Pat Mahomes and the Kansas City Swifties Thread

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
They aren't worried Mahomes might play like a rookie. They aren't going to use Alex's one good season (production wise) in 13 years as a measuring stick for a player in his 2nd year, first year starting (like some did when we dumped him, even though our young QB was on par with, or better than Alex until our roster fell to the bottom of NFL). I think they get it could happen and have accepted it.

The fact is they moved on from Alex. They realized they aren't winning anything with him, like we did. They finally got his career year out of him, but it was too late. He had already wasted that defenses best years. That kind of season isn't happening again anyways. Expecting a 13 year player to duplicate an outlier year just isn't happening. Not even the Jets fell for that with Fitz going into the 2016 season.

Mahomes may not be a franchise QB, but neither is Alex. The guy we moved on to wasn't a franchise QB, but he had success on good rosters (more than Alex has with good rosters) and we ended up with Jimmy G. You never give yourself a chance to have a Jimmy G if you hold onto an Alex. It's time to get over him, there's nothing special about a guy that takes 13 years to become an ok QB.

Hmm...how did NE get JG?

Do they really have him

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
They aren't worried Mahomes might play like a rookie. They aren't going to use Alex's one good season (production wise) in 13 years as a measuring stick for a player in his 2nd year, first year starting (like some did when we dumped him, even though our young QB was on par with, or better than Alex until our roster fell to the bottom of NFL). I think they get it could happen and have accepted it.

The fact is they moved on from Alex. They realized they aren't winning anything with him, like we did. They finally got his career year out of him, but it was too late. He had already wasted that defenses best years. That kind of season isn't happening again anyways. Expecting a 13 year player to duplicate an outlier year just isn't happening. Not even the Jets fell for that with Fitz going into the 2016 season.

Mahomes may not be a franchise QB, but neither is Alex. The guy we moved on to wasn't a franchise QB, but he had success on good rosters (more than Alex has with good rosters) and we ended up with Jimmy G. You never give yourself a chance to have a Jimmy G if you hold onto an Alex. It's time to get over him, there's nothing special about a guy that takes 13 years to become an ok QB.

Hmm...how did NE get JG?

Do they really have him

Umm...they did...you recall last year's trade?

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
They aren't worried Mahomes might play like a rookie. They aren't going to use Alex's one good season (production wise) in 13 years as a measuring stick for a player in his 2nd year, first year starting (like some did when we dumped him, even though our young QB was on par with, or better than Alex until our roster fell to the bottom of NFL). I think they get it could happen and have accepted it.

The fact is they moved on from Alex. They realized they aren't winning anything with him, like we did. They finally got his career year out of him, but it was too late. He had already wasted that defenses best years. That kind of season isn't happening again anyways. Expecting a 13 year player to duplicate an outlier year just isn't happening. Not even the Jets fell for that with Fitz going into the 2016 season.

Mahomes may not be a franchise QB, but neither is Alex. The guy we moved on to wasn't a franchise QB, but he had success on good rosters (more than Alex has with good rosters) and we ended up with Jimmy G. You never give yourself a chance to have a Jimmy G if you hold onto an Alex. It's time to get over him, there's nothing special about a guy that takes 13 years to become an ok QB.

Hmm...how did NE get JG?

Do they really have him

Umm...they did...you recall last year's trade?

oh so they still have him ?

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
They aren't worried Mahomes might play like a rookie. They aren't going to use Alex's one good season (production wise) in 13 years as a measuring stick for a player in his 2nd year, first year starting (like some did when we dumped him, even though our young QB was on par with, or better than Alex until our roster fell to the bottom of NFL). I think they get it could happen and have accepted it.

The fact is they moved on from Alex. They realized they aren't winning anything with him, like we did. They finally got his career year out of him, but it was too late. He had already wasted that defenses best years. That kind of season isn't happening again anyways. Expecting a 13 year player to duplicate an outlier year just isn't happening. Not even the Jets fell for that with Fitz going into the 2016 season.

