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  • JMC52
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Originally posted by 49ers808:
We should just convert him to WR already

Huh?
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Originally posted by WestCoastForever:
Originally posted by JTsBiggestFan:
Originally posted by WestCoastForever:
Jimmy is not a bad deep thrower. It hasn't been his forte, but he can make and has made every throw on the field from what I've seen.

The coach certainly deserves credit for calling plays that succeed--that's his job, but Shanny has yet to execute a single play.

Jet will play to Jimmy's wheelhouse. I am looking forward to Shanny cooking up some rousers!

I don't think improving Jimmy's options in the short game with Trent and McKinnon will hurt him with the deep ball. Need to take a few shots a game.

I remember reading an old article circa 2011 or so that the Shanahans valued deep passing because the risks weren't great but rewards could be big. Plus I think with Rex Grossman, making the most of possessions was a big deal.

I believe it will all come together this season.

I agree. I think Kyle is always aiming for the ultimate offense. He's got his reliable running game; and the short passing game can be machine-like now with the return of Taylor and Jet. The only element that has been lacking, is a reliable deep threat. We should see more of it this season with Aiyuk, and teams trying to stifle the short game.

The same evolution of the system was true for Walsh, before he finally got his deep threat in Jerry.

Kyle's ideal offense has always been one where the defense has to cover every blade of grass on the field. While Bourne has gotten some deep passes in practice, he's never been that guy in games. The three receivers who (on paper) have the ability to attack all three levels with speed and quickness are Aiyuk, Deebo, and Pettis.

Mostert/McKinnon, Kittle/Reed/Juice, Deebo/Aiyuk/Taylor/Pettis/Bourne -- these groups can be deployed in so many different combinations to make our offense dangerous at every level.

21 personnel could be 11 personnel with McKinnon on the field. We could run 22 personnel with Reed/Kittle/Juice/McKinnon that turns into 13 personnel. So many variations. I'm pretty hyped to see how it plays out.

This is the one I am most intrigued with. If Reed can stay on the field, 22 is the grouping I can see giving opposing defense fits because of the talent on the field and because defenses don't normally practice against it. Do they remove a CB to matchup or do they stay on base (2 CBs)? Better have LBs that can cover because one of them will be covering Reed or Kittle.

If linebackers can't cover McKinnon, Reed, or Kittle... what are they going to do? Run dime all game? Run the 3-3-5? We will gash them all day with the run if that's the case.

A couple question marks about that grouping though. Does Jet have the vision to be an effective runner (compared to Mostert)? Jet had limited action in MIN and we haven't seen him in a 49er uniform. I'll trust Kyle here.
Reed is not a strong run blocker so whichever side he lines up on will be considerably weaker compared to Kittle's side. Does this tip off the defense enough that they don't fear Reed's side to be the playside on runs? Kyle will line up both TEs to one side on occasion.

If you run 22 personnel, I'm not sure it matters too much, because you could have Mostert and McKinnon on the field at the same time. McKinnon could then split out wide and with Trent and McGlinchey, two guys who are already very strong run blockers, they can create lanes on their own honestly lol.

and Juice creates such good running lanes or Canalley's
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Hopefully, McKinnon shows something this year - we need him to be healthy.
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Originally posted by mayo49:
Hopefully, McKinnon shows something this year - we need him to be healthy.

AGree, but (knock on wood) if something happens, I'd be excited to see Hasty in action.
Originally posted by JMC52:
Originally posted by 49ers808:
We should just convert him to WR already

Huh?

Was meant more as a joke with all our guys dropping. He may actually be a better WR than some of the guys we bringing in, at least from the slot
I mean I wouldn't mind converting him to a RB/WR gadget type player. If he's actually healthy this season, we don't want to waste his talent
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Originally posted by WestCoastForever:
Originally posted by JTsBiggestFan:
Originally posted by WestCoastForever:
Jimmy is not a bad deep thrower. It hasn't been his forte, but he can make and has made every throw on the field from what I've seen.

The coach certainly deserves credit for calling plays that succeed--that's his job, but Shanny has yet to execute a single play.

Jet will play to Jimmy's wheelhouse. I am looking forward to Shanny cooking up some rousers!

I don't think improving Jimmy's options in the short game with Trent and McKinnon will hurt him with the deep ball. Need to take a few shots a game.

I remember reading an old article circa 2011 or so that the Shanahans valued deep passing because the risks weren't great but rewards could be big. Plus I think with Rex Grossman, making the most of possessions was a big deal.

I believe it will all come together this season.

I agree. I think Kyle is always aiming for the ultimate offense. He's got his reliable running game; and the short passing game can be machine-like now with the return of Taylor and Jet. The only element that has been lacking, is a reliable deep threat. We should see more of it this season with Aiyuk, and teams trying to stifle the short game.

The same evolution of the system was true for Walsh, before he finally got his deep threat in Jerry.

Kyle's ideal offense has always been one where the defense has to cover every blade of grass on the field. While Bourne has gotten some deep passes in practice, he's never been that guy in games. The three receivers who (on paper) have the ability to attack all three levels with speed and quickness are Aiyuk, Deebo, and Pettis.

