Alex Smith and the Washington Redskins

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by dj43:
The main difference between the two was that Luck managed five excellent years before debilitating injuries began to occur while Smith lost his fastball to the shoulder injury before he ever got a chance to work with anyone that knew what an NFL offense should look like.

I find it odd/funny that you highlight the fact that Luck got to work with Arians for 12 whole games (and said he was fortunate to do so), and then say that Smith never got to work with good offensive coaches....when he got to work with either Mike McCarthy or Norv Turner for 2 full seasons.

Very biased post dj.

The Colts had FAR more talent than the 2006 49ers, or the 2007, or 08.

McCarthy was way overrated. That has been proven by how stale the GB offense became over the years. Turner was better but he didn't have anything like what the Colts had with Arians.

However, the key point is; Luck had a very good offensive OC/HC that was able to put Luck in a good situation with an aggressive mindset. Even though it was only one full season, it had a strong positive influence on Luck. Arians mettle has been proven over the years. Smith, OTOH.....

Originally posted by sacniner:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Both Luck and Alex Smith were disappointments of #1 overall picks. Luck because of the lack of longevity. Smith because....well....you guys know.

The resurrection that Smith had from being that disappointment is legendary. From Ryan Leaf to MVP candidate. From Ryan Leaf to taking a bottom tier roster to an NFC East division title. From getting benched for Kap and then proving he was way better to every unbiased expert. From being valued lower than Kirk Cousins and then proving he was way better to every unbiased expert. What a warrior. What a savage. Perseverance. Heart. Loyalty. Balls. True man.

Wow, hell of a story. Alex Smith, a true Niner that all real fans miss.

Luck's career was sadly defined by a franchise that never gave him the roster and structure he needed. His weird owner and GM screwed NFL fans over. Really unfortunate. He's a first ballot HOFer type of talent

wait so I'm not a REAL 49er fan if I don't miss Alex? LOL

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
LOL. You should be a writer.

I loved the part, all TRUE niner fans miss, lol. So basically 99% of niner fans arent real fans bc they dont miss Alex.

the comedian of the Webzone, by far.

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by dj43:
The main difference between the two was that Luck managed five excellent years before debilitating injuries began to occur while Smith lost his fastball to the shoulder injury before he ever got a chance to work with anyone that knew what an NFL offense should look like.

I find it odd/funny that you highlight the fact that Luck got to work with Arians for 12 whole games (and said he was fortunate to do so), and then say that Smith never got to work with good offensive coaches....when he got to work with either Mike McCarthy or Norv Turner for 2 full seasons.

Very biased post dj.

The Colts had FAR more talent than the 2006 49ers, or the 2007, or 08.

McCarthy was way overrated. That has been proven by how stale the GB offense became over the years. Turner was better but he didn't have anything like what the Colts had with Arians.

However, the key point is; Luck had a very good offensive OC/HC that was able to put Luck in a good situation with an aggressive mindset. Even though it was only one full season, it had a strong positive influence on Luck. Arians mettle has been proven over the years. Smith, OTOH.....

The Colts did NOT have far more talent than the 06-08 Niners. Andrew Luck's team was awful. Awful. At the very least, Alex had a Hall of Fame running back and a generational talent at TE, and one of the best left tackles the 49ers have ever had to lean on. Luck had Reggie Wayne for one season before injuries took their toll, one of the worst offensive lines in recent football history, and absolutely zero running game.

I know this is the Alex Smith thread, so excuses for him will be running rampant. But every single excuse used for Alex Smith in his early time in SF can be used for Andrew Luck, yet somehow Luck was able to put up great stats and lead his team to the playoffs. Luck took over a 2 win team and had that team in the playoffs each of the next 3 years.

I'm going to step in and resolve this by explaining how this will go:

• Now someone counters SWH, possibly in a condescending fashion.
• In the meantime, other people who dislike Smith pile on.
• SWH responds to the counter with hyperbole.
• Others on each "side" pile on further.
• Arguments are re-hashed.
• Mods step in an give verbal warnings.
• Things mellow for a bit.
• Someone pipes up with a mildly positive comment about Smith or a negative one about him.
• Repeat all of the above.

Originally posted by NineFourNiner:
I'm going to step in and resolve this by explaining how this will go:

• Now someone counters SWH, possibly in a condescending fashion.
• In the meantime, other people who dislike Smith pile on.
• SWH responds to the counter with hyperbole.
• Others on each "side" pile on further.
• Arguments are re-hashed.
• Mods step in an give verbal warnings.
• Things mellow for a bit.
• Someone pipes up with a mildly positive comment about Smith or a negative one about him.
• Repeat all of the above.

