Clelin Ferrell DE Raiders

Originally posted by 808niner4lyphe:

Originally posted by GEEK:
Ferrell is that classic tweener prospect that never found a true fit at a position. He actually reminds me a bit of Charles Omenihu - similar frame and length.

If Key signs elsewhere in FA, I wouldn't mind throwing a late round pick to acquire Ferrell and give him a 1 year extension (lowers his base by $2M). However, I see that as a post-draft move if we don't address DL in FA or the draft.

He's a FA next year there's no need to trade for him, just need Key and Hurst to recruit him and tell him about the culture and the brotherhood the Niners have is REAL!!

I think we will resign Key, but not long term. My hope is for a two year deal for decent money. If he continues on his trajectory- he either leaves us in two years for a massive contract or we make some tough decisions on who to keep and who stays. Good problems, but problems nonetheless. The timeline works out well for a guy like Ferrell, who isn't getting his option picked up. How many D-line do we carry, 9 or 10?

Trade a mid round pick for him or one of our many DTs. Maybe even Greenlaw

Originally posted by Alfienator:
Trade a mid round pick for him or one of our many DTs. Maybe even Greenlaw

No way to all of the above. I wouldn't be against trading greenlaw for a pick, but then it'd have to be used on Troy Anderson

Originally posted by adrianlesnar:

Originally posted by Alfienator:
Trade a mid round pick for him or one of our many DTs. Maybe even Greenlaw

No way to all of the above. I wouldn't be against trading greenlaw for a pick, but then it'd have to be used on Troy Anderson

Lol I just did my mock and included Greenlaw and Jimmy along with a pick next year for Pitts 1st.

Originally posted by adrianlesnar:

Originally posted by Alfienator:
Trade a mid round pick for him or one of our many DTs. Maybe even Greenlaw

No way to all of the above. I wouldn't be against trading greenlaw for a pick, but then it'd have to be used on Troy Anderson

Who's Troy Anderson?

Originally posted by jersey49er:

Originally posted by adrianlesnar:

Originally posted by Alfienator:
Trade a mid round pick for him or one of our many DTs. Maybe even Greenlaw

No way to all of the above. I wouldn't be against trading greenlaw for a pick, but then it'd have to be used on Troy Anderson

Lol I just did my mock and included Greenlaw and Jimmy along with a pick next year for Pitts 1st.

I don't get this. A bonafide starter at LB and a quality starting QB for a single first? You could make an argument Jimmy alone should go for that based on draft trades involving QBs in the last several years. I wouldn't move Greenlaw without another year of production from Shaair. And even if we lose him outright, he'd likely to bring back as a comp pick what we'd be trading him for. The loss of talent on a low contract isn't worth what we'd get unless a team wants to overpay (a 2nd or bettter) for Greenlaw alone, which I don't see any team doing.

Originally posted by Alfienator:

Originally posted by adrianlesnar:

Originally posted by Alfienator:
Trade a mid round pick for him or one of our many DTs. Maybe even Greenlaw

No way to all of the above. I wouldn't be against trading greenlaw for a pick, but then it'd have to be used on Troy Anderson

Who's Troy Anderson?

LBer on Montana state…stupid athletic

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Alfienator:

Originally posted by adrianlesnar:

Originally posted by Alfienator:
Trade a mid round pick for him or one of our many DTs. Maybe even Greenlaw

No way to all of the above. I wouldn't be against trading greenlaw for a pick, but then it'd have to be used on Troy Anderson

Who's Troy Anderson?

LBer on Montana state…stupid athletic

Not seeing much info on him. Late round pick?

Originally posted by Alfienator:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Alfienator:

Originally posted by adrianlesnar:

Originally posted by Alfienator:
Trade a mid round pick for him or one of our many DTs. Maybe even Greenlaw

No way to all of the above. I wouldn't be against trading greenlaw for a pick, but then it'd have to be used on Troy Anderson

Who's Troy Anderson?

LBer on Montana state…stupid athletic

Not seeing much info on him. Late round pick?

