Alex Smith and the Washington Redskins

Originally posted by Joecool:
I don't value Prescott, Winston, Goff and the other younger QB's very high. Even Cam, I don't value him very high. These guys get everything designed around them to their strengths but come playoff time, they aren't able to keep defenses on their heels once the playoff caliber DC's design a strong game plan to force these QB's to do more than the weekly install. Then they crumble as they have done.

Cam made it the Super Bowl but he isn't necessarily developing new skills to attack defenses in different ways either.

Really, it is so difficult to separate the QB from the offense to rate them. Every one of these guys might do better in Dallas given the receivers, OL and RB they have. Smith looks so much better with Hill this year. I was worried about Maclin leaving but both Hill and other young guys stepped up. Goff fell flat his rookie year but may rise quickly with a much better offensive minded HC, as he did this year.

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Plans change as the game progresses. To blame the score for the lack of offense is ridiculous.

We should make clear that game planning and in game decisions are not the same thing. Reid has the tendency to protect a lead by using short passes (part of his usual game) and running more. In the playoffs that very often backfires, as Shanahan learned in the SB last year. Your failure to acknowledge this really surprises me.

Again, this is categorically false. Reid has been known for abandoning the run game when in positions to protect leads. It has been one of the biggest criticisms of him as a coach.

And as far as the Titans game goes, if the other thread wasnt locked I could find the article that broke down the 2nd half playcalling, and how in no way shape or form was it conservative playcalling. But I am sure it will just be ignored again in favor of a narrative.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Plans change as the game progresses. To blame the score for the lack of offense is ridiculous.

We should make clear that game planning and in game decisions are not the same thing. Reid has the tendency to protect a lead by using short passes (part of his usual game) and running more. In the playoffs that very often backfires, as Shanahan learned in the SB last year. Your failure to acknowledge this really surprises me.

Again, this is categorically false. Reid has been known for abandoning the run game when in positions to protect leads. It has been one of the biggest criticisms of him as a coach.

And as far as the Titans game goes, if the other thread wasnt locked I could find the article that broke down the 2nd half playcalling, and how in no way shape or form was it conservative playcalling. But I am sure it will just be ignored again in favor of a narrative.

So literal...without looking at the big picture. How do you run out a game? Running and throwing short--keeping the ball inbounds and completing a high rate. But as KC couldn't run because their OL was banged up and/or were over matched they were forced to use short passes. What he did not do was stay aggressive. It was obvious watching the game. Was Smith guilty of playing conservatively as well? No doubt, that is how he has been coached to play. As Nolan told him..."Don't lose the game for us!"

Walsh threw short to open up the run game. In KC's case they couldn't run so they threw short passes while continuing to try to test with the run. Walsh actually did this at times as well against really tough run defenses.

You know what's absolutely insane?

From the day Alex was drafted in 2005 and by the end of his contract with Washington, he will accumulate a total of $200 Million in CASH!

Originally posted by Eli_23:
You know what's absolutely insane?

From the day Alex was drafted in 2005 and by the end of his contract with Washington, he will accumulate a total of $200 Million in CASH!

Doing pretty well for himself.

Originally posted by Eli_23:

You know what's absolutely insane?

From the day Alex was drafted in 2005 and by the end of his contract with Washington, he will accumulate a total of $200 Million in CASH!

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Plans change as the game progresses. To blame the score for the lack of offense is ridiculous.

We should make clear that game planning and in game decisions are not the same thing. Reid has the tendency to protect a lead by using short passes (part of his usual game) and running more. In the playoffs that very often backfires, as Shanahan learned in the SB last year. Your failure to acknowledge this really surprises me.

Again, this is categorically false. Reid has been known for abandoning the run game when in positions to protect leads. It has been one of the biggest criticisms of him as a coach.

And as far as the Titans game goes, if the other thread wasnt locked I could find the article that broke down the 2nd half playcalling, and how in no way shape or form was it conservative playcalling. But I am sure it will just be ignored again in favor of a narrative.

So literal...without looking at the big picture. How do you run out a game? Running and throwing short--keeping the ball inbounds and completing a high rate. But as KC couldn't run because their OL was banged up and/or were over matched they were forced to use short passes. What he did not do was stay aggressive. It was obvious watching the game. Was Smith guilty of playing conservatively as well? No doubt, that is how he has been coached to play. As Nolan told him..."Don't lose the game for us!"

Walsh threw short to open up the run game. In KC's case they couldn't run so they threw short passes while continuing to try to test with the run. Walsh actually did this at times as well against really tough run defenses.

Again, I call bull**** on this too. More revisionist history.

The Chiefs had 3 offensive drives in the 2nd half while they had a lead. Kareem Hunt got 4 carries. Four. His yardage on said carries were 9 yards, -1 yard, 7 yards, and 1 yard. Hunt had 4 carries for 16 yards with a lead. That is an average of 4 yards per carry, which is absolutely good enough.

The second half playcalling was not conservative. It would make sense from a general standpoint to assume it was, but it simply was not the case at all.

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by Eli_23:
You know what's absolutely insane?

From the day Alex was drafted in 2005 and by the end of his contract with Washington, he will accumulate a total of $200 Million in CASH!

Happy for the guy! Guess all those hits were worth it...unless he winds up like many with early onset dementia.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Again, I call bull**** on this too. More revisionist history.

The Chiefs had 3 offensive drives in the 2nd half while they had a lead. Kareem Hunt got 4 carries. Four. His yardage on said carries were 9 yards, -1 yard, 7 yards, and 1 yard. Hunt had 4 carries for 16 yards with a lead. That is an average of 4 yards per carry, which is absolutely good enough.