Mahomes may not be a franchise QB, but neither is Alex. The guy we moved on to wasn't a franchise QB, but he had success on good rosters (more than Alex has with good rosters) and we ended up with Jimmy G. You never give yourself a chance to have a Jimmy G if you hold onto an Alex. It's time to get over him, there's nothing special about a guy that takes 13 years to become an ok QB.

Hmm...how did NE get JG?

Do they really have him

Umm...they did...you recall last year's trade?

oh so they still have him ?

Verb said you "never give yourself a chance to have a Jimmy G if you hold onto an Alex." The Patriots did not have an Alex, they had Brady. Yet they still gave themselves a chance to get a Jimmy G, and got him. Lol

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
They aren't worried Mahomes might play like a rookie. They aren't going to use Alex's one good season (production wise) in 13 years as a measuring stick for a player in his 2nd year, first year starting (like some did when we dumped him, even though our young QB was on par with, or better than Alex until our roster fell to the bottom of NFL). I think they get it could happen and have accepted it.

The fact is they moved on from Alex. They realized they aren't winning anything with him, like we did. They finally got his career year out of him, but it was too late. He had already wasted that defenses best years. That kind of season isn't happening again anyways. Expecting a 13 year player to duplicate an outlier year just isn't happening. Not even the Jets fell for that with Fitz going into the 2016 season.

Mahomes may not be a franchise QB, but neither is Alex. The guy we moved on to wasn't a franchise QB, but he had success on good rosters (more than Alex has with good rosters) and we ended up with Jimmy G. You never give yourself a chance to have a Jimmy G if you hold onto an Alex. It's time to get over him, there's nothing special about a guy that takes 13 years to become an ok QB.

Hmm...how did NE get JG?

Do they really have him

Umm...they did...you recall last year's trade?

oh so they still have him ?

Verb said you "never give yourself a chance to have a Jimmy G if you hold onto an Alex." The Patriots did not have an Alex, they had Brady. Yet they still gave themselves a chance to get a Jimmy G, and got him. Lol

i'm pretty sure you guys know what he's talking about, but want to be silly

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

They aren't worried Mahomes might play like a rookie. They aren't going to use Alex's one good season (production wise) in 13 years as a measuring stick for a player in his 2nd year, first year starting (like some did when we dumped him, even though our young QB was on par with, or better than Alex until our roster fell to the bottom of NFL). I think they get it could happen and have accepted it.

The fact is they moved on from Alex. They realized they aren't winning anything with him, like we did. They finally got his career year out of him, but it was too late. He had already wasted that defenses best years. That kind of season isn't happening again anyways. Expecting a 13 year player to duplicate an outlier year just isn't happening. Not even the Jets fell for that with Fitz going into the 2016 season.

Mahomes may not be a franchise QB, but neither is Alex. The guy we moved on to wasn't a franchise QB, but he had success on good rosters (more than Alex has with good rosters) and we ended up with Jimmy G. You never give yourself a chance to have a Jimmy G if you hold onto an Alex. It's time to get over him, there's nothing special about a guy that takes 13 years to become an ok QB.

Hmm...how did NE get JG?

Do they really have him

Umm...they did...you recall last year's trade?

oh so they still have him ?

Verb said you "never give yourself a chance to have a Jimmy G if you hold onto an Alex." The Patriots did not have an Alex, they had Brady. Yet they still gave themselves a chance to get a Jimmy G, and got him. Lol

i'm pretty sure you guys know what he's talking about, but want to be silly

No, we don't. Well, he's saying better to be a losing team than a winning team that falls short. But ask the fans of perennial losing teams like the Browns how they feel. The majority of fans prefer winning versus fantasizing about getting the next "franchise QB."

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
They aren't worried Mahomes might play like a rookie. They aren't going to use Alex's one good season (production wise) in 13 years as a measuring stick for a player in his 2nd year, first year starting (like some did when we dumped him, even though our young QB was on par with, or better than Alex until our roster fell to the bottom of NFL). I think they get it could happen and have accepted it.

The fact is they moved on from Alex. They realized they aren't winning anything with him, like we did. They finally got his career year out of him, but it was too late. He had already wasted that defenses best years. That kind of season isn't happening again anyways. Expecting a 13 year player to duplicate an outlier year just isn't happening. Not even the Jets fell for that with Fitz going into the 2016 season.

