Pat Mahomes and the Kansas City Swifties Thread

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Furlow:

The point that Verb made, and one that is often made when debating Smith's merits, is that a franchise is better off being a perennial loser (so that they have a chance to draft in the top 10 to get a franchise QB) then they are being a perennial middle of the pack/playoff team that doesn't win it all (because that means drafting later in the first round and not as good of a chance for a franchise QB).

The bottom line is that is LOSER mentality and there is simply no factual basis that consistently drafting in the top 10 has given teams more chances at franchise QB's. Just take a look at the best QB's of all time, and look where there drafted - it's all over the place. Sure, it can be stated that drafting early in the first round is a better chance, but it is not significant enough to warrant being a perennial loser in order to do so. It is certainly not an "astronomical risk" lol.

The teams that suck on purpose so that they can draft higher pretty much always suck. Loser mentality = losing.

he didn't say that at all.

he's saying holding onto Smith too long and hoping you get to the promise land is asinine. It's better just to cut ties. Which there is some truth to that. If Smith a 14 yr vet can't do it in the first two years..it's time to move on

i know you shaking your head in denial, but c'mon. Maybe this is the year, but i willing to bet it's not as history has already proven that

That's what he implied, and what you and SWH are vehemently arguing. Now you're trying to change the debate AGAIN. Bro, seriously??

If it's not about losing, then why does "having a QB like Smith mean you lose a chance at a QB like JG?"

You're all over the place, as usual.

i pretty much said the same thing you replied to the first time. If you can't understand having a QB play well enough to not be a bad team and play bad enough to not win when it counts.. you will always put yourself in a bad draft position to get a QB who can get you over the hump.

no one said you have to be a loser..but youre too stuck on that idea to really think outside of the box..

but here you go adding nothing again as usual

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Furlow:
The point that Verb made, and one that is often made when debating Smith's merits, is that a franchise is better off being a perennial loser (so that they have a chance to draft in the top 10 to get a franchise QB) then they are being a perennial middle of the pack/playoff team that doesn't win it all (because that means drafting later in the first round and not as good of a chance for a franchise QB).

The bottom line is that is LOSER mentality and there is simply no factual basis that consistently drafting in the top 10 has given teams more chances at franchise QB's. Just take a look at the best QB's of all time, and look where there drafted - it's all over the place. Sure, it can be stated that drafting early in the first round is a better chance, but it is not significant enough to warrant being a perennial loser in order to do so. It is certainly not an "astronomical risk" lol.

The teams that suck on purpose so that they can draft higher pretty much always suck. Loser mentality = losing.

he didn't say that at all.

he's saying holding onto Smith too long and hoping you get to the promise land is asinine. It's better just to cut ties. Which there is some truth to that. If Smith a 14 yr vet can't do it in the first two years..it's time to move on

i know you shaking your head in denial, but c'mon. Maybe this is the year, but i willing to bet it's not as history has already proven that

That's what he implied, and what you and SWH are vehemently arguing. Now you're trying to change the debate AGAIN. Bro, seriously??

If it's not about losing, then why does "having a QB like Smith mean you lose a chance at a QB like JG?"

You're all over the place, as usual.

i pretty much said the same thing you replied to the first time. If you can't understand having a QB play well enough to not be a bad team and play bad enough to not win when it counts.. you will always put yourself in a bad draft position to get a QB who can get you over the hump.

no one said you have to be a loser..but youre too stuck on that idea to really think outside of the box..

but here you go adding nothing again as usual

The only way you have better draft position is by losing. Stop. Your argument is weak and now you're backtracking.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Furlow:

The point that Verb made, and one that is often made when debating Smith's merits, is that a franchise is better off being a perennial loser (so that they have a chance to draft in the top 10 to get a franchise QB) then they are being a perennial middle of the pack/playoff team that doesn't win it all (because that means drafting later in the first round and not as good of a chance for a franchise QB).

The bottom line is that is LOSER mentality and there is simply no factual basis that consistently drafting in the top 10 has given teams more chances at franchise QB's. Just take a look at the best QB's of all time, and look where there drafted - it's all over the place. Sure, it can be stated that drafting early in the first round is a better chance, but it is not significant enough to warrant being a perennial loser in order to do so. It is certainly not an "astronomical risk" lol.

