Mike McGlinchey-OT-Denver Broncos

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Imagine if Kyle had the same standards for the OL that he does for the DL.

You mean 1st rounder MM standards ?

Yes. Imagine Kyle calling out Mike McGlinchey and the OL like he did with Bosa and the DL. It'll never happen. 2 different standards.

Oh thought you we're going towards where they were drafted

but how do you know they weren't called out, have they played better in previous years?

Kyle only talks about the OL if it catches his eye in a negative way. It's an assumption on my part but given the hyper focus on resources and pissing his #1 DL off to play at an even higher level, he doesn't give me the same impression the standards are quite the same with the OL. Haha.

I agree with this but it cam be argued OL.are less replaceable. Yes there are a couple of teams with good O-lines, but in general, teams do not have 5 quality guys across the board.

Even McGlinchey can go to a lot of teams and immediately be their best tackle. Its rough out here.

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by LasVegasWally:

Originally posted by Alfienator:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Lots of penalties with this guy. He has to cut down the penalties.

Yeah, this guy is eventually going to cost games.

This

We really need to find his replacement this off season.

This comment and others like it led me to do some research on what Right Tackles around the league are getting paid. To make things easy, I went straight off PFF rankings for RTs and used overthecap.com for their current yearly salary. McGlinchey is currently ranked #11, in the last year of his rookie contract in which his 5th-year option was taken @$10.8M.

So here are the RTs ranked higher than McGlinchey that are not on rookie contracts and what they are currently earning.

Ryan Ramszyk - $19.2M/yr
Brian O'Neill - $18.5M/yr
Lane Johnson - $18M/yr
Braden Smith - $17.5M/yr

The following are lower than him but within 5-10 spots:
Taylor Moton - $17M/yr
Rod Havenstein - $11.5M/yr
Jack Conklin - $8M/yr

So, given those numbers, you can figure replacing McGlinchey will not be cheap if we go FA. Resigning him will depend on how much he wants. Based on the market, he might agree to something in the $10-12M range, perhaps less if he wants to stay with the team. However, he will get some good offers, especially if the team goes deep in the playoffs.

These notables are 20+ spots lower:
Trent Brown - $6.5M/yr
C Okorofor - $8M/yr
La'el Collins - $7M/yr

There are also 4 guys ranked higher than him that are all on rookie contracts: Sewell (1st round pick), Wirfs (1st rd), McGary (1st rd), and Cosmi (2nd rd). Without a pick in the first 3 rounds, the chances of getting a guy like any of those guys go out the window. In fact, there are only three current starting RTs that were chosen lower than round 3.

The other option is to turn in house. McKivitz had a very short run this year (57 snaps) in which he did fairly well. He will be ERFA in 2023. Jaylen Moore is a possibility but in 167 snaps, he got exposed. Spencer Burford or Daniel Brunskill could be moved back outside but then we need a guard.

So the choice seems to be: bite the bullet and pay McGlinchey or take a chance on one of the four I just listed and hope for the best.

Corrections are appreciated...and expected.

This has been addressed. McGlinchey while having some serious struggles is one of the better right tackles and will make a ton in free agency. I just posted on how I Jack Conklin got a 4 year/60 million extension. I don't think we have the space to bite the bullet and extend McGlinchey.

Drafting or using a player on the roster is as much about attempting to upgrade as it is about saving money. You can only have so many guys making 10 million +. I'm hoping between Jaylon Moore, Colton McKivitz, Spencer Burford, Daniel Brunskill, and a rookie that we can get a long term RT.

I appreciate the response.

My post was to focus on what the actual cost might be and where he stands in relation to other RTs. As you said, he is one of the better RTs in the league and will be seen as such come FA. The penalties are especially frustrating because during the usual run of play, he is very good. His run blocking in particular, though unnoticed in most cases, is exceptional. His PP has been improving as his knee/thigh got healthier, however, when he has gotten beat, usually by a top-tier edge, he has been prone to hold. Though in some of those cases it has been necessary to save the QB, it gets called and made very public. That along with the false start penalties are frustrating. All of that is just stating the obvious.

In the end, I agree with you; the FO will want to keep him but his asking price will likely force us to go with McKivitz. I don't want to force Burford to change positions or put Brunskill, our best utility OL, into a full-time job although tackle is his best position.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Imagine if Kyle had the same standards for the OL that he does for the DL.

You mean 1st rounder MM standards ?

Yes. Imagine Kyle calling out Mike McGlinchey and the OL like he did with Bosa and the DL. It'll never happen. 2 different standards.

Oh thought you we're going towards where they were drafted

but how do you know they weren't called out, have they played better in previous years?

Kyle only talks about the OL if it catches his eye in a negative way. It's an assumption on my part but given the hyper focus on resources and pissing his #1 DL off to play at an even higher level, he doesn't give me the same impression the standards are quite the same with the OL. Haha.

What's the haha.. you can't even type that with a straight face Lol

plus, You wouldn't have known about Kyle and the DL if Bosa didn't leak out that info.

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Imagine if Kyle had the same standards for the OL that he does for the DL.

You mean 1st rounder MM standards ?

Yes. Imagine Kyle calling out Mike McGlinchey and the OL like he did with Bosa and the DL. It'll never happen. 2 different standards.

Oh thought you we're going towards where they were drafted

but how do you know they weren't called out, have they played better in previous years?

