Alex Smith and the Washington Redskins

Originally posted by defenderDX:
Past 3 years comparing 15/16 game starting seasons

Cousins

2017: 16/16 - 64.3%, 540 pass attempts, 4,093yds, 7.6avg, 27 TD's, 13 INTs, 93.9 rating
2016: 16/16 - 67.0%, 606 pass attempts, 4,917yds, 8.1avg, 25 TD's, 12 INTs, 97.2 rating
2015: 16/16 - 69.8%, 543 pass attempts, 4,166yds, 7.7avg, 29 TD's, 11 INTs, 101.6 rating

Smith

2017: 15/15 - 67.5%, 505 pass attempts, 4,042yds, 8.0avg, 26 TD's, 5 INT's, 104.7 rating
2016: 15/15 - 67.1%, 489 pass attempts, 3,502yds, 7.2avg, 15 TD's, 8 INT's, 91.2 rating
2015: 16/16 - 65.3%, 470 pass attempts, 3,486yds, 7.4avg, 20 TD's, 7 INT's, 95.4 rating

Alex had the best season of his career and that was the only season that was better than any of Cousins' IMO. If Alex can ball like he did at the beginning of the season and make that MVP case for himself then the trade will be justified. Other than that, Cousins consistently puts up better averages, TD's, and yards. You're more likely to throw more picks with those numbers and attempts as well. Alex consistently has low INT's, but has shown to also have low TD's, yards, averages. But like I said, this was his best season where he maintained low INT's as well as threw high #'s.

Cousins is also averaging 75 more pass attempts per year over that time.

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

DC's OL is much better than KC's. Will that matter?

I don't use PFF but would be interested in DC's line grades. They are a young group and seem to be top five, though the ratings I'm looking at are dated.

C Roullier 24
LG Kouandjio 25
RG Scherff 26
LT Williams 29
RT Moses 26

None are listed as free agents this year so they will have some continuity.

Their OL ranked 29th this past season due to all the injuries they had.

Originally posted by dtg_9er:
DC's OL is much better than KC's. Will that matter?

I don't use PFF but would be interested in DC's line grades. They are a young group and seem to be top five, though the ratings I'm looking at are dated.

C Roullier 24
LG Kouandjio 25
RG Scherff 26
LT Williams 29
RT Moses 26

None are listed as free agents this year so they will have some continuity.

Who is DC? Abbreviations irritate the hell out of me someones. lol

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

DC's OL is much better than KC's. Will that matter?

I don't use PFF but would be interested in DC's line grades. They are a young group and seem to be top five, though the ratings I'm looking at are dated.

C Roullier 24
LG Kouandjio 25
RG Scherff 26
LT Williams 29
RT Moses 26

None are listed as free agents this year so they will have some continuity.

Who is DC? Abbreviations irritate the hell out of me someones. lol

He means "district of Columbia".

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

DC's OL is much better than KC's. Will that matter?

I don't use PFF but would be interested in DC's line grades. They are a young group and seem to be top five, though the ratings I'm looking at are dated.

C Roullier 24
LG Kouandjio 25
RG Scherff 26
LT Williams 29
RT Moses 26

None are listed as free agents this year so they will have some continuity.

Who is DC? Abbreviations irritate the hell out of me someones. lol

He means "district of Columbia".

No— it's DC Comics

Originally posted by teylo31:

Originally posted by NineFourNiner:
https://www.arrowheadpride.com/2018/2/1/16959392/chiefs-fans-thanking-alex-smith-in-a-unique-way

Somewhere, Clay Wendler and his cronies are trying to figure out how they can steal money from this effort and blame it on Smith.

Guy just got 70mil and your donating to his foundation. Eff that

Then there is this:

http://blog.sfgate.com/49ers/2013/02/26/alex-smiths-foundation-held-up-as-a-non-profit-model/

His foundation is help up as a model of how a non-profit organization should function.

