Jerick 'Jet' McKinnon is a Chief.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

So you're telling me we can't find a single RB in the draft or cheaper than Coleman that doesn't fumble the ball? Great let's pay him top 12 money so he can actually be avg at running the ball and catching the ball....but hey at least he will hold onto it.

What does JG have to do with Coleman?

Man people love to s**t on Jimmy G who actually performed well overall, but love to defend at s**tty RB and can't seem to fathom the concept of how replaceable the RB position is vs oh I don't know the QB position

You make ball security sound unimportant.

Jimmy is our qb. He fumbles a lot. We need our rbs to make up for that by being better than average with ball security. Thats how jimmy fits in to the discussion.

Now coleman is sh%tty? Calm down.

Originally posted by TheXFactor:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Why the hate? Colemans fine. He good.

he's avg and has gotten outplayed by a UDFA. This team is in need of cap relief and he happens to play the most replaceable position in football ….throw in he's on a team-option deal IMO it's a easy cut.

No he's not, your dead wrong.

And speaking of getting outplayed, Mostert got outplayed and couldn't win snaps over average talent like Mike Davis, Shaun Draughn and Dujuan Harris in 2016......

Not everything is so black and white. This offense is perfect for both Coleman and Raheem.

Chip Kelly and his scheme suck balls.

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

You make ball security sound unimportant.

Jimmy is our qb. He fumbles a lot. We need our rbs to make up for that by being better than average with ball security. Thats how jimmy fits in to the discussion.

Now coleman is sh%tty? Calm down.

He's avg....never said he was s**tty. He doesn't do anything well. Great he can hold onto the ball. I'm pretty sure anyone can find a RB that can do that late in the draft. What separates good from avg is how you are at RUNNING the football. something he's avg at best at doing. All his stats back that up.

As far as Jimmy fumbles a lot....when is that on him and not on the OL holding blocks?

https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/player-stat/fumbles

Originally posted by 49ers90sBaby:
You've let this go to your head. Why tf would you release coleman when he was a big reason you got to the playoffs in the first place ?? Im glad kyle doesnt think like you, you're leaving your rb group up to Mostert and Breida. He only had a few good games , noe if he actually sucks this season and we cant run the ball, you'll be asking for Coleman back

How was a he a big reason? explain this to me? He was third on the team in rushing yards...when he was out this running game didn't skip a beat. Why am I asking for him back when they were fine when he wasn't there

I'm talking about drafting a RB that can at least be AVG what Coleman was...at least you don't have to pay him $5M.

Listen this is all I'm saying...SF is in a MUCH different position then in the past. This team doesn't have $50M+ to burn on whomever. They have to start making tough decisions. They have some good young core players that need to be signed/extended this yr and next.

As far as how the relates to the RB room. You have TOO MUCH cash invested in that position, period. They're 3rd in the league in $ currently invested at the position and it's not like we have a Zeke or Bell on the team...

There is mounds of analytical evidence backing up that you DO NOT need to invest top money/draft capital at RB to have success there. Go look at our team and all the Shanahan teams.

Cutting Coleman saves around $5M. Restructuring McK can save up to $6M...that's $11M that can go towards AA/Ward/Sanders or upgrading oh I don't know the IOL. If you don't think that is more important than I disagree.

If you think we can't find a RB on say day 3 of the draft that can get 544 yards and hold onto the football (what Coleman did) then I will disagree with you.

It's has nothing to do with if I'm a hater of Coleman or that I like McK...it makes financial sense and it makes sense based on what Bobby Turner and the shanahan's have been able to do with no-name RBs for decades.

It will be interesting for sure.

McK will definitely take a cut in pay and if he's healthy I think he'll produce big time.

The odd man out in my opinion will be Breida and not Coleman.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Listen this is all I'm saying...SF is in a MUCH different position then in the past. This team doesn't have $50M+ to burn on whomever. They have to start making tough decisions. They have some good young core players that need to be signed/extended this yr and next.

As far as how the relates to the RB room. You have TOO MUCH cash invested in that position, period. They're 3rd in the league in $ currently invested at the position and it's not like we have a Zeke or Bell on the team...

There is mounds of analytical evidence backing up that you DO NOT need to invest top money/draft capital at RB to have success there. Go look at our team and all the Shanahan teams.

