Jerick 'Jet' McKinnon is a Chief.

Originally posted by northvan49erman:

And the ol' "you think you're smarter than the coach argument." is just about the weakest argument anyone can come up with in sports.

This is what you think, really? Especially when the coach in question was the architect of one of the most prolific offenses in NFL history only two years ago. Yeah, I think he is smarter than you and any one of us.

Originally posted by RabidNiner:

Originally posted by northvan49erman:

Sure I hope it works out, we all do. But this is the second offseason in a row with some questionable overpayments for marginal players.

Have people forgotten the team started 0-10 last year? One good trade doesn't excuse a number of poor decisions.

I've forgotten it. Could you point it out to me?

Sneaky RabidNiner

Originally posted by fanmusclecars:
Typical webzone over analysis.

Well considering the math is wrong and Breida actually has a higher yards per touch than a dude they just signed to a $30 million contract, I disagree.

It blows my mind how people are complaining about $7 million dollars lol...like that's a ton of cash in today's game with the current cap.

KC is giving Sammy Watkins $14 million a yr for what? He had 593 rec yards, McKinnon had 421 rec yards. Throw in the rushing yards, put him in a better offense scheme, and with a better QB and that's a solid deal imo.

I mean would people be totally fine if he was making $5 million per? What the hell is $2 million when the cap is $178 million.

Originally posted by jonnydel:

What this really makes you wonder is why is the Vikings offensive line this bad at run blocking??? When your RB's are that close in Y/A that's not just similar ability, that's consistency in the OL one way or the other. In that way, it's consistently not good. Case Keenum deserves more credit. Good grief. No wonder DEN picked him up.

Vikings OL


2015-10th in run blocking
2016-30th in run blocking
2017-19th in run blocking


49ers OL

2015-32nd in run blocking
2016-32nd in run blocking
2017-11th in run blocking




https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ol2015

Originally posted by RabidNiner:

Originally posted by northvan49erman:

Sure I hope it works out, we all do. But this is the second offseason in a row with some questionable overpayments for marginal players.

Have people forgotten the team started 0-10 last year? One good trade doesn't excuse a number of poor decisions.

I've forgotten it. Could you point it out to me?

People also forget how many of those games came down to the wire or were winnable.

Originally posted by Bluesbro:

Originally posted by northvan49erman:

And the ol' "you think you're smarter than the coach argument." is just about the weakest argument anyone can come up with in sports.

This is what you think, really? Especially when the coach in question was the architect of one of the most prolific offenses in NFL history only two years ago. Yeah, I think he is smarter than you and any one of us.

No, the point is, resorting to that sort of ad hominem isn't an actual argument for or against anything.

If Bill Belichick hated the Mckinnon signing and Kyle Shanahan loved it, where does that leave us? There are experts with differing opinions on the same issue.

So, to say, "you think you know more than the coach" is a ridiculous argument, because there are other coaches who would likely be for or against the point.

Originally posted by Bluesbro:

Originally posted by northvan49erman:

And the ol' "you think you're smarter than the coach argument." is just about the weakest argument anyone can come up with in sports.

This is what you think, really? Especially when the coach in question was the architect of one of the most prolific offenses in NFL history only two years ago. Yeah, I think he is smarter than you and any one of us.

Pretty much

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
All those other guys were full time backs which had defenses zeroing in on them. Nobody went into a game with the Vikings thinking "we gotta shut down their 3rd string RB."

Backup RBs often have a higher YPC than the starter for the sane reason. Let McKinnon get 20 carries a game and see how those numbers hold up.

Jerick McKinnon has the vision, speed and versatility that Kyle Shanahan covets. He looks like a natural in the run, screen and pass game. #49ers pic.twitter.com/crEN6uTBrd

— Rob Lowder (@Rob_Lowder) March 14, 2018

This is the s**t he will be used in....look at that last play how you gonna stop that? Kyle gonna have a field day with the jet lined up on a LBer

WOOOOWWwwwww! We got a gud'un!

Originally posted by StubbyNBY:

We're all in on Georgia Southern RB's lol!

Yeah, anymore on the market lol.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

It blows my mind how people are complaining about $7 million dollars lol...like that's a ton of cash in today's game with the current cap.

KC is giving Sammy Watkins $14 million a yr for what? He had 593 rec yards, McKinnon had 421 rec yards. Throw in the rushing yards, put him in a better offense scheme, and with a better QB and that's a solid deal imo.

I mean would people be totally fine if he was making $5 million per? What the hell is $2 million when the cap is $178 million.

