Adam Peters - Commanders GM Thread

Originally posted by Rascal:

There is a reason why Foster fell in the draft. One could argue 31 teams got it right and the 9ers got it wrong. There is a huge price to pay for when you burn a 1st round pick. I don't want to get into the choir boys debate, I will just say this, I am not a huge gambler per se, for me I would have been with the rest of the 31 teams in not picking Foster.

Oh and no more flagged players please as far as possible.

That's such an annoying conclusion, for a start we know from the horses mouth that the Saints were trying to draft him. So that's 30 teams.

There were more who didn't even have a 1st round pick, others that traded up for QB's. I think the only two teams who we know for a fact passed on Foster are the Lions, who took a lesser LB prospect in Jarrd Davies, and the Raiders who had a dire need at the position.

The rest could have just been following their boards, and more concerned about the injury. We just can't know how many teams passed due to character concerns.

During the season this looked like a World Series winning Game 7 walk off Grand Slam. Granted it doesn't look great now, but it was a gamble worth taking.

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
That's such an annoying conclusion, for a start we know from the horses mouth that the Saints were trying to draft him. So that's 30 teams.

There were more who didn't even have a 1st round pick, others that traded up for QB's. I think the only two teams who we know for a fact passed on Foster are the Lions, who took a lesser LB prospect in Jarrd Davies, and the Raiders who had a dire need at the position.

The rest could have just been following their boards, and more concerned about the injury. We just can't know how many teams passed due to character concerns.

During the season this looked like a World Series winning Game 7 walk off Grand Slam. Granted it doesn't look great now, but it was a gamble worth taking.

Stop making up excuses. Who cares whether the Saints wanted to draft him?! If true, then let them be wrong. I am a 9ers fan, all I care is about is the 9ers being right.

Bottom line, Foster is a huge lesson of what not to do. What the 9ers need to do is accept the fact that they fxxked up and learn from it. And none of that arrogant "is a gamble worth taking" nonsense.

Every risk you take, there is a price tag attached to it if it goes wrong. We fxxked up and there is no other way to slice it.

Originally posted by Rascal:

Stop making up excuses. Who cares whether the Saints wanted to draft him?! If true, then let them be wrong. I am a 9ers fan, all I care is about is the 9ers being right.

Bottom line, Foster is a huge lesson of what not to do. What the 9ers need to do is accept the fact that they fxxked up and learn from it. And none of that arrogant "is a gamble worth taking" nonsense.

Every risk you take, there is a price tag attached to it if it goes wrong. We fxxked up and there is no other way to slice it.

Uh, that's why it's called a gamble!!!! We have had enough first round busts that failed, yes it sets the team back but there's a number of reasons people fail.

We got a top 5 talent at 31 because he had issues, we believed we could solve his issues and were right (during the season) now it looks like we were wrong.

It was a calculated risk, that seems, for now, to have backfired. How many Ravens fans wanted Ray Lewis off the team with his early legal struggles? Turned out ok for them didn't it?

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
Uh, that's why it's called a gamble!!!! We have had enough first round busts that failed, yes it sets the team back but there's a number of reasons people fail.

We got a top 5 talent at 31 because he had issues, we believed we could solve his issues and were right (during the season) now it looks like we were wrong.

It was a calculated risk, that seems, for now, to have backfired. How many Ravens fans wanted Ray Lewis off the team with his early legal struggles? Turned out ok for them didn't it?

But seriously with regards to Foster, one could argue even Foster himself tried to help Lynch out by indirectly telling him not to draft him.

Just think about this for a moment, even as late a stage as the combine, the guy still had the audacity to submit a diluted urine sample and getting physical with a medical staff whereby he had to be kicked out and sent home. I mean is it just me or you don't need to be a rocket scientist to work out this dude really has issues?! I mean is like Foster was screaming at Lynch, hey John don't draft me, you will only regret it. And what happened? Lynch still insisted to draft him. That was Lynch's second draft pick with the 9ers after his inauguration speech of "I will rebuild the 49ers with high character guys" only a couple of months before hand. Come on!!

There needs to be some sort of established guidelines on what players you can or cannot take. Otherwise, what happens if Lynch picks another rotten apple again and again? You are just going to sit there and give me the same story about hey listen we took calculated risks, but just too bad?

Give you another example, when Baalke was here, I was never a fan of taking ACL players. Personally, I would rather not take ACL guys if I can help it. Sure, I might miss out on some bargains and gems, but at least I won't set myself up for failures, for example Marcus Lattimore. But, going back to Foster, this is a much bigger deal whenever you involve such a high pick. Is just too much risk. You only have one or two ( that is if you trade up such as in this case) 1st round picks every year, once gone, it affects your roster for the next few years.

Just ask yourself this, when is enough gamble too much gamble? After we have fxxked up 2 x 1st round picks in a row? 3? 4? Tell me, when is enough, enough? Surely, you would have some sort of an approach right? I tell you what, if you have to second guess yourself all the time, then just don't do it.

Originally posted by Rascal:

But seriously with regards to Foster, one could argue even Foster himself tried to help Lynch out by indirectly telling him not to draft him.

Just think about this for a moment, even as late a stage as the combine, the guy still had the audacity to submit a diluted urine sample and getting physical with a medical staff whereby he had to be kicked out and sent home. I mean is it just me or you don't need to be a rocket scientist to work out this dude really has issues?! I mean is like Foster was screaming at Lynch, hey John don't draft me, you will only regret it. And what happened? Lynch still insisted to draft him. That was Lynch's second draft pick with the 9ers after his inauguration speech of "I will rebuild the 49ers with high character guys" only a couple of months before hand. Come on!!