Cutting Coleman saves around $5M. Restructuring McK can save up to $6M...that's $11M that can go towards AA/Ward/Sanders or upgrading oh I don't know the IOL. If you don't think that is more important than I disagree.

If you think we can't find a RB on say day 3 of the draft that can get 544 yards and hold onto the football (what Coleman did) then I will disagree with you.

It's has nothing to do with if I'm a hater of Coleman or that I like McK...it makes financial sense and it makes sense based on what Bobby Turner and the shanahan's have been able to do with no-name RBs for decades.

Makes sense. I'd be surprised if the team did that though. Shanny likes using multiple backs and backs in general tend to be pretty injury prone. You're 1 break or 2 from running with guys straight off the street. Which he can do but it's not his preference. They'll likely make cuts at rb but I don't see them running with nothing but minimum contracts.

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Makes sense. I'd be surprised if the team did that though. Shanny likes using multiple backs and backs in general tend to be pretty injury prone. You're 1 break or 2 from running with guys straight off the street. Which he can do but it's not his preference. They'll likely make cuts at rb but I don't see them running with nothing but minimum contracts.

Mostert isn't on a min contract anymore. He's got a cap hit of $3M. They can tender Brieda to the lowest deal...maybe someone throws him a bigger contract if so good luck, if not you got him cheap for one more yr. I got no problem riding a rookie RB for like 100 or so carries as well.

If jet is healthy (big if) you got another cheap guy with a good skill set. Regardless you safe real money by restructuring him, which is what matters with Jet at this pt anything else is gravy.

Rather have money pushed to another position.

Originally posted by LasVegasWally:

It will be interesting for sure.

McK will definitely take a cut in pay and if he's healthy I think he'll produce big time.

The odd man out in my opinion will be Breida and not Coleman.

It might go that route as well.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Still dumping on Coleman in here huh?

He's not good and is over paid don't know what else to tell ya prove me wrong.

If you want to say he is overpaid, fine.

But you saying "he's not good" is absolutely laughable, especially when you say that at the same time you are advocating for Jerrick McKinnon.

Jerrick McKinnon HAS NEVER BEEN BETTER than Tevin Coleman. NEVER. Why is that so difficult for you to understand? And the fact that theres a very good chance JM isnt even as good as he was 2 years ago.

You have a totally biased opinion here for some reason, and you are masking that opinion with your money argument which we can all see right through. If your argument was 100% about money (which it isnt), then people wouldn't be debating with you about this as much. But you are continually dumping on Coleman and frankly it's getting quite ridiculous.

And to expand even more, NY you are advocating restructuring McKinnon, cutting Coleman, and drafting a rookie.

You think Shanahan/Lynch, who sees this team as a Superbowl contender, would be good with having a RB corps of:

Mostert
McKinnon
Wilson
Rookie

?

Because I dont see any chance in hell that they would be comfortable with this.

Mostert is awesome. No problems there. If we get one snap of regular season play from McKinnon, that will be a pleasant surprise. His reliability couldnt possibly be closer to zero than it is. Wilson is fine as a 3rd back and goalline back I suppose. And a rookie? You cant say with any sort of certainty that this late round rookie can be reliable.

So basically, you have one reliable lead back, a good 3rd down back, and question marks. Yeah there is virtually no chance that is how we will construct our running game.

Why does everyone think that McKinnon can just come in and take a spot? He hasn't played in two years.

And before you talk about the money we need to re-sign Sanders, restructuring McKinnon (and eventually cutting) and dumping Solomon Thomas (a player that no objective person could believe is more valuable than Coleman), would accomplish basically the same thing in terms of saving money.

There are other creative ways to save money over cutting the 2nd most reliable running back on our team.

Had us cutting him in my mock but NY said restructuring him saves more, please explain ? But IMO he gets cut regardless even after the restructure

Originally posted by NYniner85:

He's avg....never said he was s**tty. He doesn't do anything well. Great he can hold onto the ball. I'm pretty sure anyone can find a RB that can do that late in the draft. What separates good from avg is how you are at RUNNING the football. something he's avg at best at doing. All his stats back that up.

As far as Jimmy fumbles a lot....when is that on him and not on the OL holding blocks?

https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/player-stat/fumbles

Yes you did say.

Who cares if it's Jimmy G or the offensive line. Point is we can't have backs fumbling too much because the ball is already on the ground too often. Anyway anyway we could do a lot worse than Coleman. He's a good guy to have