Pat Mahomes and the Kansas City Swifties Thread

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

There's no adapting to getting flat out beat by better players (Kelce, Hill, Hunt). He won't duplicate last season because he lost Hunt, and probably Hill to suspension. If he didn't lose his elite weapons, he'd more than likely tear the league apart again next year.

NFL D's are pretty good man. They learn. They loose hill and they are in deep shlit trouble.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by ChillninDaBay:
Funny, you never cut Alex Smith any of that slack (even though he's also only 1 player of a team sport), Mahomes will get no slack in his 2nd year with that horrible D. He will have to carry his team every game from now on (That's what a MVP does right? Same with Rodgers, where was he last year lol?) cause Andy Reid don't care about his D. The pressure is ON GL LOL!!!

If you weren't so biased, you would see that this is exactly what he did last season.

My point: He's going to have to do a lot more from now on cause his team's D has been gutted from worse to worst LOL!!!
(And everyone else has a full season of game tape on him, plus some offensive weapons are and might be missing or gone from 2018)

It happens to ALL NFL starting QBs. Good or bad, HOFers or average QBs, look at Russell Wilson now that the legion of boom is gone (has to work extra hard to win games and getting sacked a lot more), Rodgers after the SB D is gone (same, getting sacked and defense stopping him, finally got his HC fired), Brees with a bad D, doesn't matter who is it.

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by ChillninDaBay:
Funny, you never cut Alex Smith any of that slack (even though he's also only 1 player of a team sport), Mahomes will get no slack in his 2nd year with that horrible D. He will have to carry his team every game from now on (That's what a MVP does right? Same with Rodgers, where was he last year lol?) cause Andy Reid don't care about his D. The pressure is ON GL LOL!!!

I'm not cutting him any slack. It's just dumb to think there was anything to figure out about KCs offense last year.

Their players were just better than the opposing defenders. They could give you their entire playbook, but at the end of the day Hill is going to blow by the secondary, Kelce will beat safeties/LBs, and Hunt will get his. That combo was too much to handle. Even Alex Smith had a good year with those weapons, that's how deadly that combo was.

D went from worse to worst cause Andy Reid doesn't care, it's apparent since he became HC and Alex Smith was brought there, that's a FACT.
Look at what he did in Philly LOL, different team, same story.

They don't have Hunt anymore, Hill might be suspended who knows, full year of game tape on Mahomes, they also lost their center who was pretty good.

There is nothing to really be excited about the Chiefs moving forward knowing Andy Reid is still there undoing his team LOL!

The only chance they got is if Brady retires (but that's any other playoff bound AFC team year in year out), but it all goes back to the same problem, Andy Reid doesn't care about his D, so other teams with a good enough QB and better D will still be better than the Chiefs with Andy Reid as HC (i.e. it wasn't really a QB issue in KC, whether it was Alex Smith or Mahomes, it was more of a Defense issue they never fix and improve to get to a SB and win it. If winning NFL SBs was all about the elite HOF QBs only than Brees, Rodgers etc would be winning SBs every/many seasons like Brady. Wilson and Peyton wouldn't have won that 2015 SB before he retired, because their D was elite. Keep in mind also once the "elite" NFL QBs gets their BIG PAY DAY, it's pretty much doom for the team to get to the SB because there will be less money for the D and with Andy Reid as your HC, that's a double whammy LOL!!! So GL to Mahomes once he gets that
rumored 200+ million dollars contract haha!).

LOL lol Lol!!! Fluke. GG LOL. !!

Losing Hunt won't slow them down much but if they lose Hill that's a killer. He's the primary reason that o is so explosive. Just stretches the field allowing the rest of that talent to get open with ease.

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
I'm not cutting him any slack. It's just dumb to think there was anything to figure out about KCs offense last year.

Their players were just better than the opposing defenders. They could give you their entire playbook, but at the end of the day Hill is going to blow by the secondary, Kelce will beat safeties/LBs, and Hunt will get his. That combo was too much to handle. Even Alex Smith had a good year with those weapons, that's how deadly that combo was.

Originally posted by tjd808185:
Losing Hunt won't slow them down much but if they lose Hill that's a killer. He's the primary reason that o is so explosive. Just stretches the field allowing the rest of that talent to get open with ease.

True.

It was when Reid began to use Hill as a receiver min-way through the season three years ago that the KC offense really began to take off. Kelce was open more of the time. Hunt was finding room to both receive run through the second level.

Mahomes going to be the only one left on the team at this rate

Originally posted by ChillninDaBay:
D went from worse to worst cause Andy Reid doesn't care, it's apparent since he became HC and Alex Smith was brought there, that's a FACT.

Defensive rankings during Alex Smith era:

2013
24th in yards
6th in points

2014
7th in yards
2nd in points

2015
7th in yards
3rd in points

2016
24th in yards
7th in points

2017
28th in yards
15th in points

As you can see.....well maybe I should rephrase that......as you have chosen to ignore, the Kansas City Chiefs defense did not go from worse to worst when Reid and Smith came in. The Chiefs defense was pretty damn good for the majority of the Alex Smith era. Only one season was the defense worst than average, and was still in the top half of the league in points allowed.. Top 7 in points allowed per game in every season apart from that one.

