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Bluesbro
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Originally posted by Giedi:
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by Giedi:
Very nice! 
McKinnon is a very good third-down, pass-catching and change of pace back. What he is not is a guy who can run inside and break tackles. In other words, he's not a feature back who can handle 300 carries in a season. I hope for the sake of McKinnon and the 49ers that the latter has figured that out.
4th highest paid back in football, a guy who can't handle a full workload.
Yeah, so what. He probably can take a draw play to the house from the 20 yard line. Kyle throws more than he runs the ball, point 1, and secondly, when the defense rushes Jimmy, you want a counter to that to slow the pass rush down, and I think this guy fits the bill as a screen pass RB and he has the speed to take tosses to the end zone. I agree, I wouldn't want him running between the tackles, that would be Juzkuzic's job, or somebody else we draft. But man, I can't wait to see this guy with tosses, quick hitters, and draw plays!
The question to ask yourself is who was the bruising RB for Shanny when he was in Atl? The answer is no one really, Freeman was the closest thing. I don't think he has to have that back to be successful. It seems to be speed and the ability to catch the ball that he covets the most, and if you can pass protect so much the better. If the 49ers can land a true young, big #1 WR threat to what they already have, how in the hell are you going to defend this team over the next several years?
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ColorMeBaddFan
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Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
All those other guys were full time backs which had defenses zeroing in on them. Nobody went into a game with the Vikings thinking "we gotta shut down their 3rd string RB."
Backup RBs often have a higher YPC than the starter for the sane reason. Let McKinnon get 20 carries a game and see how those numbers hold up.
I don't think he's getting 20 carries a game. Everyone is trying to do the Philly-Saints thing from last season, especially the Saints-Kamara thing. Kamara literally had fewer than 8 carries a game and around 5 receptions a game -- a total of 13 touches a game. McKinnon isn't Kamara, but there probably isn't a team in the league that wouldn't want Kamara for around $10 million per year right now.
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a49erfan77
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Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by a49erfan77:
What a terrible signing. 
All those other guys were full time backs which had defenses zeroing in on them. Nobody went into a game with the Vikings thinking "we gotta shut down their 3rd string RB."
Backup RBs often have a higher YPC than the starter for the sane reason. Let McKinnon get 20 carries a game and see how those numbers hold up.
Full-time backs? McCoy, Bell, sure.
Crowell: 15 touches per game
Lewis: 15 touches per game
Jet: 13 touches per game
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Ninerjohn
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Originally posted by AB81Rules:
i have no issue signing McKinnon, I'll wait until we see how it's structured, most likely has incentives, cause $7.5M a yr seems like a lot for a guy who's never played 3 downs in the NFL. I'm guessing the APY comes in more close to $5.5M a yr(I hope anyway)
I agree that we need to see the contract before really making a real evaluation. In todays NFL most contracts really are about the first year and the signing bonus. (unless you are Kirk Cousins
) If this deal has fully guaranteed money then it is a bad deal in my opinion. If not and the team can get out of it if McKinnon doesnt perform to the level of the contract then its not a big deal.
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RonMexico
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Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by a49erfan77:
What a terrible signing.
All those other guys were full time backs which had defenses zeroing in on them. Nobody went into a game with the Vikings thinking "we gotta shut down their 3rd string RB."
Backup RBs often have a higher YPC than the starter for the sane reason. Let McKinnon get 20 carries a game and see how those numbers hold up.
Like all those 20 carry games Freeman got in 2016 amirite
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Giedi
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Originally posted by a49erfan77:
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
They've got pretty much no one who can run inside or is good at picking up yards after contact at this point so I'd think its a an absolute necessity to draft someone who can handle inside zone, short yardage....etc.
I don't want to see a single one of these guys in a goalline situation.
FWIW, McKinnon averaged more yards after contact than Hyde and forced more miss tackles per rush and reception.
If he can make the Defense miss tackles after a pass catch - a la Roger Craig - he's worth the money they are paying him.
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Giedi
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Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by SteveYoung:
Quality insight
That was all that comment deserved.
Juszcyzk is a great blocker and receiver, he has like 15 career carries. Mike Alstott he is not. If your plan is to constantly run him on 3rd and short and goalline situations where the defense comes to expect him to get the ball, you need a better plan.
Meh, fake to Juszcyzk and toss to Mckinnon.
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Originally posted by a49erfan77:
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by a49erfan77:
What a terrible signing.
All those other guys were full time backs which had defenses zeroing in on them. Nobody went into a game with the Vikings thinking "we gotta shut down their 3rd string RB."
Backup RBs often have a higher YPC than the starter for the sane reason. Let McKinnon get 20 carries a game and see how those numbers hold up.
Full-time backs? McCoy, Bell, sure.
Crowell: 15 touches per game
Lewis: 15 touches per game
Jet: 13 touches per game
That's pretty good per touch. Nobody even knows the structure of the contact or has any clue how Kyle will use him. How is this a horrible signing when you don't know any facts? I guess we'll see in September.
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BMoore56
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Combine his contract with Kyle Juc and how much are we paying the backs?
. this better be incentive loaded.
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NeeJ49er
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it was tough to watch the Vikings rushing attack two seasons ago, with McKinnon and Matt Asiata sharing the carries in a power run scheme, with a poor offensive line it was brutal to watch, as they averaged 2.7 yards a carry, it wasn't until Pat Shurmur started using him as a receiver out of the backfield last year, and Jerick started making plays, so I'm thinking he will be a nice weapon in Shanahans running scheme , but I still say we need a power back for short yardage situations
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Originally posted by ColorMeBaddFan:
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
All those other guys were full time backs which had defenses zeroing in on them. Nobody went into a game with the Vikings thinking "we gotta shut down their 3rd string RB."
Backup RBs often have a higher YPC than the starter for the sane reason. Let McKinnon get 20 carries a game and see how those numbers hold up.
I don't think he's getting 20 carries a game. Everyone is trying to do the Philly-Saints thing from last season, especially the Saints-Kamara thing. Kamara literally had fewer than 8 carries a game and around 5 receptions a game -- a total of 13 touches a game. McKinnon isn't Kamara, but there probably isn't a team in the league that wouldn't want Kamara for around $10 million per year right now.
McJet ain't getting 20 touches a game, never mind 20 carries. He'll be the Freeman to a tbd Coleman (or vice versa). Awesome draft for RBs. Gone be a nasty backfield.
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I admit I don't know much about him, but his SPARQ is off the charts and I trust Shanalynch would not throw money like that unless the dude has game...
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Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by a49erfan77:
What a terrible signing.
All those other guys were full time backs which had defenses zeroing in on them. Nobody went into a game with the Vikings thinking "we gotta shut down their 3rd string RB."
Backup RBs often have a higher YPC than the starter for the sane reason. Let McKinnon get 20 carries a game and see how those numbers hold up.
KS as a play caller has handed the ball to a RB for 20 Carries or more only 12 times in his last 48 games. We'll be ok