Clelin Ferrell DE Raiders

Originally posted by strickac:

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

Well Saleh has said that you want your best pass rusher there, so you have some names to agree on, the thing you've missed on big time is the infrequency he's had any of those guys play there on 1st & 2nd downs, to play on those you have to be able to "set an aggressive edge" and maintain your gap.

That rules out Allen, Burns and Polite (at least early in their career) and Ximenes maybe ever, and they would all be passing down only.

This is further evidenced by when we play a nickel package with heavy personnel (Snickel) Thomas and/or AA stay as edge defenders.

I'm sure we'll accept additional pass rushers even if they don't see the field a lot, but guys like Bosa, Ferrell, maybe Ferguson and god forbid Rashan Gary will get big bonus points for being able to play every down.

If he truly views edge rushers primarily as run defenders, then he should be fired on the spot. At big end, I understand that on early downs; otherwise, we would've stuck with Blair over AA and he might've seen around 10 sacks. AA is the better run defender though.

Having a guy like Polite on the roster would give Saleh a boost to the pass rush and we'd see him on passing downs. We're going to see a rotation regardless. Adding Ferrell may be more adequate for early downs, but offers little boost to the pass rush, which is precisely what Lynch and Kyle have been talking about upgrading.

They considered bringing in Dante Fowler. He is a pass rusher and offers very little against the run. He's actually a liability in run defense. It doesn't matter though. They want guys that can get after the QB and that desire outweighs that player's ability to set the edge. Like you said, many of these guys might be situational rushers early on, but that shouldn't eliminate them from our board.

Obviously we aren't primarily looking for run defenders, but I do think if pass rush grades are similar it will be taken into account, for example I think Ferrell and Burns have similar pass rush grades so Ferrell gets the edge due to his superior run defense.

I think all NFL teams think this way, fans and draft analysts don't, it's the same with pass protection for an RB or run support for a Corner.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

There's more than one way to rush the passer. @TampaBayTre took a deep dive into Clelin Ferrell's tape to show evidence of a player who has matured in his game beyond his limitations. https://t.co/HtfCl4DoYg

— The Draft Network (@DraftNetworkLLC) January 9, 2019

Pretty great article.

I really wish we could take Ferrell and combine him with one of the other guys and draft him then. I'm not sure he'll ever get that flexibilty/bend you want on the edge...if he did he'd be right up there with Bosa as #1 in this class.

He still scares me at #2 :( but I think he'll have a decent career in the NFL but I'm looking for a home run pick. Very curious to see what he runs at the combine.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

There's more than one way to rush the passer. @TampaBayTre took a deep dive into Clelin Ferrell's tape to show evidence of a player who has matured in his game beyond his limitations. https://t.co/HtfCl4DoYg

— The Draft Network (@DraftNetworkLLC) January 9, 2019

Pretty great article.

I really wish we could take Ferrell and combine him with one of the other guys and draft him then. I'm not sure he'll ever get that flexibilty/bend you want on the edge...if he did he'd be right up there with Bosa as #1 in this class.

He still scares me at #2 :( but I think he'll have a decent career in the NFL but I'm looking for a home run pick. Very curious to see what he runs at the combine.

Yeah, I think he can be a productive pass rusher in the NFL for a while....all-pro type of guy? Not seeing that (yet).

In all honesty I would be fine with Allen/Ferrell (and even Burns) end of the day. I just don't think this draft is amazing overall. We want to compare these guys to current NFL players or guys that were drafted high, but it's not really fair. Every draft is different and you can only draft who's available in this draft.

what I'm saying is the only home run pick IMO is Bosa and we wanted to beat Seattle instead

Originally posted by NYniner85:

There's more than one way to rush the passer. @TampaBayTre took a deep dive into Clelin Ferrell's tape to show evidence of a player who has matured in his game beyond his limitations. https://t.co/HtfCl4DoYg

— The Draft Network (@DraftNetworkLLC) January 9, 2019

Great piece. Ferrell is legit. Dude has become very underrated around here similar to Mike Mcglinchey last year. As Wrath said, I could see him being the type of edge that collects around ten sacks a year for the next ten years. He reminds me of Terrell Suggs in many ways, especially after seeing how loud and nasty he is lol. I like him a lot more after Monday night.

Originally posted by strickac:
If he truly views edge rushers primarily as run defenders, then he should be fired on the spot.

yes we know.

I truly believe the Saleh and the 49ers braintrust will view Clelin as their #2 edge because of his value at setting the edge.

Originally posted by Ensatsu:

Originally posted by strickac:
If he truly views edge rushers primarily as run defenders, then he should be fired on the spot.

yes we know.

