Mike McGlinchey-OT-Denver Broncos

Originally posted by dj43:
Now that the season is over, I did an overview of the OTs around the league. It is a given that all teams put their best player at LT. That is reflected in the basic PFF ratings of 81 OTs that played a minimum number of snaps. 30 of the top 40 OTs are LTs. Of those 10 RTs listed in the top 40, McGlinchey is #10 although ranked #35 overall. IOW, he is in the top 1/3 of RTs.

His obvious weakness has been in PP. Although he improved as the season progressed, he was still getting beat by the top edge rushers. Some of the problems seemed to come from lack of coordination between him and the RG, usually Burford. Some of it was him not winning. We need better play on that side of the line. The question is all about where are we going to get it. Can we assume MM will continue to improve next year? Resigining him for market value will not be cheap. Average annual salary estimates begin at $10M/yr and go up.

With no picks this year earlier than 3rd round comps, all the best OTs will be gone before we pick. With our penchant for getting QBs hurt, we can't just plug someone in and hope for the best. We need someone at least as good as McGlinchey or better. The FA market is limited. Of the decent RTs that will be on the market come March 15, they are going to be at least as expensive as MM, or higher. That leaves us with in-house solutions or getting lucky on a lower pick. Everytime I look at this, I see McKivitz as the best option but he is very inexperienced. I'm not encouraged.

Personally I've been really impressed with how Foerster has coached and developed that young OLine, so while we only have day three picks in the draft, i think they can still find diamonds in the rough. Poe, Zakelj, and McKivitz should continue to improve (I hope) under Foerster and hopefully be ready to challenge for a starting spot next year.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by dj43:
Now that the season is over, I did an overview of the OTs around the league. It is a given that all teams put their best player at LT. That is reflected in the basic PFF ratings of 81 OTs that played a minimum number of snaps. 30 of the top 40 OTs are LTs. Of those 10 RTs listed in the top 40, McGlinchey is #10 although ranked #35 overall. IOW, he is in the top 1/3 of RTs.

His obvious weakness has been in PP. Although he improved as the season progressed, he was still getting beat by the top edge rushers. Some of the problems seemed to come from lack of coordination between him and the RG, usually Burford. Some of it was him not winning. We need better play on that side of the line. The question is all about where are we going to get it. Can we assume MM will continue to improve next year? Resigining him for market value will not be cheap. Average annual salary estimates begin at $10M/yr and go up.

With no picks this year earlier than 3rd round comps, all the best OTs will be gone before we pick. With our penchant for getting QBs hurt, we can't just plug someone in and hope for the best. We need someone at least as good as McGlinchey or better. The FA market is limited. Of the decent RTs that will be on the market come March 15, they are going to be at least as expensive as MM, or higher. That leaves us with in-house solutions or getting lucky on a lower pick. Everytime I look at this, I see McKivitz as the best option but he is very inexperienced. I'm not encouraged.

Personally I've been really impressed with how Foerster has coached and developed that young OLine, so while we only have day three picks in the draft, i think they can still find diamonds in the rough. Poe, Zakelj, and McKivitz should continue to improve (I hope) under Foerster and hopefully be ready to challenge for a starting spot next year.

I agree with the importance of position coaches. We saw that this year with the improvement of QB play under Griese. I also hope that we would see improvement in OL play from those very untested guys you noted.

In only 32 pass snaps this past season, much in garbage time, McKivitz did have good PP numbers. He is my hope for RT as I see no other option there. (I consider MM gone in FA. I believe he is looking for a new start somewhere else.)

Zakelj clearly needs more technique and strength work. He got used in the small number of snaps he got this season at guard.

Poe is just another TC crush until proven otherwise.

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

Originally posted by elguapo:

Originally posted by fropwns:

Originally posted by elguapo:
His exit interview was a little disturbing. He kept saying how he's a great player and he knows it. Does he watch his own film? I know he played a lot better during the last eight games of the season however, he reverted back to his old ways in pass protection in the playoffs. Great player my left nut

Well that left nut is about to make a whole lot of money. You might talk to the right one and say you should play like the left one and get paid too.

For sure he is going to get paid probably close to 15 million per year from a desperate team like Chicago or possibly even Miami but that doesn't mean he is a good tackle. He's poor in pass pro and good in run blocking.

Cost us a lot of yards/points but at least he had a good stretch of play to end the regular season. Not the case for the playoffs

I still want Brunskill at right tackle or put Burford out there with his long arms and he played that RT position in college (along with guard and LT)

Tom Compton was good at the run and poor in pass pro. McGlinchey is average in pass protection- probably ranked in the 30s as a tackle. You aren't getting 15 million as a poor pass protector.

Wait and see. You should know free agency always over pays players regardless of how you are ranked

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

Originally posted by elguapo:

Originally posted by fropwns:

Originally posted by elguapo:
His exit interview was a little disturbing. He kept saying how he's a great player and he knows it. Does he watch his own film? I know he played a lot better during the last eight games of the season however, he reverted back to his old ways in pass protection in the playoffs. Great player my left nut

Well that left nut is about to make a whole lot of money. You might talk to the right one and say you should play like the left one and get paid too.

For sure he is going to get paid probably close to 15 million per year from a desperate team like Chicago or possibly even Miami but that doesn't mean he is a good tackle. He's poor in pass pro and good in run blocking.