I'm going to quote you on this one later.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by Niners816:

Originally posted by Giedi:
I like the fact that Kyle can go from 21 personnel to 11 personnel just by changing the formation. Do defenses play base or nickel or dime?

Man o Man 2018 is going to be *fun* to watch offensively.

Not to get nitpicky, but formation doesn't dictate personnel grouping. Personnel always dictates it. If there is 2 backs and 1 TE on the field it will always be 21 personnel no matter what formation you line up in.

Now our Swiss army knive player is juice....he can act as a back and a move TE so in theory we could bounce between 21 and 12 personnel.

You could go 10 personnel (1HB, 0TE, 4WR) and Line up in a wishbone but it's still 10 personnel.

Totally agree, but McKinnon definitely will stress out defenses that operate the 4-3 under by giving the QB more options in the passing game. The problem defenses have with McKinnon is he can be WR and RB at the same time, so does the defense play base or nickel? The 49ers can go from the 4 wide formation to the diamond formation to an unbalanced line and that would play heck with the defensive calls. Specially with Juszcyzk being a tweener FB/TE, the options just multiply specially with a QB that knows what he's doing on 3rd down!

I really agree here. Teams that have been operating this defense have one area that can get picked on with the right personnel - the SAM backer in coverage. NE did it to SEA in the SB. That SAM backer is gonna be a guy in the 255-265 range and more of a 3-4 OLB type. He's usually responsible for the flat coverage on his side as 4-3 "under" usually runs a "buzz" flat coverage. It makes it easier on the SAM backer as he just has to cover laterally out to the flat. However, if the TE is hooked over the middle and the WR on that side is clearing out, you isolate a RB on that SAM backer where he has about 15 yards of area to cover that RB in. A guy like McKinnon could flourish in that area.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by Niners816:

Originally posted by Giedi:

I like the fact that Kyle can go from 21 personnel to 11 personnel just by changing the formation. Do defenses play base or nickel or dime?

Man o Man 2018 is going to be *fun* to watch offensively.

Not to get nitpicky, but formation doesn't dictate personnel grouping. Personnel always dictates it. If there is 2 backs and 1 TE on the field it will always be 21 personnel no matter what formation you line up in.

Now our Swiss army knive player is juice....he can act as a back and a move TE so in theory we could bounce between 21 and 12 personnel.

You could go 10 personnel (1HB, 0TE, 4WR) and Line up in a wishbone but it's still 10 personnel.

Totally agree, but McKinnon definitely will stress out defenses that operate the 4-3 under by giving the QB more options in the passing game. The problem defenses have with McKinnon is he can be WR and RB at the same time, so does the defense play base or nickel? The 49ers can go from the 4 wide formation to the diamond formation to an unbalanced line and that would play heck with the defensive calls. Specially with Juszcyzk being a tweener FB/TE, the options just multiply specially with a QB that knows what he's doing on 3rd down!

I think it would matter who comprises the two backs in 21 personnel. If it's McKinnon and Juice, I'd imagine defenses would play base. If it's brieda and McKinnon they might go Nickel to matchup.

Originally posted by GorefullBore:

Originally posted by StubbyNBY:

We're all in on Georgia Southern RB's lol!

Yeah, anymore on the market lol.

Bring in JJ Wilcox to play safety.


Georgia Southern's recruiting approach is to snare top notch athletes and teach them to football.

Originally posted by northvan49erman:

Haven't said this once, bud.

And the ol' "you think you're smarter than the coach argument." is just about the weakest argument anyone can come up with in sports.

I guess Bill Barnwell doesn't know anything about football then.

"You think you're smarter than Hue Jackson?"... Well...

Three tenets of success in the modern NFL:

1) Don't overpay your QB (SB finalists average around 11% of cap hit)
2) Don't overpay at RB
3) Get pass rushers.

49ers haven't done any of these things.

Sure I hope it works out, we all do. But this is the second offseason in a row with some questionable overpayments for marginal players.

Have people forgotten the team started 0-10 last year? One good trade doesn't excuse a number of poor decisions.

First off, hello fellow Vancouver 9er fan! Nice to know there's more of us around here.

Second, I think you're right on target with most of your assessment. I disagree about the QB thing... being lucky enough to have a top QB who is willing to take less is great, and gives those team a huge advantage (big enough to keep them in SB contention). But if you don't have that you gotta pay for someone good. I'd rather be over paying for a good QB than be getting a great deal on a just okay QB.

But you are spot on about RBs and pass rushers. I get it that pass rushers are hard to come by. That's why I'm hoping for one in the draft. But RBs need to be truly special to be worth big money.

So far RB is the only position they've made moves at I disagree with. I hope I'm proven wrong about that...