Mostert/McKinnon, Kittle/Reed/Juice, Deebo/Aiyuk/Taylor/Pettis/Bourne -- these groups can be deployed in so many different combinations to make our offense dangerous at every level.

21 personnel could be 11 personnel with McKinnon on the field. We could run 22 personnel with Reed/Kittle/Juice/McKinnon that turns into 13 personnel. So many variations. I'm pretty hyped to see how it plays out.

This is the one I am most intrigued with. If Reed can stay on the field, 22 is the grouping I can see giving opposing defense fits because of the talent on the field and because defenses don't normally practice against it. Do they remove a CB to matchup or do they stay on base (2 CBs)? Better have LBs that can cover because one of them will be covering Reed or Kittle.

If linebackers can't cover McKinnon, Reed, or Kittle... what are they going to do? Run dime all game? Run the 3-3-5? We will gash them all day with the run if that's the case.

A couple question marks about that grouping though. Does Jet have the vision to be an effective runner (compared to Mostert)? Jet had limited action in MIN and we haven't seen him in a 49er uniform. I'll trust Kyle here.
Reed is not a strong run blocker so whichever side he lines up on will be considerably weaker compared to Kittle's side. Does this tip off the defense enough that they don't fear Reed's side to be the playside on runs? Kyle will line up both TEs to one side on occasion.

If you run 22 personnel, I'm not sure it matters too much, because you could have Mostert and McKinnon on the field at the same time. McKinnon could then split out wide and with Trent and McGlinchey, two guys who are already very strong run blockers, they can create lanes on their own honestly lol.

We've talked about having two halfbacks on the field at the same time - you lose a run blocker. Neither Mostert or Jet are going to lead block for the other. If a defense sees this (Jet/Mostert on the field at the same time), they'd matchup with the 49ers by treating one of them like a WR. The beauty of having Juice on the field is that he provides a threat in the run game as a lead blocker.

No I get that, but that's the point in response to tipping the hand. Obviously it would be even better with Juice.

But the ability to run 22 personnel and shift into shotgun 11 personnel because you have 3 guys who can act as receivers, now you can catch them in a base defense against a 3-wide set.
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Originally posted by WestCoastForever:
Originally posted by JTsBiggestFan:
Originally posted by WestCoastForever:
Jimmy is not a bad deep thrower. It hasn't been his forte, but he can make and has made every throw on the field from what I've seen.

The coach certainly deserves credit for calling plays that succeed--that's his job, but Shanny has yet to execute a single play.

Jet will play to Jimmy's wheelhouse. I am looking forward to Shanny cooking up some rousers!

I don't think improving Jimmy's options in the short game with Trent and McKinnon will hurt him with the deep ball. Need to take a few shots a game.

I remember reading an old article circa 2011 or so that the Shanahans valued deep passing because the risks weren't great but rewards could be big. Plus I think with Rex Grossman, making the most of possessions was a big deal.

I believe it will all come together this season.

I agree. I think Kyle is always aiming for the ultimate offense. He's got his reliable running game; and the short passing game can be machine-like now with the return of Taylor and Jet. The only element that has been lacking, is a reliable deep threat. We should see more of it this season with Aiyuk, and teams trying to stifle the short game.

The same evolution of the system was true for Walsh, before he finally got his deep threat in Jerry.

Kyle's ideal offense has always been one where the defense has to cover every blade of grass on the field. While Bourne has gotten some deep passes in practice, he's never been that guy in games. The three receivers who (on paper) have the ability to attack all three levels with speed and quickness are Aiyuk, Deebo, and Pettis.

Mostert/McKinnon, Kittle/Reed/Juice, Deebo/Aiyuk/Taylor/Pettis/Bourne -- these groups can be deployed in so many different combinations to make our offense dangerous at every level.

21 personnel could be 11 personnel with McKinnon on the field. We could run 22 personnel with Reed/Kittle/Juice/McKinnon that turns into 13 personnel. So many variations. I'm pretty hyped to see how it plays out.

This is the one I am most intrigued with. If Reed can stay on the field, 22 is the grouping I can see giving opposing defense fits because of the talent on the field and because defenses don't normally practice against it. Do they remove a CB to matchup or do they stay on base (2 CBs)? Better have LBs that can cover because one of them will be covering Reed or Kittle.

If linebackers can't cover McKinnon, Reed, or Kittle... what are they going to do? Run dime all game? Run the 3-3-5? We will gash them all day with the run if that's the case.

A couple question marks about that grouping though. Does Jet have the vision to be an effective runner (compared to Mostert)? Jet had limited action in MIN and we haven't seen him in a 49er uniform. I'll trust Kyle here.
Reed is not a strong run blocker so whichever side he lines up on will be considerably weaker compared to Kittle's side. Does this tip off the defense enough that they don't fear Reed's side to be the playside on runs? Kyle will line up both TEs to one side on occasion.

If you run 22 personnel, I'm not sure it matters too much, because you could have Mostert and McKinnon on the field at the same time. McKinnon could then split out wide and with Trent and McGlinchey, two guys who are already very strong run blockers, they can create lanes on their own honestly lol.