Havent been warned for years nor been accused of using hyperbole. But ok.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by NineFourNiner:
I'm going to step in and resolve this by explaining how this will go:

• Now someone counters SWH, possibly in a condescending fashion.
• In the meantime, other people who dislike Smith pile on.
• SWH responds to the counter with hyperbole.
• Others on each "side" pile on further.
• Arguments are re-hashed.
• Mods step in an give verbal warnings.
• Things mellow for a bit.
• Someone pipes up with a mildly positive comment about Smith or a negative one about him.
• Repeat all of the above.

Havent been warned for years nor been accused of using hyperbole. But ok.

I've referenced your regular use of hyperbole many times in this thread.
Verbal warnings of many in this thread - not exclusive to you - are easily located. Sorry if you took that bit personally. It was intended to refer to the general warning that mods give in here when the thread heats up.
Anyhow, it seems that you missed the point: This thread is a useless circle-jerk with posts from the same 5-6 people about the same old s**t. Nothing changes. I wish it was locked.

Originally posted by NineFourNiner:

I'm going to step in and resolve this by explaining how this will go:

• Now someone counters SWH, possibly in a condescending fashion.
• In the meantime, other people who dislike Smith pile on.
• SWH responds to the counter with hyperbole.
• Others on each "side" pile on further.
• Arguments are re-hashed.
• Mods step in an give verbal warnings.
• Things mellow for a bit.
• Someone pipes up with a mildly positive comment about Smith or a negative one about him.
• Repeat all of the above.

Wheres your role in this? Youre one of the top posters in this thread. You must have one.

You calling me out for hyperbole is often times you just disagreeing and falsely labeling my post. It is what it is.

You dont have to come in here if you dont want to. Its not a requirement as a member of this site. Some of us like posting in here.

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

Originally posted by NineFourNiner:
I'm going to step in and resolve this by explaining how this will go:

• Now someone counters SWH, possibly in a condescending fashion.
• In the meantime, other people who dislike Smith pile on.
• SWH responds to the counter with hyperbole.
• Others on each "side" pile on further.
• Arguments are re-hashed.
• Mods step in an give verbal warnings.
• Things mellow for a bit.
• Someone pipes up with a mildly positive comment about Smith or a negative one about him.
• Repeat all of the above.

Wheres your role in this? Youre one of the top posters in this thread. You must have one.

If you've noticed, I don't post much any more in here. Generally just pop in to laugh and shake my head at the b******t. It's pointless to try to have a legitimate conversation about Smith's injury or future here.

That said, I've been part of the bolded in the past. Is that what you were looking for?

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
You calling me out for hyperbole is often times you just disagreeing and falsely labeling my post. It is what it is.

You dont have to come in here if you dont want to. Its not a requirement as a member of this site. Some of us like posting in here.

ok. Thanks.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by dj43:
The main difference between the two was that Luck managed five excellent years before debilitating injuries began to occur while Smith lost his fastball to the shoulder injury before he ever got a chance to work with anyone that knew what an NFL offense should look like.

I find it odd/funny that you highlight the fact that Luck got to work with Arians for 12 whole games (and said he was fortunate to do so), and then say that Smith never got to work with good offensive coaches....when he got to work with either Mike McCarthy or Norv Turner for 2 full seasons.

Very biased post dj.

The Colts had FAR more talent than the 2006 49ers, or the 2007, or 08.

McCarthy was way overrated. That has been proven by how stale the GB offense became over the years. Turner was better but he didn't have anything like what the Colts had with Arians.

However, the key point is; Luck had a very good offensive OC/HC that was able to put Luck in a good situation with an aggressive mindset. Even though it was only one full season, it had a strong positive influence on Luck. Arians mettle has been proven over the years. Smith, OTOH.....

The Colts did NOT have far more talent than the 06-08 Niners. Andrew Luck's team was awful. Awful. At the very least, Alex had a Hall of Fame running back and a generational talent at TE, and one of the best left tackles the 49ers have ever had to lean on. Luck had Reggie Wayne for one season before injuries took their toll, one of the worst offensive lines in recent football history, and absolutely zero running game.

I know this is the Alex Smith thread, so excuses for him will be running rampant. But every single excuse used for Alex Smith in his early time in SF can be used for Andrew Luck, yet somehow Luck was able to put up great stats and lead his team to the playoffs. Luck took over a 2 win team and had that team in the playoffs each of the next 3 years.