There needs to be some sort of established guidelines on what players you can or cannot take. Otherwise, what happens if Lynch picks another rotten apple again and again? You are just going to sit there and give me the same story about hey listen we took calculated risks, but just too bad?

Give you another example, when Baalke was here, I was never a fan of taking ACL players. Personally, I would rather not take ACL guys if I can help it. Sure, I might miss out on some bargains and gems, but at least I won't set myself up for failures, for example Marcus Lattimore. But, going back to Foster, this is a much bigger deal whenever you involve such a high pick. Is just too much risk. You only have one or two ( that is if you trade up such as in this case) 1st round picks every year, once gone, it affects your roster for the next few years.

Just ask yourself this, when is enough gamble too much gamble? After we have fxxked up 2 x 1st round picks in a row? 3? 4? Tell me, when is enough, enough? Surely, you would have some sort of an approach right? I tell you what, if you have to second guess yourself all the time, then just don't do it.

Look, I know you're hurting, but plenty of teams whiff in the 1st round. Our FO guys unanimously decided Foster was worth it. He has an infectious personality, you could tell from his interview with Solomon that he was like a kid at Xmas.

This may actually be the kind of lesson he needs to finally grow as a person, he might come back a Hall of Famer, he might never play another down of football.

I applaud our guys for taking everything into account and making a judgement call, they had a great first year together and even this blight isn't enough to convince me that we aren't on the right track.

Promote Peters to GM

Originally posted by GMniner805:

Promote Peters to GM

For all of you that want Lynch gone, Peters is probably the one telling Lynch on who to draft

Peters is the one who wanted Foster lmao. Lynch gave him credit for the pick.

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Originally posted by Sunshine:

Peters is the one who wanted Foster lmao. Lynch gave him credit for the pick.

That's something I haven't read but would love to if you can dig it up. Not a challenge, but if Peters is responsible, he should be feeling the heat too.

Adam Peters Wanted Foster From The Get-Go

Originally posted by Rascal:

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
That's such an annoying conclusion, for a start we know from the horses mouth that the Saints were trying to draft him. So that's 30 teams.

There were more who didn't even have a 1st round pick, others that traded up for QB's. I think the only two teams who we know for a fact passed on Foster are the Lions, who took a lesser LB prospect in Jarrd Davies, and the Raiders who had a dire need at the position.

The rest could have just been following their boards, and more concerned about the injury. We just can't know how many teams passed due to character concerns.

During the season this looked like a World Series winning Game 7 walk off Grand Slam. Granted it doesn't look great now, but it was a gamble worth taking.

Stop making up excuses. Who cares whether the Saints wanted to draft him?! If true, then let them be wrong. I am a 9ers fan, all I care is about is the 9ers being right.

Bottom line, Foster is a huge lesson of what not to do. What the 9ers need to do is accept the fact that they fxxked up and learn from it. And none of that arrogant "is a gamble worth taking" nonsense.

Every risk you take, there is a price tag attached to it if it goes wrong. We fxxked up and there is no other way to slice it.

It wasn't an excuse, it was a response to something you stated ... lol.

Originally posted by ninerfan4life:

Originally posted by GMniner805:

Promote Peters to GM

For all of you that want Lynch gone, Peters is probably the one telling Lynch on who to draft

Lol this

How about we fire the FO and start over

leading up to the draft, both of those guys were considered top 5 picks. It isn't crazy that they wanted them, especially foster. It hasn't worked out but that doesn't mean at the time the pick didn't make sense.

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

Some people were just waiting I'm the weeds to start slamming this organization. Foster was a stop five talent last year. The new regime took a risk that burned them ever since the season ended. Hopefully a lesson was learned. Between the actual draft and the final week of the season, there was NO reason to question the decision. With that said, in the future I think they are passing on flagged players.

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I hope so!

No that would be wrong. They have to assess each player individually. They can't just back away from anyone with a parking ticket, or whatever the floor is. Think back to the Charles Haley days. Even my least favourite, Bill Romanowski.These guys are not choir boys but teams need them. You assess the risk and do what you can to mitigate it, then make the decision. Which is I imagine what they did with Foster. The mitigation being the relatively low pick for a top 5 player.

Love that post English, that's exactly what you have to do, I think they might stay away this year though just to be safe, but if you play scared you'll lose.

Shoot , i forgot the diluted urine sample, but when Foster bullies a lowly lab tech or medical assistant...that one caught my eye. All my yrs in medicine, it is rare to see this and when you do...you got a bad actor and just ask them to kindly leave. And if it happens to be at the combine....well, there you have your answer. Don't touch the guy. But was I thinking that way back then? No... I just saw a second first rd pick being gobbled up by us. The cautions went with the wind...and probably that is the way 9er brain trust looked at it...our good luck in landing him. Sheesh.

We all think drafting is so easy. It isn't.

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Originally posted by Sunshine:

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Originally posted by Sunshine:

Peters is the one who wanted Foster lmao. Lynch gave him credit for the pick.

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That's something I haven't read but would love to if you can dig it up. Not a challenge, but if Peters is responsible, he should be feeling the heat too.

Adam Peters Wanted Foster From The Get-Go

Thank you for this....

And it wasn't just Foster, it was Thomas too....

https://www.sfgate.com/49ers/article/Foster-frenzy-49ers-interest-in-ILB-began-11174486.php

So f**k you Adam Peters!

OK, I will be retracting on my idea to promote Adam Peters to GM and Lynch to a better-fit PR/organizational President of Football Operations role.

Damnit...