Mahomes may not be a franchise QB, but neither is Alex. The guy we moved on to wasn't a franchise QB, but he had success on good rosters (more than Alex has with good rosters) and we ended up with Jimmy G. You never give yourself a chance to have a Jimmy G if you hold onto an Alex. It's time to get over him, there's nothing special about a guy that takes 13 years to become an ok QB.

Hmm...how did NE get JG?

Do they really have him

Umm...they did...you recall last year's trade?

oh so they still have him ?

Verb said you "never give yourself a chance to have a Jimmy G if you hold onto an Alex." The Patriots did not have an Alex, they had Brady. Yet they still gave themselves a chance to get a Jimmy G, and got him. Lol

i'm pretty sure you guys know what he's talking about, but want to be silly

No, we don't. Well, he's saying better to be a losing team than a winning team that falls short. But ask the fans of perennial losing teams like the Browns how they feel. The majority of fans prefer winning versus fantasizing about getting the next "franchise QB."

no, he's saying its better to cut ties then staying with someone who can't take you any further. Because of you stay with him you will not get a QB who can take you further

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

They aren't worried Mahomes might play like a rookie. They aren't going to use Alex's one good season (production wise) in 13 years as a measuring stick for a player in his 2nd year, first year starting (like some did when we dumped him, even though our young QB was on par with, or better than Alex until our roster fell to the bottom of NFL). I think they get it could happen and have accepted it.

The fact is they moved on from Alex. They realized they aren't winning anything with him, like we did. They finally got his career year out of him, but it was too late. He had already wasted that defenses best years. That kind of season isn't happening again anyways. Expecting a 13 year player to duplicate an outlier year just isn't happening. Not even the Jets fell for that with Fitz going into the 2016 season.

Mahomes may not be a franchise QB, but neither is Alex. The guy we moved on to wasn't a franchise QB, but he had success on good rosters (more than Alex has with good rosters) and we ended up with Jimmy G. You never give yourself a chance to have a Jimmy G if you hold onto an Alex. It's time to get over him, there's nothing special about a guy that takes 13 years to become an ok QB.

Hmm...how did NE get JG?

Do they really have him

Umm...they did...you recall last year's trade?

oh so they still have him ?

Verb said you "never give yourself a chance to have a Jimmy G if you hold onto an Alex." The Patriots did not have an Alex, they had Brady. Yet they still gave themselves a chance to get a Jimmy G, and got him. Lol

i'm pretty sure you guys know what he's talking about, but want to be silly

No, we don't. Well, he's saying better to be a losing team than a winning team that falls short. But ask the fans of perennial losing teams like the Browns how they feel. The majority of fans prefer winning versus fantasizing about getting the next "franchise QB."

no, he's saying its better to cut ties then staying with someone who can't take you any further. Because of you stay with him you will not get a QB who can take you further

Except the Patriots getting JG disproves that silly myth. Packers getting Rodgers while having Farve. Niners got Steve Young while having Montana. Colts got Luck while having Manning. Chargers got Rivers while having Brees. Many more examples.

It's simply a loser mentality to prefer losing so you can draft higher.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
They aren't worried Mahomes might play like a rookie. They aren't going to use Alex's one good season (production wise) in 13 years as a measuring stick for a player in his 2nd year, first year starting (like some did when we dumped him, even though our young QB was on par with, or better than Alex until our roster fell to the bottom of NFL). I think they get it could happen and have accepted it.

The fact is they moved on from Alex. They realized they aren't winning anything with him, like we did. They finally got his career year out of him, but it was too late. He had already wasted that defenses best years. That kind of season isn't happening again anyways. Expecting a 13 year player to duplicate an outlier year just isn't happening. Not even the Jets fell for that with Fitz going into the 2016 season.

Mahomes may not be a franchise QB, but neither is Alex. The guy we moved on to wasn't a franchise QB, but he had success on good rosters (more than Alex has with good rosters) and we ended up with Jimmy G. You never give yourself a chance to have a Jimmy G if you hold onto an Alex. It's time to get over him, there's nothing special about a guy that takes 13 years to become an ok QB.