Cost us a lot of yards/points but at least he had a good stretch of play to end the regular season. Not the case for the playoffs

I still want Brunskill at right tackle or put Burford out there with his long arms and he played that RT position in college (along with guard and LT)

Tom Compton was good at the run and poor in pass pro. McGlinchey is average in pass protection- probably ranked in the 30s as a tackle. You aren't getting 15 million as a poor pass protector.

LT's are almost always a teams best pass protector. So I would imagine that a majority of LT's would rank in the top 32 of all tackles in the NFL. So MM being a RT and ranking 36th overall isn't as bad as some might think it is and probably makes him one of the better RT's in the NFL.

Originally posted by elguapo:

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

Originally posted by elguapo:

Originally posted by fropwns:

Originally posted by elguapo:
His exit interview was a little disturbing. He kept saying how he's a great player and he knows it. Does he watch his own film? I know he played a lot better during the last eight games of the season however, he reverted back to his old ways in pass protection in the playoffs. Great player my left nut

Well that left nut is about to make a whole lot of money. You might talk to the right one and say you should play like the left one and get paid too.

For sure he is going to get paid probably close to 15 million per year from a desperate team like Chicago or possibly even Miami but that doesn't mean he is a good tackle. He's poor in pass pro and good in run blocking.

Cost us a lot of yards/points but at least he had a good stretch of play to end the regular season. Not the case for the playoffs

I still want Brunskill at right tackle or put Burford out there with his long arms and he played that RT position in college (along with guard and LT)

Tom Compton was good at the run and poor in pass pro. McGlinchey is average in pass protection- probably ranked in the 30s as a tackle. You aren't getting 15 million as a poor pass protector.

Wait and see. You should know free agency always over pays players regardless of how you are ranked

My point is that McGlinchey isn't Tom Compton. He isn't a poor pass protector. He us average among tackles and one of the better right tackles and will be paid as such.

Whoever pays him is gonna be bummed out a year into contract

Originally posted by JMC52:
Whoever pays him is gonna be bummed out a year into contract

Probably. Look at SEA they had two rook tackles starting in the playoffs. One of them was a third rounder. Don't hand out the fat 2nd contract unless you have a stud on your hands is my view.

Originally posted by JMC52:
Whoever pays him is gonna be bummed out a year into contract

Depends. If you have a starting RT the caliber of Erik Pears or Kwame Harris, you are gonna be thrilled with McGlinchey.

Mckivitz can do what MMG does for 1/15th of the price.

Originally posted by JTB1974:
Mckivitz can do what MMG does for 1/15th of the price.

LOL.. can't disagree there.. Kivitz may just be even tougher.

Originally posted by JTB1974:
Mckivitz can do what MMG does for 1/15th of the price.

Agreed. I also believe we can find a rookie who wouldn't be much of a drop off if at all in pp.

Originally posted by JTB1974:
Mckivitz can do what MMG does for 1/15th of the price.

It looks like we are going to find out if the first part of your sentence is correct - will he be as good as McGlinchey? Only time will tell.

As to the last half of your sentence, I understand you are using hyperbole. However, just for perspective, McKivitz is RFA this year, hence he is out of contract and will have to reach an agreement on a new one. Based on the average of 2nd contracts for starting RTs around the league, he is likely to get paid about $3.5-4M/yr with some incentives on a three year deal. So, if he does turn out to be as good as MM, he will be a bargain. If he doesn't...

McGlinchey biggest problem has not been his overall play. His problem has been a few VERY visible failures that wind up going viral. So while that doesn't excuse the mistakes, it does require one to look beyond just those plays to see his value. We will soon see how GMs around the league view him. The consensus is he is going to get paid.

He's going to get like 13 million a year, just give us that 3rd rd comp and let him go, so with his and jimmys como we will have 6 3rd rd picks if we don't sign some1 to cancel them out. That's crazy

Originally posted by jersey49er:
He's going to get like 13 million a year, just give us that 3rd rd comp and let him go, so with his and jimmys como we will have 6 3rd rd picks if we don't sign some1 to cancel them out. That's crazy

Those picks won't come in until next season. So, yeah, I'm expecting us to have 3 comps from either the Ryans hire or Carthan hire, Jimmy G's contract, and Mike McGlinchey's contract. We should likely net a day 3 pick between Al-Shaair, Jimmie Ward, and Samsun Ebukam. I expect us to bring in one or two low cost FAs that will cancel out one of those signings.

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by JTB1974:
Mckivitz can do what MMG does for 1/15th of the price.

It looks like we are going to find out if the first part of your sentence is correct - will he be as good as McGlinchey? Only time will tell.

As to the last half of your sentence, I understand you are using hyperbole. However, just for perspective, McKivitz is RFA this year, hence he is out of contract and will have to reach an agreement on a new one. Based on the average of 2nd contracts for starting RTs around the league, he is likely to get paid about $3.5-4M/yr with some incentives on a three year deal. So, if he does turn out to be as good as MM, he will be a bargain. If he doesn't...

McGlinchey biggest problem has not been his overall play. His problem has been a few VERY visible failures that wind up going viral. So while that doesn't excuse the mistakes, it does require one to look beyond just those plays to see his value. We will soon see how GMs around the league view him. The consensus is he is going to get paid.

McGlinchey's biggest problem is he is going to get a QB killed when he is actually paid to do the opposite. The fact that he is often the victim in other players highlights is a byproduct of his biggest problem.