The teams that suck on purpose so that they can draft higher pretty much always suck. Loser mentality = losing.

he didn't say that at all.

he's saying holding onto Smith too long and hoping you get to the promise land is asinine. It's better just to cut ties. Which there is some truth to that. If Smith a 14 yr vet can't do it in the first two years..it's time to move on

i know you shaking your head in denial, but c'mon. Maybe this is the year, but i willing to bet it's not as history has already proven that

That's what he implied, and what you and SWH are vehemently arguing. Now you're trying to change the debate AGAIN. Bro, seriously??

If it's not about losing, then why does "having a QB like Smith mean you lose a chance at a QB like JG?"

You're all over the place, as usual.

i pretty much said the same thing you replied to the first time. If you can't understand having a QB play well enough to not be a bad team and play bad enough to not win when it counts.. you will always put yourself in a bad draft position to get a QB who can get you over the hump.

no one said you have to be a loser..but youre too stuck on that idea to really think outside of the box..

but here you go adding nothing again as usual

The only way you have better draft position is by losing. Stop. Your argument is weak and now you're backtracking.

see, we are talking about something much more in depth. what Charlie is talking about is being screwed by being better than the bad teams but not good enough to hang with the big boys

and when you are screwed like that you need to take risks but tanking or trade up to get a QB because your draft position is screwed to get a top QB

49ers took the risk of the hot hand
KC made the trade

ok i'm out gd night friend

Originally posted by Joecool:

There's still KC fans on here?

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Furlow:
The point that Verb made, and one that is often made when debating Smith's merits, is that a franchise is better off being a perennial loser (so that they have a chance to draft in the top 10 to get a franchise QB) then they are being a perennial middle of the pack/playoff team that doesn't win it all (because that means drafting later in the first round and not as good of a chance for a franchise QB).

The bottom line is that is LOSER mentality and there is simply no factual basis that consistently drafting in the top 10 has given teams more chances at franchise QB's. Just take a look at the best QB's of all time, and look where there drafted - it's all over the place. Sure, it can be stated that drafting early in the first round is a better chance, but it is not significant enough to warrant being a perennial loser in order to do so. It is certainly not an "astronomical risk" lol.

The teams that suck on purpose so that they can draft higher pretty much always suck. Loser mentality = losing.

he didn't say that at all.

he's saying holding onto Smith too long and hoping you get to the promise land is asinine. It's better just to cut ties. Which there is some truth to that. If Smith a 14 yr vet can't do it in the first two years..it's time to move on

i know you shaking your head in denial, but c'mon. Maybe this is the year, but i willing to bet it's not as history has already proven that

That's what he implied, and what you and SWH are vehemently arguing. Now you're trying to change the debate AGAIN. Bro, seriously??

If it's not about losing, then why does "having a QB like Smith mean you lose a chance at a QB like JG?"

You're all over the place, as usual.

i pretty much said the same thing you replied to the first time. If you can't understand having a QB play well enough to not be a bad team and play bad enough to not win when it counts.. you will always put yourself in a bad draft position to get a QB who can get you over the hump.

no one said you have to be a loser..but youre too stuck on that idea to really think outside of the box..

but here you go adding nothing again as usual

The only way you have better draft position is by losing. Stop. Your argument is weak and now you're backtracking.

see, we are talking about something much more in depth. what Charlie is talking about is being screwed by being better than the bad teams but not good enough to hang with the big boys

and when you are screwed like that you need to take risks but tanking or trade up to get a QB because your draft position is screwed to get a top QB

49ers took the risk of the hot hand
KC made the trade

ok i'm out gd night friend

You're saying the same thing I'm saying. Better to lose and be in better draft position than win some (but not win the Super Bowl). Loser mentality. That has been proven to not give teams an advantage at drafting a franchise QB.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Furlow:

The point that Verb made, and one that is often made when debating Smith's merits, is that a franchise is better off being a perennial loser (so that they have a chance to draft in the top 10 to get a franchise QB) then they are being a perennial middle of the pack/playoff team that doesn't win it all (because that means drafting later in the first round and not as good of a chance for a franchise QB).