Hmm...how did NE get JG?

Do they really have him

Umm...they did...you recall last year's trade?

oh so they still have him ?

Verb said you "never give yourself a chance to have a Jimmy G if you hold onto an Alex." The Patriots did not have an Alex, they had Brady. Yet they still gave themselves a chance to get a Jimmy G, and got him. Lol

i'm pretty sure you guys know what he's talking about, but want to be silly

No, we don't. Well, he's saying better to be a losing team than a winning team that falls short. But ask the fans of perennial losing teams like the Browns how they feel. The majority of fans prefer winning versus fantasizing about getting the next "franchise QB."

no, he's saying its better to cut ties then staying with someone who can't take you any further. Because of you stay with him you will not get a QB who can take you further

That is not what he said. But good of you to volunteer as a translator.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by NineFourNiner:

I lol'ed. Two thumbs up!

Two thumbs up from me too bro!

Not because I laughed out loud though, but because it was a spot on post (aside from the asusmption Alex will never duplicate last seasons success. I dont think he will either and would bet a lot of money against it, but never say never.)

Damn. You sure do make strange bedfellows.

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

They aren't worried Mahomes might play like a rookie. They aren't going to use Alex's one good season (production wise) in 13 years as a measuring stick for a player in his 2nd year, first year starting (like some did when we dumped him, even though our young QB was on par with, or better than Alex until our roster fell to the bottom of NFL). I think they get it could happen and have accepted it.

The fact is they moved on from Alex. They realized they aren't winning anything with him, like we did. They finally got his career year out of him, but it was too late. He had already wasted that defenses best years. That kind of season isn't happening again anyways. Expecting a 13 year player to duplicate an outlier year just isn't happening. Not even the Jets fell for that with Fitz going into the 2016 season.

Mahomes may not be a franchise QB, but neither is Alex. The guy we moved on to wasn't a franchise QB, but he had success on good rosters (more than Alex has with good rosters) and we ended up with Jimmy G. You never give yourself a chance to have a Jimmy G if you hold onto an Alex. It's time to get over him, there's nothing special about a guy that takes 13 years to become an ok QB.

Hmm...how did NE get JG?

Do they really have him

Umm...they did...you recall last year's trade?

oh so they still have him ?

Verb said you "never give yourself a chance to have a Jimmy G if you hold onto an Alex." The Patriots did not have an Alex, they had Brady. Yet they still gave themselves a chance to get a Jimmy G, and got him. Lol

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

They aren't worried Mahomes might play like a rookie. They aren't going to use Alex's one good season (production wise) in 13 years as a measuring stick for a player in his 2nd year, first year starting (like some did when we dumped him, even though our young QB was on par with, or better than Alex until our roster fell to the bottom of NFL). I think they get it could happen and have accepted it.

The fact is they moved on from Alex. They realized they aren't winning anything with him, like we did. They finally got his career year out of him, but it was too late. He had already wasted that defenses best years. That kind of season isn't happening again anyways. Expecting a 13 year player to duplicate an outlier year just isn't happening. Not even the Jets fell for that with Fitz going into the 2016 season.

Mahomes may not be a franchise QB, but neither is Alex. The guy we moved on to wasn't a franchise QB, but he had success on good rosters (more than Alex has with good rosters) and we ended up with Jimmy G. You never give yourself a chance to have a Jimmy G if you hold onto an Alex. It's time to get over him, there's nothing special about a guy that takes 13 years to become an ok QB.

Hmm...how did NE get JG?

Do they really have him

Umm...they did...you recall last year's trade?

oh so they still have him ?

Verb said you "never give yourself a chance to have a Jimmy G if you hold onto an Alex." The Patriots did not have an Alex, they had Brady. Yet they still gave themselves a chance to get a Jimmy G, and got him. Lol

i'm pretty sure you guys know what he's talking about, but want to be silly

No, we don't. Well, he's saying better to be a losing team than a winning team that falls short. But ask the fans of perennial losing teams like the Browns how they feel. The majority of fans prefer winning versus fantasizing about getting the next "franchise QB."

no, he's saying its better to cut ties then staying with someone who can't take you any further. Because of you stay with him you will not get a QB who can take you further

That is not what he said. But good of you to volunteer as a translator.

