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Originally posted by jersey49er:He's talented but I'd be very shocked if he goes top 10, I like Polite better then him so he's not top 3 Pass rusher in this draft IMO
Originally posted by strickac:He's still not top-10. As a LEO, he just doesn't have the speed or bend to make a difference.
He's a long shot to make it onto our roster. He shouldn't be considered at #2 and he'll likely be gone by the 2nd.
I'd rather see Dakota Watson at LEO than Ferrell.
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by jersey49er:
He's talented but I'd be very shocked if he goes top 10, I like Polite better then him so he's not top 3 Pass rusher in this draft IMO
I'll bet money he goes ahead of Polite just based on consistency (been good a couple yrs) and size/length alone
Originally posted by NYniner85:Originally posted by strickac:He's still not top-10. As a LEO, he just doesn't have the speed or bend to make a difference.
He's a long shot to make it onto our roster. He shouldn't be considered at #2 and he'll likely be gone by the 2nd.
I'd rather see Dakota Watson at LEO than Ferrell.
What lol?
Originally posted by 49erBigMac:Originally posted by strickac:He's still not top-10. As a LEO, he just doesn't have the speed or bend to make a difference.
He's a long shot to make it onto our roster. He shouldn't be considered at #2 and he'll likely be gone by the 2nd.
I'd rather see Dakota Watson at LEO than Ferrell.
Well you obviously haven't been paying any attention to what Saleh wants, who do you think plays our LEO spot from this class?
Originally posted by strickac:Originally posted by 49erBigMac:Originally posted by strickac:He's still not top-10. As a LEO, he just doesn't have the speed or bend to make a difference.
He's a long shot to make it onto our roster. He shouldn't be considered at #2 and he'll likely be gone by the 2nd.
I'd rather see Dakota Watson at LEO than Ferrell.
Well you obviously haven't been paying any attention to what Saleh wants, who do you think plays our LEO spot from this class?
Had a really long post going that got dumped, but here's the short of it...
What Saleh wants and what Saleh gets probably 2 different things. I'm assuming Saleh sees Cliff Avril as the model LEO. Marsh and Attaochu are very similar in size. That being about 6'3" or 6'4" and around 255-260lbs. The key being they have the speed to quickly get around a Tackle. Speed around the edge is very important. Dumervil didn't have the length, but he was a veteran with excellent leverage that could still win with speed.
In this draft there's Bosa, Allen (Senior Bowl will answer their questions) and Polite. Those are the top guys who might fit that mold. Burns is a question mark with his size, but he has the ability.
After them there's Ferguson, Jackson, and maybe Winovich or Ximines as a consolation, try again next year prize.
Those are people that I think of when I envision our LEO. We haven't seen it yet, so we're all speculating, but that's where I'm coming from.
Originally posted by 49erBigMac:Well Saleh has said that you want your best pass rusher there, so you have some names to agree on, the thing you've missed on big time is the infrequency he's had any of those guys play there on 1st & 2nd downs, to play on those you have to be able to "set an aggressive edge" and maintain your gap.
That rules out Allen, Burns and Polite (at least early in their career) and Ximenes maybe ever, and they would all be passing down only.
This is further evidenced by when we play a nickel package with heavy personnel (Snickel) Thomas and/or AA stay as edge defenders.
I'm sure we'll accept additional pass rushers even if they don't see the field a lot, but guys like Bosa, Ferrell, maybe Ferguson and god forbid Rashan Gary will get big bonus points for being able to play every down.
Originally posted by strickac:
Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
Well Saleh has said that you want your best pass rusher there, so you have some names to agree on, the thing you've missed on big time is the infrequency he's had any of those guys play there on 1st & 2nd downs, to play on those you have to be able to "set an aggressive edge" and maintain your gap.
That rules out Allen, Burns and Polite (at least early in their career) and Ximenes maybe ever, and they would all be passing down only.
This is further evidenced by when we play a nickel package with heavy personnel (Snickel) Thomas and/or AA stay as edge defenders.
I'm sure we'll accept additional pass rushers even if they don't see the field a lot, but guys like Bosa, Ferrell, maybe Ferguson and god forbid Rashan Gary will get big bonus points for being able to play every down.
If he truly views edge rushers primarily as run defenders, then he should be fired on the spot. At big end, I understand that on early downs; otherwise, we would've stuck with Blair over AA and he might've seen around 10 sacks. AA is the better run defender though.
Having a guy like Polite on the roster would give Saleh a boost to the pass rush and we'd see him on passing downs. We're going to see a rotation regardless. Adding Ferrell may be more adequate for early downs, but offers little boost to the pass rush, which is precisely what Lynch and Kyle have been talking about upgrading.
They considered bringing in Dante Fowler. He is a pass rusher and offers very little against the run. He's actually a liability in run defense. It doesn't matter though. They want guys that can get after the QB and that desire outweighs that player's ability to set the edge. Like you said, many of these guys might be situational rushers early on, but that shouldn't eliminate them from our board.
Originally posted by strickac:
I know that's not a popular thought, but I think Watson has a ton of untapped potential. Rather stick with him and than burn a 1st on Ferrell.
Not trolling with that either. I just think Ferrell is a really poor fit.
...I'm not a Ferrell lover, but I don't see how he's a poor fit for this scheme? He's one of the only 3 down edge rushers in this draft IMO. His body and length are ideal for a 4-3 DE.Originally posted by StubbyNBY:
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