The bottom line is that is LOSER mentality and there is simply no factual basis that consistently drafting in the top 10 has given teams more chances at franchise QB's. Just take a look at the best QB's of all time, and look where there drafted - it's all over the place. Sure, it can be stated that drafting early in the first round is a better chance, but it is not significant enough to warrant being a perennial loser in order to do so. It is certainly not an "astronomical risk" lol.

The teams that suck on purpose so that they can draft higher pretty much always suck. Loser mentality = losing.

he didn't say that at all.

he's saying holding onto Smith too long and hoping you get to the promise land is asinine. It's better just to cut ties. Which there is some truth to that. If Smith a 14 yr vet can't do it in the first two years..it's time to move on

i know you shaking your head in denial, but c'mon. Maybe this is the year, but i willing to bet it's not as history has already proven that

That's what he implied, and what you and SWH are vehemently arguing. Now you're trying to change the debate AGAIN. Bro, seriously??

If it's not about losing, then why does "having a QB like Smith mean you lose a chance at a QB like JG?"

You're all over the place, as usual.

i pretty much said the same thing you replied to the first time. If you can't understand having a QB play well enough to not be a bad team and play bad enough to not win when it counts.. you will always put yourself in a bad draft position to get a QB who can get you over the hump.

no one said you have to be a loser..but youre too stuck on that idea to really think outside of the box..

but here you go adding nothing again as usual

The only way you have better draft position is by losing. Stop. Your argument is weak and now you're backtracking.

see, we are talking about something much more in depth. what Charlie is talking about is being screwed by being better than the bad teams but not good enough to hang with the big boys

and when you are screwed like that you need to take risks but tanking or trade up to get a QB because your draft position is screwed to get a top QB

49ers took the risk of the hot hand
KC made the trade

ok i'm out gd night friend

You're saying the same thing I'm saying. Better to lose and be in better draft position than win some (but not win the Super Bowl). Loser mentality. That has been proven to not give teams an advantage at drafting a franchise QB.

ok i can agree on that

but do you stay with a QB thats not going to be a bottom feeder and also not going to win you anything (championship) ?

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Furlow:
The point that Verb made, and one that is often made when debating Smith's merits, is that a franchise is better off being a perennial loser (so that they have a chance to draft in the top 10 to get a franchise QB) then they are being a perennial middle of the pack/playoff team that doesn't win it all (because that means drafting later in the first round and not as good of a chance for a franchise QB).

The bottom line is that is LOSER mentality and there is simply no factual basis that consistently drafting in the top 10 has given teams more chances at franchise QB's. Just take a look at the best QB's of all time, and look where there drafted - it's all over the place. Sure, it can be stated that drafting early in the first round is a better chance, but it is not significant enough to warrant being a perennial loser in order to do so. It is certainly not an "astronomical risk" lol.

The teams that suck on purpose so that they can draft higher pretty much always suck. Loser mentality = losing.

he didn't say that at all.

he's saying holding onto Smith too long and hoping you get to the promise land is asinine. It's better just to cut ties. Which there is some truth to that. If Smith a 14 yr vet can't do it in the first two years..it's time to move on

i know you shaking your head in denial, but c'mon. Maybe this is the year, but i willing to bet it's not as history has already proven that

That's what he implied, and what you and SWH are vehemently arguing. Now you're trying to change the debate AGAIN. Bro, seriously??

If it's not about losing, then why does "having a QB like Smith mean you lose a chance at a QB like JG?"