The second half playcalling was not conservative. It would make sense from a general standpoint to assume it was, but it simply was not the case at all.

He had five carries so I guess I should call you names or be rude? YOU WERE WRONG! Wow! 17 yards on five carries. Good enough...for what? Look at the passes they called not just the runs. Short passes. We disagree...you are wrong! Live with it!

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Again, I call bull**** on this too. More revisionist history.

The Chiefs had 3 offensive drives in the 2nd half while they had a lead. Kareem Hunt got 4 carries. Four. His yardage on said carries were 9 yards, -1 yard, 7 yards, and 1 yard. Hunt had 4 carries for 16 yards with a lead. That is an average of 4 yards per carry, which is absolutely good enough.

The second half playcalling was not conservative. It would make sense from a general standpoint to assume it was, but it simply was not the case at all.

He had five carries so I guess I should call you names or be rude? YOU WERE WRONG! Wow! 17 yards on five carries. Good enough...for what? Look at the passes they called not just the runs. Short passes. We disagree...you are wrong! Live with it!

You can call me names or be rude all you want. In this conversation, I have not posted one bit of untrue information. Sorry. You can look it up if you please.

Originally posted by sacniner:

Originally posted by TheHYDE49er:

Originally posted by jeepzilla:

I don't know where Jimmy G should be yet due to the limited amount of games played.

But I think Wentz is to high. His completion % isn't that great, but he does move the ball down the field. And to put Eli in bottom tier is kinda laughable.

Wentz was gonna win MVP before he got injured, so i think he's just fine where he is. Eli, right now, is bad. he's not a good QB anymore.

This. Wentz is a flat out stud.

I graduated from NDSU and like wentz.. still think he's to high on this list.

You have brees, Stafford and Ryan behind him? Really?

No

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Again, I call bull**** on this too. More revisionist history.

The Chiefs had 3 offensive drives in the 2nd half while they had a lead. Kareem Hunt got 4 carries. Four. His yardage on said carries were 9 yards, -1 yard, 7 yards, and 1 yard. Hunt had 4 carries for 16 yards with a lead. That is an average of 4 yards per carry, which is absolutely good enough.

The second half playcalling was not conservative. It would make sense from a general standpoint to assume it was, but it simply was not the case at all.

He had five carries so I guess I should call you names or be rude? YOU WERE WRONG! Wow! 17 yards on five carries. Good enough...for what? Look at the passes they called not just the runs. Short passes. We disagree...you are wrong! Live with it!

You can call me names or be rude all you want. In this conversation, I have not posted one bit of untrue information. Sorry. You can look it up if you please.

"Again, I call Bulls**t!" Sounds rude to me...but then...I tend to be overly polite and timid!

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Again, I call bull**** on this too. More revisionist history.

The Chiefs had 3 offensive drives in the 2nd half while they had a lead. Kareem Hunt got 4 carries. Four. His yardage on said carries were 9 yards, -1 yard, 7 yards, and 1 yard. Hunt had 4 carries for 16 yards with a lead. That is an average of 4 yards per carry, which is absolutely good enough.

The second half playcalling was not conservative. It would make sense from a general standpoint to assume it was, but it simply was not the case at all.

He had five carries so I guess I should call you names or be rude? YOU WERE WRONG! Wow! 17 yards on five carries. Good enough...for what? Look at the passes they called not just the runs. Short passes. We disagree...you are wrong! Live with it!

You can call me names or be rude all you want. In this conversation, I have not posted one bit of untrue information. Sorry. You can look it up if you please.

"Again, I call Bulls**t!" Sounds rude to me...but then...I tend to be overly polite and timid!

I apologize dtg. I shouldnt have said that.

But the point remains. What I have posted has been factual. You can check it if you would like. In the 3 offensive drives the Chiefs had with a lead, Hunt had 4 carries for 16 yards. If Reid was truly being conservative to simply run clock, he would have run the ball more. But Reid has struggled with this his entire coaching career. He simply forgets about the run when he should be using it.

The 2H of the Titans game was not a conservative game plan. Every passing play had multiple medium to deep routes. Just because Alex chose to throw it short (whether due to a pass rush or just due to his conservative nature), does not change the fact that the playcalling was fine. The execution was not.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
I apologize dtg. I shouldnt have said that.

But the point remains. What I have posted has been factual. You can check it if you would like. In the 3 offensive drives the Chiefs had with a lead, Hunt had 4 carries for 16 yards. If Reid was truly being conservative to simply run clock, he would have run the ball more. But Reid has struggled with this his entire coaching career. He simply forgets about the run when he should be using it.

The 2H of the Titans game was not a conservative game plan. Every passing play had multiple medium to deep routes. Just because Alex chose to throw it short (whether due to a pass rush or just due to his conservative nature), does not change the fact that the playcalling was fine. The execution was not.

No problem, we can get testy at times! What I saw was a conservative approach to the second half. Whether it was Smith making decisions or Reid placing emphasis on ball security, they were not as aggressive in the second half...not pushing the ball down the field. Smith had a near perfect first half so I'm not sure why this is out of the realm of possibilities that we disagree so strongly but...it is what it is. We agree on much so no big deal.

The Chiefs lost because their defense couldn't stop Tennessee in the 2nd half...they had no pass rush, so Mariota had time to find targets downfield. Henry wore down a tired defense and it was game over. I don't know what it is about Andy Reid, but when his Chiefs get a big lead, he has a heckuva time calling plays that'll keep them ahead.