My guess is late 3 - early 5

Originally posted by 808niner4lyphe:
Kocurek's next revival project? Kid had untapped potential from college. Raiders don't develop players very well. This kid was destined to be great until the Raiders drafted him and stunned his development. Another team's bust could be another team's treasure. L.Tomlinson and A.Key are just a few that comes to mind on bust to good starters for the Niners.

EExactly what I was thinking

This kid could flourish in the wide-nine system

Originally posted by SlowDownBoy:

Originally posted by 808niner4lyphe:
Kocurek's next revival project? Kid had untapped potential from college. Raiders don't develop players very well. This kid was destined to be great until the Raiders drafted him and stunned his development. Another team's bust could be another team's treasure. L.Tomlinson and A.Key are just a few that comes to mind on bust to good starters for the Niners.

EExactly what I was thinking

This kid could flourish in the wide-nine system

If they sign him, do it for a low cost 2 year deal, just in case he breaks out. Keep the guarantees low to none at all if possible.

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

Originally posted by SlowDownBoy:

Originally posted by 808niner4lyphe:
Kocurek's next revival project? Kid had untapped potential from college. Raiders don't develop players very well. This kid was destined to be great until the Raiders drafted him and stunned his development. Another team's bust could be another team's treasure. L.Tomlinson and A.Key are just a few that comes to mind on bust to good starters for the Niners.

EExactly what I was thinking

This kid could flourish in the wide-nine system

If they sign him, do it for a low cost 2 year deal, just in case he breaks out. Keep the guarantees low to none at all if possible.

Its an old post, but I'm curious what it is that makes that poster think the cure to Ferrell's lack of production is a wider alignment.

Originally posted by adrianlesnar:

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

Originally posted by SlowDownBoy:

Originally posted by 808niner4lyphe:
Kocurek's next revival project? Kid had untapped potential from college. Raiders don't develop players very well. This kid was destined to be great until the Raiders drafted him and stunned his development. Another team's bust could be another team's treasure. L.Tomlinson and A.Key are just a few that comes to mind on bust to good starters for the Niners.

EExactly what I was thinking

This kid could flourish in the wide-nine system

If they sign him, do it for a low cost 2 year deal, just in case he breaks out. Keep the guarantees low to none at all if possible.

Its an old post, but I'm curious what it is that makes that poster think the cure to Ferrell's lack of production is a wider alignment.

Wide 9 allows the rusher more time before the O-linemen gets his hands on you without increasing the distance so much that it becomes a detriment to the rusher's goals. This allows an opportunity to identify, think, set up, gain momentum, etc. Imo there are a ton of benefits to the wide nine and very few negatives which are easily addressed with fast and smart linebackers. I personally don't understand why the Wide 9 isn't used more often throughout the league and imo has a lot to do with why coordinators like Fangio who dislikes the wide 9 aren't even considered when we need a DC.

Originally posted by WINiner:

Originally posted by adrianlesnar:

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

Originally posted by SlowDownBoy:

Originally posted by 808niner4lyphe:
Kocurek's next revival project? Kid had untapped potential from college. Raiders don't develop players very well. This kid was destined to be great until the Raiders drafted him and stunned his development. Another team's bust could be another team's treasure. L.Tomlinson and A.Key are just a few that comes to mind on bust to good starters for the Niners.

EExactly what I was thinking

This kid could flourish in the wide-nine system

If they sign him, do it for a low cost 2 year deal, just in case he breaks out. Keep the guarantees low to none at all if possible.

Its an old post, but I'm curious what it is that makes that poster think the cure to Ferrell's lack of production is a wider alignment.

Wide 9 allows the rusher more time before the O-linemen gets his hands on you without increasing the distance so much that it becomes a detriment to the rusher's goals. This allows an opportunity to identify, think, set up, gain momentum, etc. Imo there are a ton of benefits to the wide nine and very few negatives which are easily addressed with fast and smart linebackers. I personally don't understand why the Wide 9 isn't used more often throughout the league and imo has a lot to do with why coordinators like Fangio who dislikes the wide 9 aren't even considered when we need a DC.

Vulnerability to the run, like we were in 2019. Most teams do not have what we have.

Rather bring back Key.