You're all over the place, as usual.

i pretty much said the same thing you replied to the first time. If you can't understand having a QB play well enough to not be a bad team and play bad enough to not win when it counts.. you will always put yourself in a bad draft position to get a QB who can get you over the hump.

no one said you have to be a loser..but youre too stuck on that idea to really think outside of the box..

but here you go adding nothing again as usual

The only way you have better draft position is by losing. Stop. Your argument is weak and now you're backtracking.

see, we are talking about something much more in depth. what Charlie is talking about is being screwed by being better than the bad teams but not good enough to hang with the big boys

and when you are screwed like that you need to take risks but tanking or trade up to get a QB because your draft position is screwed to get a top QB

49ers took the risk of the hot hand
KC made the trade

ok i'm out gd night friend

You're saying the same thing I'm saying. Better to lose and be in better draft position than win some (but not win the Super Bowl). Loser mentality. That has been proven to not give teams an advantage at drafting a franchise QB.

ok i can agree on that

but do you stay with a QB thats not going to be a bottom feeder and also not going to win you anything (championship) ?

If you don't have a better and/or cheaper option, yes. Keep winning and giving yourself a shot. Not every Super Bowl winning team has an all-time great QB. Smith is more than capable.

KC thinks they have a better and/or cheaper option. Perhaps they feel Mahones + money spent elsewhere is better than Smith. We'll see. The Niners tried that with Kap and it plunged the franchise.

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Furlow:

The point that Verb made, and one that is often made when debating Smith's merits, is that a franchise is better off being a perennial loser (so that they have a chance to draft in the top 10 to get a franchise QB) then they are being a perennial middle of the pack/playoff team that doesn't win it all (because that means drafting later in the first round and not as good of a chance for a franchise QB).

The bottom line is that is LOSER mentality and there is simply no factual basis that consistently drafting in the top 10 has given teams more chances at franchise QB's. Just take a look at the best QB's of all time, and look where there drafted - it's all over the place. Sure, it can be stated that drafting early in the first round is a better chance, but it is not significant enough to warrant being a perennial loser in order to do so. It is certainly not an "astronomical risk" lol.

The teams that suck on purpose so that they can draft higher pretty much always suck. Loser mentality = losing.

he didn't say that at all.

he's saying holding onto Smith too long and hoping you get to the promise land is asinine. It's better just to cut ties. Which there is some truth to that. If Smith a 14 yr vet can't do it in the first two years..it's time to move on

i know you shaking your head in denial, but c'mon. Maybe this is the year, but i willing to bet it's not as history has already proven that

That's what he implied, and what you and SWH are vehemently arguing. Now you're trying to change the debate AGAIN. Bro, seriously??

If it's not about losing, then why does "having a QB like Smith mean you lose a chance at a QB like JG?"

You're all over the place, as usual.

i pretty much said the same thing you replied to the first time. If you can't understand having a QB play well enough to not be a bad team and play bad enough to not win when it counts.. you will always put yourself in a bad draft position to get a QB who can get you over the hump.

no one said you have to be a loser..but youre too stuck on that idea to really think outside of the box..

but here you go adding nothing again as usual

The only way you have better draft position is by losing. Stop. Your argument is weak and now you're backtracking.

see, we are talking about something much more in depth. what Charlie is talking about is being screwed by being better than the bad teams but not good enough to hang with the big boys

and when you are screwed like that you need to take risks but tanking or trade up to get a QB because your draft position is screwed to get a top QB

49ers took the risk of the hot hand
KC made the trade

ok i'm out gd night friend

You're saying the same thing I'm saying. Better to lose and be in better draft position than win some (but not win the Super Bowl). Loser mentality. That has been proven to not give teams an advantage at drafting a franchise QB.

ok i can agree on that

but do you stay with a QB thats not going to be a bottom feeder and also not going to win you anything (championship) ?

If you don't have a better and/or cheaper option, yes. Keep winning and giving yourself a shot. Not every Super Bowl winning team has an all-time great QB. Smith is more than capable.

KC thinks they have a better and/or cheaper option. Perhaps they feel Mahones + money spent elsewhere is better than Smith. We'll see. The Niners tried that with Kap and it plunged the franchise.

Originally posted by Joecool:
There's still KC fans on here?

Originally posted by Joecool:
There's still KC fans on here?

Originally posted by sacniner:

Originally posted by Joecool:
There's still KC fans on here?

No, but Alex Smith played there for several years so the Zone has a very big interest.

I like Mahomes a lot and want to see him play. I liked good quarterbacking, especially when it involves arm strength

Originally posted by Furlow:

The Niners tried that with Kap and it plunged the franchise.