Jerick 'Jet' McKinnon is a Chief.

Originally posted by northvan49erman:
I don't know where to start with this.

1) overspending in free agency doesn't equal success.

2) Another tired argument "it's not your money, so why do you care." Bringing out the big guns, hey?

3) The fact that others are overspending is not an argument for overspending. It's simply a fact that organizations make mistakes in free agency.

4) Overspending on guys is how you create bloated contracts, but your arguing that because we haven't done it in a while and have drafted poorly, we should do it?

Moving on bud.

Overspending by what $2 million LOL...start complaining when they throw Sammy Watkins $14 million a yr. That's the s**t that gets you in cap problems.

It's ridiculous you have the same people complaining about a $7 million dollar deal (which we don't even know the real numbers) yet people are kissing the Jags ass because of all the great FA signings they've made.

They have how much money invested into the RB position?? Before this deal they had $1.2 million invested in 3 RBs. That is next to nothing when you're working with a $178 million dollars. NOW they have around $8.7 million invest in 4 RBs....I'm sure that will cripple us lol.

"but your arguing that because we haven't done it in a while and have drafted poorly, we should do it"

No, I'm saying we haven't draft well in years which is one of the main reasons we have so much money to spend (we had no players to give extensions to).

I understand you're complaint about not wanting to get in cap hell...but giving a RB a $7 million per yr is NOT gonna do that man...just not. Go look at our cap space now and into the next couple yrs.

poor argument

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by Niners816:

Originally posted by Giedi:
I like the fact that Kyle can go from 21 personnel to 11 personnel just by changing the formation. Do defenses play base or nickel or dime?

Man o Man 2018 is going to be *fun* to watch offensively.

Not to get nitpicky, but formation doesn't dictate personnel grouping. Personnel always dictates it. If there is 2 backs and 1 TE on the field it will always be 21 personnel no matter what formation you line up in.

Now our Swiss army knive player is juice....he can act as a back and a move TE so in theory we could bounce between 21 and 12 personnel.

You could go 10 personnel (1HB, 0TE, 4WR) and Line up in a wishbone but it's still 10 personnel.

Totally agree, but McKinnon definitely will stress out defenses that operate the 4-3 under by giving the QB more options in the passing game. The problem defenses have with McKinnon is he can be WR and RB at the same time, so does the defense play base or nickel? The 49ers can go from the 4 wide formation to the diamond formation to an unbalanced line and that would play heck with the defensive calls. Specially with Juszcyzk being a tweener FB/TE, the options just multiply specially with a QB that knows what he's doing on 3rd down!

I really agree here. Teams that have been operating this defense have one area that can get picked on with the right personnel - the SAM backer in coverage. NE did it to SEA in the SB. That SAM backer is gonna be a guy in the 255-265 range and more of a 3-4 OLB type. He's usually responsible for the flat coverage on his side as 4-3 "under" usually runs a "buzz" flat coverage. It makes it easier on the SAM backer as he just has to cover laterally out to the flat. However, if the TE is hooked over the middle and the WR on that side is clearing out, you isolate a RB on that SAM backer where he has about 15 yards of area to cover that RB in. A guy like McKinnon could flourish in that area.

Your idea was even better than mine. No way can you cover McKinnon with an LB out on a pass route. Add in play action - and it really makes it difficult to pick him up with the correct defensive matchup. With Juszcyzk drawing attention, you are right, that will be open 9 times out of 10.

Originally posted by a49erfan77:

This is the kind of stuff Shanahan can run with Jerick McKinnon that freaks defenses out.

Sail concept with the RB running the key route from the backfield. Stresses the hell out of Seattle's cover 3. #49ers pic.twitter.com/JC5g18Ha0a

— Oscar Aparicio (@BetterRivals) March 14, 2018

Originally posted by a49erfan77:

Y'all took the GIF wayyy outta context 🤣🤷🏾‍♂️

— Joseph Williams (@JWills_28) March 14, 2018

Pretty sure we didn't.

Originally posted by Niners816:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by Niners816:

Originally posted by Giedi:
I like the fact that Kyle can go from 21 personnel to 11 personnel just by changing the formation. Do defenses play base or nickel or dime?

Man o Man 2018 is going to be *fun* to watch offensively.

Not to get nitpicky, but formation doesn't dictate personnel grouping. Personnel always dictates it. If there is 2 backs and 1 TE on the field it will always be 21 personnel no matter what formation you line up in.