If Alex wanted to stay on one team for the long haul, he should have not helped the backup so much. Need to look at it like a business and not as much like a team when you are in the meeting rooms dissecting the playbook or on the field trying to perfect your craft. Be 100% football teammate when you are simply chilling in the locker room talking about bbq recipes and making hangout plans, but don't reveal s**t when it comes to business.

Originally posted by dtg_9er:
DC's OL is much better than KC's. Will that matter?

I don't use PFF but would be interested in DC's line grades. They are a young group and seem to be top five, though the ratings I'm looking at are dated.

C Roullier 24
LG Kouandjio 25
RG Scherff 26
LT Williams 29
RT Moses 26

None are listed as free agents this year so they will have some continuity.

Washington is generally better than KC, though not by a lot. Here is PFF's comparison:

CENTER
W KC
Spencer Long #20 Mitch Morse #30

GUARD
Brandon Scherff #8 Zach Fulton #15
Alex Kuondijo #39 Laurent Duvernay-Tardiff #15

TACKLE
Trent Williams #9 Eric Fisher #38
Morgan Moses #37 Mitchell Schwartz #18

Washington has a big edge at LT and center. (Long's ratings were hurt by having played hurt much of the time until he went on IR. UFA in 2018)

Scherff is a stud at guard but LDT is not too shabby either. Fulton is better than the Kuondijo but not by much overall. On balance I would call it even.

Football outsiders ranks Was lower, largely because they were so banged up last year.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Their OL ranked 29th this past season due to all the injuries they had.

Wow! Thanks, my data was from summer of 2017, reporting 2016 grades, with much the same line...they were top ten in almost every rating I looked at. So many injuries for such a young line. Or were the players I listed backups?

At any rate, the DC line looks to be better than KC's line was last year.

Originally posted by Kolohe:
Who is DC? Abbreviations irritate the hell out of me someones. lol

Being politically correct! DC is shorter than Washington, DC.

Jon Gruden needs to help out his bro by sending Crabtree to Washington. Have a former Niners reunion.

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by dtg_9er:
DC's OL is much better than KC's. Will that matter?

I don't use PFF but would be interested in DC's line grades. They are a young group and seem to be top five, though the ratings I'm looking at are dated.

C Roullier 24
LG Kouandjio 25
RG Scherff 26
LT Williams 29
RT Moses 26

None are listed as free agents this year so they will have some continuity.

Washington is generally better than KC, though not by a lot. Here is PFF's comparison:

CENTER
W KC
Spencer Long #20 Mitch Morse #30

GUARD
Brandon Scherff #8 Zach Fulton #15
Alex Kuondijo #39 Laurent Duvernay-Tardiff #15

TACKLE
Trent Williams #9 Eric Fisher #38
Morgan Moses #37 Mitchell Schwartz #18

Washington has a big edge at LT and center. (Long's ratings were hurt by having played hurt much of the time until he went on IR. UFA in 2018)

Scherff is a stud at guard but LDT is not too shabby either. Fulton is better than the Kuondijo but not by much overall. On balance I would call it even.

Football outsiders ranks Was lower, largely because they were so banged up last year.

Thanks! LT and center are key and I disagree with ranking Morse at #30. That must have been due to injury.

Originally posted by qnnhan7:
Jon Gruden needs to help out his bro by sending Crabtree to Washington. Have a former Niners reunion.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by defenderDX:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by sacniner:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by sacniner:
They are pretty dang close

I think the difference will become pretty evident once Cousins gets to experience luxuries like having a run game and a defense that isn't routinely bad.

Well you also think you know everything lol. I still like you though. And I guess we'll see... not sure how one can say with certainty that cousins is leaps and bounds better than smith right now. It's a close call. That's a logical statement

Smith's 2017 was better than any season by Cousins.

sarcasm?

Nah, that is what the stats tell me, check for yourself.

Edit: I see you did. Which of Kirk's seasons were better than Smith's 2017?

