be in his 5th year in the NFL this year. Perhaps the experience and time in this system will give him a boost going into this season, but I'm expecting ideally from him to cap out around 8 sacks.

Attaochu on the other hand has the much higher upside of the two. He is also entering his fifth year in the NFL, he is the superior athlete, and he has the stats dating back from college (back to back double-digit sack seasons coming out) to back up that potential. Just hasn't been healthy, missing 25 out of 64 games (about 40% of possible games) in his career so far. If he can finally be healthy with us, I wouldn't be shocked for him to steal a bunch of playing time from Marsh.

The passion and emotion fueling the fire of that competition benefits us either way. Both are trying to earn extensions/pay-days, so it benefits them to ball out for us.

Originally posted by OnTheClock:
I hope Marsh does break out, but most likely he won't be a double-digit sack kind of guy. He never had more than 7 sacks in a season in college. He'll be in his 5th year in the NFL this year. Perhaps the experience and time in this system will give him a boost going into this season, but I'm expecting ideally from him to cap out around 8 sacks.

Attaochu on the other hand has the much higher upside of the two. He is also entering his fifth year in the NFL, he is the superior athlete, and he has the stats dating back from college (back to back double-digit sack seasons coming out) to back up that potential. Just hasn't been healthy, missing 25 out of 64 games (about 40% of possible games) in his career so far. If he can finally be healthy with us, I wouldn't be shocked for him to steal a bunch of playing time from Marsh.

The passion and emotion fueling the fire of that competition benefits us either way. Both are trying to earn extensions/pay-days, so it benefits them to ball out for us.

Agree, I looked up Jerry's stats, man he was a productive college pass rusher.

I can see Jerry and Cassius coming in from the ends, with Buckner and Solomon at DT's - and I think that would give most passing attacks some problems.

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

I hope Marsh does break out, but most likely he won't be a double-digit sack kind of guy. He never had more than 7 sacks in a season in college. He'll be in his 5th year in the NFL this year. Perhaps the experience and time in this system will give him a boost going into this season, but I'm expecting ideally from him to cap out around 8 sacks.

Attaochu on the other hand has the much higher upside of the two. He is also entering his fifth year in the NFL, he is the superior athlete, and he has the stats dating back from college (back to back double-digit sack seasons coming out) to back up that potential. Just hasn't been healthy, missing 25 out of 64 games (about 40% of possible games) in his career so far. If he can finally be healthy with us, I wouldn't be shocked for him to steal a bunch of playing time from Marsh.

The passion and emotion fueling the fire of that competition benefits us either way. Both are trying to earn extensions/pay-days, so it benefits them to ball out for us.

I'm with you. After joining us on November 22nd, Marsh played 189 snaps (3rd down rusher behind base Thomas) to finish the season playing in 6 games. That's about 32 snaps a game or 500 total snaps (half of the annual defensive snaps). During those 189 snaps, he had 10 tackles, 2 sacks and 1 FF.

That puts him in the 5-6 sack range + whatever Solomon Thomas can add. If Thomas can add 6 and both can bring consistent ER pressure, that's solid production from the LEO.

Marsh is 6'3" 265-270 with 32.75" arms and a 7.08 3-cone. You'd like to see sub-7 there for ER's but he's very close. He certainly has a nice first explosive step, good bend and good closing speed (goes for the ball).

Conversely, I'm high on Attaochu as well. And I think he'll be rushing from the strong side on the exact same downs as Marsh. He's much harder to project because we don't know how many snaps he'll get but most likely 350-500 like Marsh.

He has great upside at 6'3" 252 pounds with 33" arms. He clocked in at 4.58 and a 4.63 forty. 37.5 VJ, 7.28 3-cone, 4.64 short shuttle. 1.55, 1.60 ten yard split.

For now, we only have Elvis Dumervil from last year as a reference and he had 6.5 sacks on only 341 total snaps...impressive on so few snaps.

One of Marsh's sacks came on the play that Defo held the left tackle lol.

I'd be surprised if Marsh had more than 3 sacks on the year. I'm setting the line at 3.5 and taking the under.

Originally posted by Heroism:

One of Marsh's sacks came on the play that Defo held the left tackle lol.

I'd be surprised if Marsh had more than 3 sacks on the year. I'm setting the line at 3.5 and taking the under.

Yeah, I'm not sure he'll even get 500 snaps either. He played a ton in that last Rams game so that can skew a small sample size. Probably closer to 350-400 so 3.5 sounds very accurate.

Originally posted by NCommand:
I'm with you. After joining us on November 22nd, Marsh played 189 snaps (3rd down rusher behind base Thomas) to finish the season playing in 6 games. That's about 32 snaps a game or 500 total snaps (half of the annual defensive snaps). During those 189 snaps, he had 10 tackles, 2 sacks and 1 FF.

That puts him in the 5-6 sack range + whatever Solomon Thomas can add. If Thomas can add 6 and both can bring consistent ER pressure, that's solid production from the LEO.

Marsh is 6'3" 265-270 with 32.75" arms and a 7.08 3-cone. You'd like to see sub-7 there for ER's but he's very close. He certainly has a nice first explosive step, good bend and good closing speed (goes for the ball).

Conversely, I'm high on Attaochu as well. And I think he'll be rushing from the strong side on the exact same downs as Marsh. He's much harder to project because we don't know how many snaps he'll get but most likely 350-500 like Marsh.

He has great upside at 6'3" 252 pounds with 33" arms. He clocked in at 4.58 and a 4.63 forty. 37.5 VJ, 7.28 3-cone, 4.64 short shuttle. 1.55, 1.60 ten yard split.

For now, we only have Elvis Dumervil from last year as a reference and he had 6.5 sacks on only 341 total snaps...impressive on so few snaps.

How crazy is it that the most athletically gifted edge player on the team is ELI HAROLD.

Originally posted by Heroism:
How crazy is it that the most athletically gifted edge player on the team is ELI HAROLD.

I think it can be argued that Attaochu is more athletic.

Originally posted by Wodwo:
I think it can be argued that Attaochu is more athletic.

Huh? Can be argued? Athleticism is not subjective. Attouchu's numbers, which were from his pro day, are worse than Eli's.

Here is Eli's spider chart. His 10-yard split is ELITE :



The point is that athleticism doesn't equate to a good edge player. It's important but edge is first and foremost a skill position, and Eli has very little skill.

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by Wodwo:

I think it can be argued that Attaochu is more athletic.

Huh? Can be argued? Athleticism is not subjective. Attouchu's numbers, which were from his pro day, are worse than Eli's.

Here is Eli's spider chart. His 10-yard split is ELITE :



The point is that athleticism doesn't equate to a good edge player. It's important but edge is first and foremost a skill position, and Eli has very little skill.

I remember during the draft process Eli was looked at as a ideal prospect at LEO for Seattle (there's a couple articles floating around about it) one of the main reasons his name got pushed up thru the draft process was based on his athletic ability.