Now our Swiss army knive player is juice....he can act as a back and a move TE so in theory we could bounce between 21 and 12 personnel.

You could go 10 personnel (1HB, 0TE, 4WR) and Line up in a wishbone but it's still 10 personnel.

Totally agree, but McKinnon definitely will stress out defenses that operate the 4-3 under by giving the QB more options in the passing game. The problem defenses have with McKinnon is he can be WR and RB at the same time, so does the defense play base or nickel? The 49ers can go from the 4 wide formation to the diamond formation to an unbalanced line and that would play heck with the defensive calls. Specially with Juszcyzk being a tweener FB/TE, the options just multiply specially with a QB that knows what he's doing on 3rd down!

I think it would matter who comprises the two backs in 21 personnel. If it's McKinnon and Juice, I'd imagine defenses would play base. If it's brieda and McKinnon they might go Nickel to matchup.

Yes, I definitely agree. But Juice is a hybrid TE/FB and McKinnon is a hybrid RB/WR - and so you'd have to play a hybrid defense that I don't think exists in the NFL yet. If defense goes nickel, why not play I formation? If defense aligns in base, why not go 4 wide? (or something like that) You JD, Thl, and the other football nerds will probably figure it out, because I don't think I have the brain cells to even come close to solving that offensive problem.

Originally posted by eman:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by eman:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by SteveYoung:

Originally posted by northvan49erman:
I know everyone is excited about the direction of this franchise. But people need to take a step back.

This is an awful contract for a player that should be making a third of what he signed for.

Add Earl Mitchell, Malcolm Smith, and Kyle Juszyzk to the mix and you've got a track record of overpaying for mediocre players/unimportant positions.

And I love everything Garoppolo, but time and again we're seeing franchises succeed when QBs are on their rookie contracts and they can use that cap space to build the rest of the team. 49ers could have gone that route, but opted to pay big at the QB position. Eagles and Rams are prime examples.

Pump the brakes.

Lol.

Lol he brings up earl Mitchell's contract what? His cap hit is like $3.8 million wow just awful.

What a joke...people actually think players don't get overpaid a little in FA? Less then 24 hrs ago everyone was whining about not signing anyone NOW everyone is whining that we did...I see why we get called the whiners

If people can't open their eyes and see what Mckinnon will actually be in this offense (not just a RB) then I don't know what to tell ya.

I don't give to flying f**k if he gets yards on the ground or in the air but he's gonna happen in this system.

I hate how some people just nitpick little things ... he mentioned Mitchell and other people ... why just focus on Mitchell?? Yeah that's 3-4 million u can save by drafting 6th/7th rounded to fill that hole and Roll over the $ instead of spending on redundant position !

Juice got paid what?? 5mil per year ? Because he was offensive weapon?? Lol.. he got 300 yards receiving !

I thought Shanahans specialty is finding rbs in draft... So many good rb's coming out this year .. sorry I just don't see reason to spend 30mil on someone that was 3rd on his teams depth chart!

Look at belichick how he builds his team, I don't see many overpaid players!

You should look at Juszcyzk's stats over the last 5 games before you poo poo his production.

Geidi... I'm not poo pooing his production ..I like juice and obviously he is probowler ... obviously you can not just extrapolate from 5 games only too because it will skew his production. It's just that when you get paid nearly double next ranked FB in the league, that's setting us up for failure. You can't be paying 5mil to fb and 7mil to 3rd down fb and expect to build annual contender.
I like McKinnon, but Dion Lewis who was ranked BETTER in pass protection and receiving than mckinnon got 10 mil less than McKinnon. That is what rubs me the wrong way

The last five games is the *only relevant* data set to consider. Or are you saying CJ or Hoyer is going to be the starter next year?

Originally posted by Lobo49er:

Originally posted by a49erfan77:

Y'all took the GIF wayyy outta context 🤣🤷🏾‍♂️

— Joseph Williams (@JWills_28) March 14, 2018

Pretty sure we didn't.

lol

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by Niners816:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by Niners816:

Originally posted by Giedi:

I like the fact that Kyle can go from 21 personnel to 11 personnel just by changing the formation. Do defenses play base or nickel or dime?

Man o Man 2018 is going to be *fun* to watch offensively.

Not to get nitpicky, but formation doesn't dictate personnel grouping. Personnel always dictates it. If there is 2 backs and 1 TE on the field it will always be 21 personnel no matter what formation you line up in.

Now our Swiss army knive player is juice....he can act as a back and a move TE so in theory we could bounce between 21 and 12 personnel.