Kyle only talks about the OL if it catches his eye in a negative way. It's an assumption on my part but given the hyper focus on resources and pissing his #1 DL off to play at an even higher level, he doesn't give me the same impression the standards are quite the same with the OL. Haha.

I agree with this but it cam be argued OL.are less replaceable. Yes there are a couple of teams with good O-lines, but in general, teams do not have 5 quality guys across the board.

Even McGlinchey can go to a lot of teams and immediately be their best tackle. Its rough out here.

Teams could build quality O lines before free agency and the cap. It wasn't uncommon for guys to play together for 4or 5 year. Sometimes even more. Colleges played a more similar style to the NFL then (not all the wide open spread offenses with mobile QBs) so linemen were more prepared to block in the NFL. Now some college O linemen don't know how to block for a pocket passer. It's a learning process and some can't do it very well.

Glinch is the best right tackle in football. Period.

Originally posted by billbird2111:
Glinch is the best right tackle in football. Period.

At giving up pressure maybe.

Originally posted by billbird2111:
Glinch is the best right tackle in football. Period.

Originally posted by billbird2111:
Glinch is the best right tackle in football. Period.

In what, Madden?

Originally posted by Sickaa:

Originally posted by billbird2111:
Glinch is the best right tackle in football. Period.

At giving up pressure maybe.

Look at the replay of Ray-Ray's TD run against Washington. Not many linemen could make that block. It's not just a matter of blocking. It's reaching the level he was required to reach, without a running start, to apply the kind of block he applied.

Not many tackles can make that play. They don't have that kind of speed. Glinch does. It is that play, and others like it, that make Glinch the best right tackle in the NFL.

Originally posted by billbird2111:
Glinch is the best right tackle in football. Period.

Originally posted by billbird2111:

Originally posted by Sickaa:

Originally posted by billbird2111:
Glinch is the best right tackle in football. Period.

At giving up pressure maybe.

Look at the replay of Ray-Ray's TD run against Washington. Not many linemen could make that block. It's not just a matter of blocking. It's reaching the level he was required to reach, without a running start, to apply the kind of block he applied.

Not many tackles can make that play. They don't have that kind of speed. Glinch does. It is that play, and others like it, that make Glinch the best right tackle in the NFL.

I agree he is a very good run blocker. However, he is not the best in the game. He currently ranks #8 among all RTs in RBLK. That certainly makes him worth keeping if we can afford him.

This dude sucks so bad. He's good in run blocking but his pass protection and his idiot false start and holding abilities make him a negative. You guarantee a holding penalty on him per game at a back breaking time.

Originally posted by ninersrule4:
This dude sucks so bad. He's good in run blocking but his pass protection and his idiot false start and holding abilities make him a negative. You guarantee a holding penalty on him per game at a back breaking time.

He's had 6 holds all season so that math doesn't quite add up.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Imagine if Kyle had the same standards for the OL that he does for the DL.

You mean 1st rounder MM standards ?

Yes. Imagine Kyle calling out Mike McGlinchey and the OL like he did with Bosa and the DL. It'll never happen. 2 different standards.

Oh thought you we're going towards where they were drafted

but how do you know they weren't called out, have they played better in previous years?

Kyle only talks about the OL if it catches his eye in a negative way. It's an assumption on my part but given the hyper focus on resources and pissing his #1 DL off to play at an even higher level, he doesn't give me the same impression the standards are quite the same with the OL. Haha.

What's the haha.. you can't even type that with a straight face Lol

plus, You wouldn't have known about Kyle and the DL if Bosa didn't leak out that info.

I know when the media questions Kyle about MM, he just shrugs it off. When the media asked if they'd sign his 5th year option he just laughed. I know MM's had to tell everyone they don't suck. Not the same standard.

Imagine being the #1 DL on the #1 defense and the DPOY ER and getting called out to play better.

Do you think Kyle has the same standards for both the OL and DL? I'm not saying he doesn't have standards for the OL...just not to the same level as the DL. Not even close.

PS: And I love his standards for the DL!

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Imagine if Kyle had the same standards for the OL that he does for the DL.

You mean 1st rounder MM standards ?

Yes. Imagine Kyle calling out Mike McGlinchey and the OL like he did with Bosa and the DL. It'll never happen. 2 different standards.

Oh thought you we're going towards where they were drafted

but how do you know they weren't called out, have they played better in previous years?

Kyle only talks about the OL if it catches his eye in a negative way. It's an assumption on my part but given the hyper focus on resources and pissing his #1 DL off to play at an even higher level, he doesn't give me the same impression the standards are quite the same with the OL. Haha.

I agree with this but it cam be argued OL.are less replaceable. Yes there are a couple of teams with good O-lines, but in general, teams do not have 5 quality guys across the board.

Even McGlinchey can go to a lot of teams and immediately be their best tackle. Its rough out here.

Teams could build quality O lines before free agency and the cap. It wasn't uncommon for guys to play together for 4or 5 year. Sometimes even more. Colleges played a more similar style to the NFL then (not all the wide open spread offenses with mobile QBs) so linemen were more prepared to block in the NFL. Now some college O linemen don't know how to block for a pocket passer. It's a learning process and some can't do it very well.

Exactly. It's why MM is going to get paid big time on the open market and while although we should replace him, it's going to be very hard to do so. Harsh realities of having so many guys on second contracts with more to come. Unlike the Baalke era, we've drafted well, so we actually will have homegrown guys to extend for years to come.