If anyone ever wanted the "derp" distilled down, here are some posts.

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
They aren't worried Mahomes might play like a rookie. They aren't going to use Alex's one good season (production wise) in 13 years as a measuring stick for a player in his 2nd year, first year starting (like some did when we dumped him, even though our young QB was on par with, or better than Alex until our roster fell to the bottom of NFL). I think they get it could happen and have accepted it.

The fact is they moved on from Alex. They realized they aren't winning anything with him, like we did. They finally got his career year out of him, but it was too late. He had already wasted that defenses best years. That kind of season isn't happening again anyways. Expecting a 13 year player to duplicate an outlier year just isn't happening. Not even the Jets fell for that with Fitz going into the 2016 season.

Mahomes may not be a franchise QB, but neither is Alex. The guy we moved on to wasn't a franchise QB, but he had success on good rosters (more than Alex has with good rosters) and we ended up with Jimmy G. You never give yourself a chance to have a Jimmy G if you hold onto an Alex. It's time to get over him, there's nothing special about a guy that takes 13 years to become an ok QB.

Hmm...how did NE get JG?

Do they really have him

Umm...they did...you recall last year's trade?

oh so they still have him ?

Verb said you "never give yourself a chance to have a Jimmy G if you hold onto an Alex." The Patriots did not have an Alex, they had Brady. Yet they still gave themselves a chance to get a Jimmy G, and got him. Lol

i'm pretty sure you guys know what he's talking about, but want to be silly

No, we don't. Well, he's saying better to be a losing team than a winning team that falls short. But ask the fans of perennial losing teams like the Browns how they feel. The majority of fans prefer winning versus fantasizing about getting the next "franchise QB."

no, he's saying its better to cut ties then staying with someone who can't take you any further. Because of you stay with him you will not get a QB who can take you further

Except the Patriots getting JG disproves that silly myth. Packers getting Rodgers while having Farve. Niners got Steve Young while having Montana. Colts got Luck while having Manning. Chargers got Rivers while having Brees. Many more examples.

It's simply a loser mentality to prefer losing so you can draft higher.

it doesn't disprove it at all. you just fail to see the truth of it

Your comparison to an already winning franchise is in no way to counter what he wrote. Already winning franchises with their franchise QB already in place doesn't have to win the QB lottery and can draft backup QBs without any repercussion of those QBs failing because they still have their FQB.

Plus Manning wasn't on their team when they Drafted Luck and they way they drafted luck was tanking for luck. Rivers landed in SD's lap because Eli Manning wanted to play somewhere else.

you should be looking at the middle of the pack teams.. Like us from 2005-2010. We were good enough to get some wins but not good enough to do any better. which screwed us from drafting a better QB. Now the Chiefs, they did pretty well but they couldn't get over the hump.. they decided the need was a QB and traded up a get a QB.

KC was tired of what was happening and needed to change even if it meant taking a step backwards.. and thats very telling

KC needs help at all levels on defense. They just signed two DTs in the hope they can at least be rotation guys to stop the run. Chiefs were dreadful at the end of the season in run defense.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

KC was tired of what was happening and needed to change even if it meant taking a step backwards.. and thats very telling

Another way of saying that is that they knew they were in salary cap hell and going all in on a rookie that would allow them to reduce their cap hit by $20M which would allow them some flexibility in bringing in FAs. As it turned out, most of that savings went for Sammie Watkins to fill the need for a speedy guy that could also run decent routes.

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

KC was tired of what was happening and needed to change even if it meant taking a step backwards.. and thats very telling

Another way of saying that is that they knew they were in salary cap hell and going all in on a rookie that would allow them to reduce their cap hit by $20M which would allow them some flexibility in bringing in FAs. As it turned out, most of that savings went for Sammie Watkins to fill the need for a speedy guy that could also run decent routes.

They just swapped the cash from QB to WR. keeping Smith wouldn't have sent them in cap hell