Pat Mahomes and the Kansas City Swifties Thread

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by dj43:
Williams has proven to be a better runner, so far.

I dont think you have ever posted something that I have disagreed with more than this dj. Cmon man.

Would you be happy if I had said he has so far proven to be a more than adequate replacement as a running back?

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by dj43:
Williams has proven to be a better runner, so far.

I dont think you have ever posted something that I have disagreed with more than this dj. Cmon man.

Would you be happy if I had said he has so far proven to be a more than adequate replacement as a running back?

Yep!

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by dj43:
Williams has proven to be a better runner, so far.

I dont think you have ever posted something that I have disagreed with more than this dj. Cmon man.

Would you be happy if I had said he has so far proven to be a more than adequate replacement as a running back?

Yep!

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by GhostOfBaalke:

Originally posted by dj43:

Williams has proven to be a better runner, so far. More power. Hunt was a greater receiving threat.

Fuller was an upgrade from Peters but that still left them with Nelson and Parker on the back end and both were liabilities.

The defensive failures are widespread. They are telling their fans that Sutton was a large part of that. Time will tell.

You might think he's better, and he might end up better but no he hasn't proven to be better. He played like 5 games. Hunt played 27 games and had proven to be one of the best RBs in the league.

Are you sure Fuller is an upgrade from Peters? Big statement there.

Yes, it is a small sample with Williams but his average in those games was 5.1 to Hunt's 4.6. The eye test shows Williams to get more YAC in those games.

PFF ranks Fuller #30. Peters is #95. No matter what one may think of PFF that is a huge difference.

In another thread there were several clips of Peters in run defense. No effort at all.

You were upset people were using Mahomes 50 TD stats compared to Alex Smith never coming close. But are really discrediting what Hunt has done because Damien Williams has averaged .5 more yards per carry in the 5 games he's played (against raiders twice, chargers, colts, Seahawks). Who cares about Hunts 1782 scrimmage yards and 11 TD last year? Damien Williams averaged 5.1 yards a carry...

PFF might give some good info but it's not the official rankings of who's a better player. Marcus Peters hasn't been as good this year for whatever reason. But don't forget he was defensive rookie of the year, led the league in picks, second team all pro as a rookie, and first team all pro in 2016. And if you really wanna go by pff. Marcus Peters was number 14 last year and rated higher than kendall fuller was his year .

Also by your standards . Pff has Hunt at 9 this year and Williams at 14

Originally posted by GhostOfBaalke:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by GhostOfBaalke:

Originally posted by dj43:
Williams has proven to be a better runner, so far. More power. Hunt was a greater receiving threat.

Fuller was an upgrade from Peters but that still left them with Nelson and Parker on the back end and both were liabilities.

The defensive failures are widespread. They are telling their fans that Sutton was a large part of that. Time will tell.

You might think he's better, and he might end up better but no he hasn't proven to be better. He played like 5 games. Hunt played 27 games and had proven to be one of the best RBs in the league.

Are you sure Fuller is an upgrade from Peters? Big statement there.

Yes, it is a small sample with Williams but his average in those games was 5.1 to Hunt's 4.6. The eye test shows Williams to get more YAC in those games.

PFF ranks Fuller #30. Peters is #95. No matter what one may think of PFF that is a huge difference.

In another thread there were several clips of Peters in run defense. No effort at all.

You were upset people were using Mahomes 50 TD stats compared to Alex Smith never coming close. But are really discrediting what Hunt has done because Damien Williams has averaged .5 more yards per carry in the 5 games he's played (against raiders twice, chargers, colts, Seahawks). Who cares about Hunts 1782 scrimmage yards and 11 TD last year? Damien Williams averaged 5.1 yards a carry...

PFF might give some good info but it's not the official rankings of who's a better player. Marcus Peters hasn't been as good this year for whatever reason. But don't forget he was defensive rookie of the year, led the league in picks, second team all pro as a rookie, and first team all pro in 2016. And if you really wanna go by pff. Marcus Peters was number 14 last year and rated higher than kendall fuller was his year .

Also by your standards . Pff has Hunt at 9 this year and Williams at 14

You are putting words in my mouth I never said nor implied.

As to Hunt versus Williams; Williams is more of a power runner where Hunt was more elusive. In the admittedly few games Williams played, he used his power to average more YPC. Period.

As to the better overall back, Hunt's receiving ability gives him a definite edge. Let's see what happens in a full season next year.

As to Peters, the fact the Chiefs made two moves to send him away should tell us a lot about his overall value to the team.

Originally posted by GhostOfBaalke:

Originally posted by Jakemall:
Team has been having health issues for the last few years. Offense may have been upgraded with the extra room Alex's salary gave, but not much was done on a defense that has older players. Injuries weren't as bad as last year, but enough to keep them out of the big game.

Kudos to Mahomes for having an amazing year as the starter. I think he's only going to get better.