I truly believe the Saleh and the 49ers braintrust will view Clelin as their #2 edge because of his value at setting the edge.

Come draft day, not sure there will be a consensus on who the next best edge rusher is in this class after Bosa. A guy like Ferrell is pro ready whereas the other guys all look like upside/developmental prospects from day one who can contribute some. I think some of them have a much higher upside that CF but there is greater risk associated with each as compared to CF.

Originally posted by evil:
Come draft day, not sure there will be a consensus on who the next best edge rusher is in this class after Bosa. A guy like Ferrell is pro ready whereas the other guys all look like upside/developmental prospects from day one who can contribute some. I think some of them have a much higher upside that CF but there is greater risk associated with each as compared to CF.

Good call!

IMO, Josh is also Pro-Ready.

Originally posted by LasVegasWally:

Originally posted by evil:

Come draft day, not sure there will be a consensus on who the next best edge rusher is in this class after Bosa. A guy like Ferrell is pro ready whereas the other guys all look like upside/developmental prospects from day one who can contribute some. I think some of them have a much higher upside that CF but there is greater risk associated with each as compared to CF.

Good call!

IMO, Josh is also Pro-Ready.

As a 3-4 LB or SAM in our scheme, yes, as a situational pass rusher, sure, but he has a long way to go IMO to be an every down DE.

Originally posted by Ensatsu:

Originally posted by strickac:
If he truly views edge rushers primarily as run defenders, then he should be fired on the spot.

yes we know.

I truly believe the Saleh and the 49ers braintrust will view Clelin as their #2 edge because of his value at setting the edge.

Our issue closing out games wasn't due to our inability to set the edge...if they go with another edge setter they better pray that guy can keep developing as a pass rusher and QUICKLY.

It's pretty obvious to me that we either take Bosa at #2 if he's there or trade down unless Josh Allen simply blows us away at the senior bowl with his football IQ, playmaking ability, tools and ability to take coaching and grow from it.

Originally posted by genus49:
Our issue closing out games wasn't due to our inability to set the edge...if they go with another edge setter they better pray that guy can keep developing as a pass rusher and QUICKLY.

It's pretty obvious to me that we either take Bosa at #2 if he's there or trade down unless Josh Allen simply blows us away at the senior bowl with his football IQ, playmaking ability, tools and ability to take coaching and grow from it.

yes, I meant in the scenario that Bosa is unavailable, and no one trades up with us. They'll view Clelin as the 2nd best edge in this class because they put too much value in edge setting and big ends on run downs. Until I see Saleh evolve his thinking, this is my assumption.

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

There's more than one way to rush the passer. @TampaBayTre took a deep dive into Clelin Ferrell's tape to show evidence of a player who has matured in his game beyond his limitations. https://t.co/HtfCl4DoYg

— The Draft Network (@DraftNetworkLLC) January 9, 2019

Great piece. Ferrell is legit. Dude has become very underrated around here similar to Mike Mcglinchey last year. As Wrath said, I could see him being the type of edge that collects around ten sacks a year for the next ten years. He reminds me of Terrell Suggs in many ways, especially after seeing how loud and nasty he is lol. I like him a lot more after Monday night.

If we can somehow sign Brandon Graham and Grady Jarrett, then draft Bosa or Ferrell (if Bosa is gone), that would be a major improvement on the DL.

Roll out Graham, Buckner, Jarrett, Bosa/Ferrell week 1 and I think we'd all be juiced.

Originally posted by Furlow:

If we can somehow sign Brandon Graham and Grady Jarrett, then draft Bosa or Ferrell (if Bosa is gone), that would be a major improvement on the DL.

Roll out Graham, Buckner, Jarrett, Bosa/Ferrell week 1 and I think we'd all be juiced.

While I think Jarrett is a great player I don't see SF spending big cash on DTs unless it's on Buckner. I think they're gonna develope their own. I feel like Ferrell/Bosa would play the same position as Graham?

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Furlow:

If we can somehow sign Brandon Graham and Grady Jarrett, then draft Bosa or Ferrell (if Bosa is gone), that would be a major improvement on the DL.

Roll out Graham, Buckner, Jarrett, Bosa/Ferrell week 1 and I think we'd all be juiced.

While I think Jarrett is a great player I don't see SF spending big cash on DTs unless it's on Buckner. I think they're gonna develope their own. I feel like Ferrell/Bosa would play the same position as Graham?

Graham can't play the big DE spot opposite of Bosa/Ferrell?

Originally posted by Furlow:
Graham can't play the big DE spot opposite of Bosa/Ferrell?

He mostly lines up at RDE in Philly's wide-9 alignment