I think they are both above average qbs.

all of the seasons he started except for this season Kirk's were better. Especially the season where Alex threw only 15 TD's in like 15 games.

Originally posted by qnnhan7:

Originally posted by defenderDX:
Past 3 years comparing 15/16 game starting seasons

Cousins

2017: 16/16 - 64.3%, 540 pass attempts, 4,093yds, 7.6avg, 27 TD's, 13 INTs, 93.9 rating
2016: 16/16 - 67.0%, 606 pass attempts, 4,917yds, 8.1avg, 25 TD's, 12 INTs, 97.2 rating
2015: 16/16 - 69.8%, 543 pass attempts, 4,166yds, 7.7avg, 29 TD's, 11 INTs, 101.6 rating

Smith

2017: 15/15 - 67.5%, 505 pass attempts, 4,042yds, 8.0avg, 26 TD's, 5 INT's, 104.7 rating
2016: 15/15 - 67.1%, 489 pass attempts, 3,502yds, 7.2avg, 15 TD's, 8 INT's, 91.2 rating
2015: 16/16 - 65.3%, 470 pass attempts, 3,486yds, 7.4avg, 20 TD's, 7 INT's, 95.4 rating

Alex had the best season of his career and that was the only season that was better than any of Cousins' IMO. If Alex can ball like he did at the beginning of the season and make that MVP case for himself then the trade will be justified. Other than that, Cousins consistently puts up better averages, TD's, and yards. You're more likely to throw more picks with those numbers and attempts as well. Alex consistently has low INT's, but has shown to also have low TD's, yards, averages. But like I said, this was his best season where he maintained low INT's as well as threw high #'s.

Makes me wonder how much of the numbers for Cousins were in garbage times or rhythm pass playcalling to catch up in scoring. With KC, they don't usually abandon the run and play pass to catchup often. Having a running game takes away some of the attempts from any qb.

Not much difference in numbers between the 2 guys. The one that stands out is the INT category. Cousins double digits INT to get to those numbers, while Smith got his with only single digit INTs.

From what I've seen of Cousins, he not a quick decision maker. Very average athletic talent. If he can improve on his decision making quicker, he can be very good. Smith more mobile and quicker, more sound decision maker.

The only time Smith had better numbers than Cousins in regards to the bold was this past season.

I'd say Alex's feet are quicker, but still takes his eyes off down the field and can still get happy feet too easily.

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by defenderDX:
Past 3 years comparing 15/16 game starting seasons

Cousins

2017: 16/16 - 64.3%, 540 pass attempts, 4,093yds, 7.6avg, 27 TD's, 13 INTs, 93.9 rating
2016: 16/16 - 67.0%, 606 pass attempts, 4,917yds, 8.1avg, 25 TD's, 12 INTs, 97.2 rating
2015: 16/16 - 69.8%, 543 pass attempts, 4,166yds, 7.7avg, 29 TD's, 11 INTs, 101.6 rating

Smith

2017: 15/15 - 67.5%, 505 pass attempts, 4,042yds, 8.0avg, 26 TD's, 5 INT's, 104.7 rating
2016: 15/15 - 67.1%, 489 pass attempts, 3,502yds, 7.2avg, 15 TD's, 8 INT's, 91.2 rating
2015: 16/16 - 65.3%, 470 pass attempts, 3,486yds, 7.4avg, 20 TD's, 7 INT's, 95.4 rating

Alex had the best season of his career and that was the only season that was better than any of Cousins' IMO. If Alex can ball like he did at the beginning of the season and make that MVP case for himself then the trade will be justified. Other than that, Cousins consistently puts up better averages, TD's, and yards. You're more likely to throw more picks with those numbers and attempts as well. Alex consistently has low INT's, but has shown to also have low TD's, yards, averages. But like I said, this was his best season where he maintained low INT's as well as threw high #'s.

Cousins is also averaging 75 more pass attempts per year over that time.

yep that's why I included them