Chiefs haven't ignored defense as much as some make it out to be. Watkins was the only major addition on offense and he's only played 43 percent of snaps, 519 yards and 3 of mahomes 50 TDS. Damien was added as a back up and has filled Hunts shoes so far. It's still debatable who's the better Rb though. Most would lean towards Hunt at this point.

On defense they tried. Spent money on Hitchens, traded for nickel back fuller . Spent every one of their draft picks on defense. They tried hard to fix the defense. They just failed. It happens.

Fair enough. Not much was done successfully to improve defense. Better? I wasn't trying to suggest that they didn't try and did mention in another thread about Hitchens myself.

Interesting on Watkins. He played less snaps than Conley (I hadn't noticed that until you pointed it out) at WR, but had slightly more targets and more production.

Originally posted by communist:

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

Originally posted by communist:

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

Originally posted by communist:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by SunDevilNiner79:
Sammy was basically given up by 2 teams

Hill and Kelce are both legit great weapons. But Patriots shut both down and Mahomes still had an outstanding game.

Why do people keep acting like Chiefs are insanely stacked. Mahomes has 2 great players, and both were shutdown

Also huge game by Sorensen, game of his life.

Without Watkins tonight the Chiefs lose in regulation by two touchdowns.

Without Mahomes they don't make the playoffs.

Mahomes is better than Alex and Jimmy G.

Alex made the playoffs with inferior weapons several times.

and won a whopping 2 games in his 13 year career.

He was in the playoffs for about five times or so.

true. if only he had elite defenses, a HOF RB, a couple of great TEs and WRs he probably could've done more. sadly, we'll never know what Alex could've done if he had weapons like Pat, or a great defense / run game like Kap had with the 49ers.

What great TEs? Vernon Davis was at his best with Alex under center.
Gore was just above - average, never elite.
Oh wait, he was surrounded by elite talent with the chiefs, right....remember the game against the colts? Please name me two very good skill position players who were healthy for most time of the game.

Gore is just above average and not elite? lmao. Gore is probably gonna be in the HOF. only time Alex will get close to the HOF is if Gore lets Alex present him with his jacket.

i get being an Alex homer, but this one takes the cake.

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

Gore is just above average and not elite? lmao. Gore is probably gonna be in the HOF. only time Alex will get close to the HOF is if Gore lets Alex present him with his jacket.

i get being an Alex homer, but this one takes the cake.

I don't care whether Gore will enter HOF. The only thing I care is whether a player was a difference - maker more often than not. To me, Gore does not fall into this category, hence not elite.

Originally posted by NineFourNiner:

Why did the D start laying turds this year after being respectable in the recent past?

Just about all d's have a window to succeed. See our d and it's downfall. It's a unit once guys start aging, breaking down, leaving via fa if they're not properly replaced it's curtains. Offense is easier to sustain because so much falls on the qb.

Originally posted by communist:

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

Gore is just above average and not elite? lmao. Gore is probably gonna be in the HOF. only time Alex will get close to the HOF is if Gore lets Alex present him with his jacket.

i get being an Alex homer, but this one takes the cake.

I don't care whether Gore will enter HOF. The only thing I care is whether a player was a difference - maker more often than not. To me, Gore does not fall into this category, hence not elite.

Lmao.

Originally posted by communist:

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

Gore is just above average and not elite? lmao. Gore is probably gonna be in the HOF. only time Alex will get close to the HOF is if Gore lets Alex present him with his jacket.

i get being an Alex homer, but this one takes the cake.

I don't care whether Gore will enter HOF. The only thing I care is whether a player was a difference - maker more often than not. To me, Gore does not fall into this category, hence not elite.

Imagine if we actually had a decent quarterback and a passing game when Gore was here and he didnt have to beat 8-9 men in the box every carry.

Diminishing Gore's excellence to excuse Alex Smith. Jesus Christ this takes he cake. As a Niner fan, this disgusts me beyond belief.

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

Originally posted by communist:

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

Gore is just above average and not elite? lmao. Gore is probably gonna be in the HOF. only time Alex will get close to the HOF is if Gore lets Alex present him with his jacket.

i get being an Alex homer, but this one takes the cake.

I don't care whether Gore will enter HOF. The only thing I care is whether a player was a difference - maker more often than not. To me, Gore does not fall into this category, hence not elite.

Lmao.

Gore wasn't a difference maker??

We literally built our offense around Gore lol

Originally posted by Janitor:

We literally built our offense around Gore lol

And that was the problem. He's not special. If only we built around Alex now that is special.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Imagine if we actually had a decent quarterback and a passing game when Gore was here and he didnt have to beat 8-9 men in the box every carry.

Diminishing Gore's excellence to excuse Alex Smith. Jesus Christ this takes he cake. As a Niner fan, this disgusts me beyond belief.

Decent quarterback? Smith and Kaep were decent through the playoff years. Passing game was good enough.
However, your post sounds like a search for Gorexcuses to me.