We've talked about having two halfbacks on the field at the same time - you lose a run blocker. Neither Mostert or Jet are going to lead block for the other. If a defense sees this (Jet/Mostert on the field at the same time), they'd matchup with the 49ers by treating one of them like a WR. The beauty of having Juice on the field is that he provides a threat in the run game as a lead blocker.
McKinnon is a good blocker.
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I would love for him to have a Garrison Hearst type comeback.
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Originally posted by 49erF90:
McKinnon is a good blocker.

It'll help him stay in the game.
Originally posted by pdc20:
I would love for him to have a Garrison Hearst type comeback.

yup, hearst missed '99 & '00
Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
Originally posted by pdc20:
I would love for him to have a Garrison Hearst type comeback.

yup, hearst missed '99 & '00


still remember it like it was yesterday

TO blocking 3 guys at the end, man i loved him before he went loony.

[ Edited by ChicoCorrales on Aug 30, 2020 at 4:37 AM ]
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Originally posted by ChicoCorrales:
Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
Originally posted by pdc20:
I would love for him to have a Garrison Hearst type comeback.

yup, hearst missed '99 & '00


still remember it like it was yesterday

TO blocking 3 guys at the end, man i loved him before he went loony.

Got goosebumps
Originally posted by ChicoCorrales:
Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
Originally posted by pdc20:
I would love for him to have a Garrison Hearst type comeback.

yup, hearst missed '99 & '00


still remember it like it was yesterday

TO blocking 3 guys at the end, man i loved him before he went loony.


I like the uniform. Maybe because the video is old but the pants actually look gold and not stale mustard.
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Originally posted by 49erF90:
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Originally posted by WestCoastForever:
Originally posted by JTsBiggestFan:
Originally posted by WestCoastForever:
Jimmy is not a bad deep thrower. It hasn't been his forte, but he can make and has made every throw on the field from what I've seen.

The coach certainly deserves credit for calling plays that succeed--that's his job, but Shanny has yet to execute a single play.

Jet will play to Jimmy's wheelhouse. I am looking forward to Shanny cooking up some rousers!

I don't think improving Jimmy's options in the short game with Trent and McKinnon will hurt him with the deep ball. Need to take a few shots a game.

I remember reading an old article circa 2011 or so that the Shanahans valued deep passing because the risks weren't great but rewards could be big. Plus I think with Rex Grossman, making the most of possessions was a big deal.

I believe it will all come together this season.

I agree. I think Kyle is always aiming for the ultimate offense. He's got his reliable running game; and the short passing game can be machine-like now with the return of Taylor and Jet. The only element that has been lacking, is a reliable deep threat. We should see more of it this season with Aiyuk, and teams trying to stifle the short game.

The same evolution of the system was true for Walsh, before he finally got his deep threat in Jerry.

Kyle's ideal offense has always been one where the defense has to cover every blade of grass on the field. While Bourne has gotten some deep passes in practice, he's never been that guy in games. The three receivers who (on paper) have the ability to attack all three levels with speed and quickness are Aiyuk, Deebo, and Pettis.

Mostert/McKinnon, Kittle/Reed/Juice, Deebo/Aiyuk/Taylor/Pettis/Bourne -- these groups can be deployed in so many different combinations to make our offense dangerous at every level.

21 personnel could be 11 personnel with McKinnon on the field. We could run 22 personnel with Reed/Kittle/Juice/McKinnon that turns into 13 personnel. So many variations. I'm pretty hyped to see how it plays out.

This is the one I am most intrigued with. If Reed can stay on the field, 22 is the grouping I can see giving opposing defense fits because of the talent on the field and because defenses don't normally practice against it. Do they remove a CB to matchup or do they stay on base (2 CBs)? Better have LBs that can cover because one of them will be covering Reed or Kittle.

If linebackers can't cover McKinnon, Reed, or Kittle... what are they going to do? Run dime all game? Run the 3-3-5? We will gash them all day with the run if that's the case.

A couple question marks about that grouping though. Does Jet have the vision to be an effective runner (compared to Mostert)? Jet had limited action in MIN and we haven't seen him in a 49er uniform. I'll trust Kyle here.
Reed is not a strong run blocker so whichever side he lines up on will be considerably weaker compared to Kittle's side. Does this tip off the defense enough that they don't fear Reed's side to be the playside on runs? Kyle will line up both TEs to one side on occasion.

If you run 22 personnel, I'm not sure it matters too much, because you could have Mostert and McKinnon on the field at the same time. McKinnon could then split out wide and with Trent and McGlinchey, two guys who are already very strong run blockers, they can create lanes on their own honestly lol.

We've talked about having two halfbacks on the field at the same time - you lose a run blocker. Neither Mostert or Jet are going to lead block for the other. If a defense sees this (Jet/Mostert on the field at the same time), they'd matchup with the 49ers by treating one of them like a WR. The beauty of having Juice on the field is that he provides a threat in the run game as a lead blocker.
McKinnon is a good blocker.

I'm not talking about pass protection. I'm talking about having him lead block versus a linebacker on a run play. That's not happening.
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