Sorry, but the point you are trying to make here is dead wrong.

Look at what he did in Philly LOL, different team, same story.

I wasnt planning on doing the above stat research for every year of Reid's Philly career too, but I was curious so I started. In points allowed, the year he took over as head coach, the Eagles were 22nd in the league in points given up per game.

The following 4 seasons? 4th, 2nd, 2nd, 7th.

I am done here. Your idea that Reid ignores defense is absolutely comical, and simply doing a little bit of research before making these categorically incorrect statements you are presenting as fact. You are clearly just making things up.

i.e. it wasn't really a QB issue in KC, whether it was Alex Smith or Mahomes, it was more of a Defense issue they never fix and improve to get to a SB and win it.

The first thing you said that I actually agree with.....that it wasnt a QB issue last year with Mahomes. It was a QB issue with Smith, but you can continue to put your fingers in your ears and cover your eyes if you would like. I just listed the proof above. The Chiefs defense, apart from 2017, was a very good defense that any offensive player would love to play with during the Alex Smith era.

^^ GG LOL

!!! LOL

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

I'm not cutting him any slack. It's just dumb to think there was anything to figure out about KCs offense last year.

Their players were just better than the opposing defenders. They could give you their entire playbook, but at the end of the day Hill is going to blow by the secondary, Kelce will beat safeties/LBs, and Hunt will get his. That combo was too much to handle. Even Alex Smith had a good year with those weapons, that's how deadly that combo was.

Gives you an idea of how good those weapons were. The D is caught in a bind having to account for the best deep threat, the top rusher, and the best TE. There is no defense with enough elite defenders to account for all that.

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
I'm not cutting him any slack. It's just dumb to think there was anything to figure out about KCs offense last year.

Their players were just better than the opposing defenders. They could give you their entire playbook, but at the end of the day Hill is going to blow by the secondary, Kelce will beat safeties/LBs, and Hunt will get his. That combo was too much to handle. Even Alex Smith had a good year with those weapons, that's how deadly that combo was.

Gives you an idea of how good those weapons were. The D is caught in a bind having to account for the best deep threat, the top rusher, and the best TE. There is no defense with enough elite defenders to account for all that.

Hunt was good not great by any means, he's gone and now they have garbage. Kelce was hurt in the playoff when Alex Smith was there, Hill might be suspended or will leave for more money and that D sucked and is worst now than ever GG.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by ChillninDaBay:
D went from worse to worst cause Andy Reid doesn't care, it's apparent since he became HC and Alex Smith was brought there, that's a FACT.

Defensive rankings during Alex Smith era:
2013
24th in yards
points
2015
yards
rd in points
2017
28th in yards
City Chiefs defense did not go from worse to worst when Reid and Smith came in. The Chiefs defense was pretty damn good for the majority of the allowed per game in every season apart from that one.

Look at what he did in Philly LOL, different team, same story.

I wasnt planning on over as head coach, the Eagles were 22nd in

i.e. it wasn't really a QB issue in KC, whether it was Alex Smith or Mahomes, it was more of a Defense issue they never fix and improve to get to a SB and win it.

The first thing you said that I actually agree with.....that it wasnt a QB cover your eyes if you would like. I just listed the proof above. The Chiefs defense, apart from 2017, was a very good defense that any offensive player would love to play with

My Point still stands: KC D was garbage last year like Kirk Cousins LOL. KC D will be worse this year as well as the offense, GG.

Andy Reid and KC will give up that 200+ Mil contract and Mahomes will sign it. It's even more Game Over for KC after that LOL!

Furthermore, I have already call this before they hired spagarbage as DC and cut all the good players or let them go to other teams,
they are doomed and thus Mahomes will slump all thanks to Andy Reid, same as what happened to Harb with SF.

Originally posted by ChillninDaBay:
Hunt was good not great by any means

LOL!!!!

Rookie season
4.9 YPA
1327 rushing yards (NFL leader)
455 receiving yards
11 total touchdowns

2nd season (extrapolated over 16 games)
4.6 YPA
1199 rushing yards (would rank 4th in the NFL)
550 receiving yards (would rank 7th in the NFL among running backs)
20 total touchdowns (yes, TWENTY)

Yeah, he wasnt great by any means, right? LOL. So do you ever do a minute of research to back up the claims you present as facts in this thread? I see you finally responded to my last message in a "I'll just believe what I want rather than address what you wrote" type way. But your act is getting tired.

i.e. it wasn't really a QB issue in KC, whether it was Alex Smith or Mahomes, it was more of a Defense issue they never fix and improve to get to a SB and win it.

The first thing you said that I actually agree with.....that it wasnt a QB issue last year with Mahomes. It was a QB issue with Smith, but you can continue to put your fingers in your ears and cover your eyes if you would like. I just listed the proof above. The Chiefs defense, apart from 2017, was a very good defense that any offensive player would love to play with during the Alex Smith era.

BTW, if KC D was so good or GOOD ENOUGH to get KC to the SB and win a SB when Alex Smith was there, why didn't they stop IND in the play-offs or stop Bell when they faced Steelers in the play-off?????????

Because THEY SUCK and their biggest problem is they can't stop the RUN. FYI, Championship D stops the run, and championship O establish the RUN at will.