You could go 10 personnel (1HB, 0TE, 4WR) and Line up in a wishbone but it's still 10 personnel.

Totally agree, but McKinnon definitely will stress out defenses that operate the 4-3 under by giving the QB more options in the passing game. The problem defenses have with McKinnon is he can be WR and RB at the same time, so does the defense play base or nickel? The 49ers can go from the 4 wide formation to the diamond formation to an unbalanced line and that would play heck with the defensive calls. Specially with Juszcyzk being a tweener FB/TE, the options just multiply specially with a QB that knows what he's doing on 3rd down!

I think it would matter who comprises the two backs in 21 personnel. If it's McKinnon and Juice, I'd imagine defenses would play base. If it's brieda and McKinnon they might go Nickel to matchup.

Yes, I definitely agree. But Juice is a hybrid TE/FB and McKinnon is a hybrid RB/WR - and so you'd have to play a hybrid defense that I don't think exists in the NFL yet. If defense goes nickel, why not play I formation? If defense aligns in base, why not go 4 wide? (or something like that) You JD, Thl, and the other football nerds will probably figure it out, because I don't think I have the brain cells to even come close to solving that offensive problem.

This is what I want to see. You can have 21 personnel in the huddle and run a traditional outside zone run, followed by and empty back passing set....without changing personnel. Defenses are going to have a fit trying to figure out what package to put on the field.

Originally posted by RabidNiner:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by Niners816:

Originally posted by Giedi:
I like the fact that Kyle can go from 21 personnel to 11 personnel just by changing the formation. Do defenses play base or nickel or dime?

Man o Man 2018 is going to be *fun* to watch offensively.

Not to get nitpicky, but formation doesn't dictate personnel grouping. Personnel always dictates it. If there is 2 backs and 1 TE on the field it will always be 21 personnel no matter what formation you line up in.

Now our Swiss army knive player is juice....he can act as a back and a move TE so in theory we could bounce between 21 and 12 personnel.

You could go 10 personnel (1HB, 0TE, 4WR) and Line up in a wishbone but it's still 10 personnel.

Totally agree, but McKinnon definitely will stress out defenses that operate the 4-3 under by giving the QB more options in the passing game. The problem defenses have with McKinnon is he can be WR and RB at the same time, so does the defense play base or nickel? The 49ers can go from the 4 wide formation to the diamond formation to an unbalanced line and that would play heck with the defensive calls. Specially with Juszcyzk being a tweener FB/TE, the options just multiply specially with a QB that knows what he's doing on 3rd down!

I really agree here. Teams that have been operating this defense have one area that can get picked on with the right personnel - the SAM backer in coverage. NE did it to SEA in the SB. That SAM backer is gonna be a guy in the 255-265 range and more of a 3-4 OLB type. He's usually responsible for the flat coverage on his side as 4-3 "under" usually runs a "buzz" flat coverage. It makes it easier on the SAM backer as he just has to cover laterally out to the flat. However, if the TE is hooked over the middle and the WR on that side is clearing out, you isolate a RB on that SAM backer where he has about 15 yards of area to cover that RB in. A guy like McKinnon could flourish in that area.

bump because I spent too much time typing this to get buried.....lol

Excited about it! Well worth the price tag, IMO

Great piece by JD!

Originally posted by NYniner85:

#49ers were in a "bidding war" with #Jets for RB Jerick McKinnon, who got 4-year, $30 million deal, per @AdamSchefter

— Cam Inman (@CamInman) March 14, 2018

KS really wanted him...

Originally posted by NYniner85:

#49ers were in a "bidding war" with #Jets for RB Jerick McKinnon, who got 4-year, $30 million deal, per @AdamSchefter

— Cam Inman (@CamInman) March 14, 2018

Then the Jets decide to settle with Crowell

Originally posted by NYniner85:

#49ers were in a "bidding war" with #Jets for RB Jerick McKinnon, who got 4-year, $30 million deal, per @AdamSchefter

— Cam Inman (@CamInman) March 14, 2018

There you have it. We had $60M in cap, they believed they NEEDED McK to fill a need and rather pay him $7.5 per year as opposed to Hyde's number which may or not have been higher than $5M per year he signed for in the end with CLE or Dion's $5.75M per year because Dion has missed 26 games in 5 years.

Originally posted by FL9er:

Originally posted by susweel:
Decent little 3rd down back not really much of an upgrade over hyde. Still gonna need to draft another RB.

Always good to hear sus's take.

I've never seen Sus so overjoyed before!