Andrew Luck was a top 10 QB. maybe higher. him and Alex shouldn't even be considered in the same category. Luck just had that "it" factor and was a stud. Alex is a solid QB, but they shouldn't be compared. Alex is a GOOD QB, but Luck was much better.

Originally posted by NineFourNiner:

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

Originally posted by NineFourNiner:

I'm going to step in and resolve this by explaining how this will go:

• Now someone counters SWH, possibly in a condescending fashion.
• In the meantime, other people who dislike Smith pile on.
• SWH responds to the counter with hyperbole.
• Others on each "side" pile on further.
• Arguments are re-hashed.
• Mods step in an give verbal warnings.
• Things mellow for a bit.
• Someone pipes up with a mildly positive comment about Smith or a negative one about him.
• Repeat all of the above.

Wheres your role in this? Youre one of the top posters in this thread. You must have one.

If you've noticed, I don't post much any more in here. Generally just pop in to laugh and shake my head at the b******t. It's pointless to try to have a legitimate conversation about Smith's injury or future here.

That said, I've been part of the bolded in the past. Is that what you were looking for?

No, your part is more calling out other posters and then more b******t starts bc of it.

Like right now

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

Originally posted by NineFourNiner:

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

Originally posted by NineFourNiner:
I'm going to step in and resolve this by explaining how this will go:

• Now someone counters SWH, possibly in a condescending fashion.
• In the meantime, other people who dislike Smith pile on.
• SWH responds to the counter with hyperbole.
• Others on each "side" pile on further.
• Arguments are re-hashed.
• Mods step in an give verbal warnings.
• Things mellow for a bit.
• Someone pipes up with a mildly positive comment about Smith or a negative one about him.
• Repeat all of the above.

Wheres your role in this? Youre one of the top posters in this thread. You must have one.

If you've noticed, I don't post much any more in here. Generally just pop in to laugh and shake my head at the b******t. It's pointless to try to have a legitimate conversation about Smith's injury or future here.

That said, I've been part of the bolded in the past. Is that what you were looking for?

No, your part is more calling out other posters and then more b******t starts bc of it.

Like right now

*Sigh* This is why this thread sucks. Why bother asking me if you don't want to read my answer because you have already made up your mind?

The point of my post was not to call out other posters but simply to bring attention to the pattern of this thread and how useless and pointless it has become. It seems that was lost. Every discussion in here goes the same way. This one is no exception.

Originally posted by defenderDX:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by dj43:
The main difference between the two was that Luck managed five excellent years before debilitating injuries began to occur while Smith lost his fastball to the shoulder injury before he ever got a chance to work with anyone that knew what an NFL offense should look like.

I find it odd/funny that you highlight the fact that Luck got to work with Arians for 12 whole games (and said he was fortunate to do so), and then say that Smith never got to work with good offensive coaches....when he got to work with either Mike McCarthy or Norv Turner for 2 full seasons.

Very biased post dj.

The Colts had FAR more talent than the 2006 49ers, or the 2007, or 08.

McCarthy was way overrated. That has been proven by how stale the GB offense became over the years. Turner was better but he didn't have anything like what the Colts had with Arians.

However, the key point is; Luck had a very good offensive OC/HC that was able to put Luck in a good situation with an aggressive mindset. Even though it was only one full season, it had a strong positive influence on Luck. Arians mettle has been proven over the years. Smith, OTOH.....

The Colts did NOT have far more talent than the 06-08 Niners. Andrew Luck's team was awful. Awful. At the very least, Alex had a Hall of Fame running back and a generational talent at TE, and one of the best left tackles the 49ers have ever had to lean on. Luck had Reggie Wayne for one season before injuries took their toll, one of the worst offensive lines in recent football history, and absolutely zero running game.

I know this is the Alex Smith thread, so excuses for him will be running rampant. But every single excuse used for Alex Smith in his early time in SF can be used for Andrew Luck, yet somehow Luck was able to put up great stats and lead his team to the playoffs. Luck took over a 2 win team and had that team in the playoffs each of the next 3 years.

Andrew Luck was a top 10 QB. maybe higher. him and Alex shouldn't even be considered in the same category. Luck just had that "it" factor and was a stud. Alex is a solid QB, but they shouldn't be compared. Alex is a GOOD QB, but Luck was much better.

OK. Enough. I take back all the good stuff I ever said about Smith, along with all the bad stuff I said about Nolan and Hostler and Singletary and all of that.

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