WR Dante "Do something...anything" Pettis

He reminds me a lot of John Taylor. Same body style, catching, and speed. John Taylor was 6'1" 186lbs and was an great 49er.

Originally posted by Rascal:

Originally posted by evil:

Pretty sure Kyle knows a thing or two about the types of wide receivers he wants and needs for his offense.

And you have no proof Lynch panicked and that they could have got him at 59. It is just a wild guess on your part. Unless you can show us 31 other teams draft boards, that comment is not factual in the least.

As for the experts, who cares what they think. Those same experts are wrong all the time. Their opinions do not play games or win games on Sundays.

Pretty sure Jerry Rice knows way more about WRs than Kyle Shanahan. I am definitely taking a HOF WR's POV over a 1 1/2 year head coach. Other positions might be different, but when it comes to WRs, hell no, I am sticking by the GOAT!!

Is obvious Lynch panicked, but if you want to get anal about it having to see every teams' big boards then I guess I don't have solid proof. But, you and I know what the majority of people think.

Last but not least, of course experts matter. You are no expert, your opinion is just an opinion, is neither worse or better than my opinion. Experts' opinions might not win games per se, but you have no "proof" nor the expertise to say Pettis' lowly draft grade of "B-" wasn't warranted or to say that he will definitely win games for the 9ers.

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Originally posted by Rascal:

Originally posted by evil:

Pretty sure Kyle knows a thing or two about the types of wide receivers he wants and needs for his offense.

And you have no proof Lynch panicked and that they could have got him at 59. It is just a wild guess on your part. Unless you can show us 31 other teams draft boards, that comment is not factual in the least.

As for the experts, who cares what they think. Those same experts are wrong all the time. Their opinions do not play games or win games on Sundays.

Pretty sure Jerry Rice knows way more about WRs than Kyle Shanahan. I am definitely taking a HOF WR's POV over a 1 1/2 year head coach. Other positions might be different, but when it comes to WRs, hell no, I am sticking by the GOAT!!

Is obvious Lynch panicked, but if you want to get anal about it having to see every teams' big boards then I guess I don't have solid proof. But, you and I know what the majority of people think.

Last but not least, of course experts matter. You are no expert, your opinion is just an opinion, is neither worse or better than my opinion. Experts' opinions might not win games per se, but you have no "proof" nor the expertise to say Pettis' lowly draft grade of "B-" wasn't warranted or to say that he will definitely win games for the 9ers.

Why would Rice know more about WR's? He was the greatest talent ever, but that doesn't mean he can identify it better. Like saying Montana would be better evaluating QB's. Or Lott on safeties. How is Michael Jordan doing picking basketball players? How on Earth would Rice know which WR's best fit Shanahan's WCO?

Originally posted by Rascal:

Originally posted by TheRickestRick:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Concerns:

• Remember Kyle Williams and Quinton Patton outside? Beat. To. Hell.
• Press is going to be a big struggle at the NFL level
• Rashard Robinson-like frame; expect hamstring and various nagging injuries. Needs a year in the weight room.
• Watching his tape, he played some horrendous DB's (wow, just wow)
• Going to have to learn 3 positions within a complicated WCO route tree
• We barely used Bolden Jr. last year so will we get the return in returns?

Overall: He's Kyle guy and I have little doubt he'll fit in nicely in the offense and he'll know how best to use him and will adjust. Solid pick. Poor value considering the trade up.

Just a little devils advocate...(knowing you wanted to be balanced with your post )
- Kyle W and Patton werent Shanahan guys. Cant really compare them to a hand picked guy. The receivers he has targeted so far have already contributed more than either of the two from the previous regime.
- It was supposed to be a big struggle for Goodwin too.... who is even smaller.
- Over generalization, for every Robinson there is a Harrison or Moss. (Not comparing Pettis to them career wise, just skinny wise) There is more of a correlation to speed and hamstring pulls vs frame and hamstrings, but I dont think anyone is gonna shy away from speed due to the increased risk.
- Cant really hold who they played against him... the pac 12 is still the pac 12, wasnt like he was going against FCS schools.
- Kind of an exaggeration based on the assumption the coaches wont identify where they want him, have him learn that first and then start integrating more and more... unlikely.
- Bolden? its a 46 man roster. Gotta have versatility to make it, especially as a rookie.

And to those comparing him to Paul Richardson.... No, just no. I saw every CU home game Richardson played in person and loved him in college. But even with my alumni bias I stated in his pre-draft thread that he was always gonna be an injury prone 2 route receiver and to this date hasnt showed much different. The comparison stop at height and weight, play styles arent remotely close. Richardson was never gonna be confused for a slot receiver.

Nope. The receivers that Shanahan has targeted in terms of numbers have been massively jacked up by Jimmy G in the last 5 games which you have conveniently omitted.

Do you honestly think Goodwin would have had a chance of touching 1,000 yards if Hoyer had remained as the QB? Heck no! LOL.

That is why Jimmy G is our franchise QB, he makes everyone looks like borderline pro bowlers. LOL.

How do you think Julio Jones or even Jerry Rice would have faired with Hoyer as their QB

Better yet, let's compare respectable WRs who are good but not the pedigree of a HOF...WRs who play with the likes of Brady, Rodgers, Brees, Wentz... would the WRs on those teams (Patriots, Packers, Saints, Wentz) be any good or have the stats they have while playing with a QB like Hoyer?

I watched him the highlights video. Wow. He is a great talent his speed and pretty good the best route running and plus good jump vertical?!

Originally posted by ronniefreakinlott42:

Originally posted by Rascal:

Originally posted by evil:
Pretty sure Kyle knows a thing or two about the types of wide receivers he wants and needs for his offense.

And you have no proof Lynch panicked and that they could have got him at 59. It is just a wild guess on your part. Unless you can show us 31 other teams draft boards, that comment is not factual in the least.

As for the experts, who cares what they think. Those same experts are wrong all the time. Their opinions do not play games or win games on Sundays.

Pretty sure Jerry Rice knows way more about WRs than Kyle Shanahan. I am definitely taking a HOF WR's POV over a 1 1/2 year head coach. Other positions might be different, but when it comes to WRs, hell no, I am sticking by the GOAT!!

Is obvious Lynch panicked, but if you want to get anal about it having to see every teams' big boards then I guess I don't have solid proof. But, you and I know what the majority of people think.

Last but not least, of course experts matter. You are no expert, your opinion is just an opinion, is neither worse or better than my opinion. Experts' opinions might not win games per se, but you have no "proof" nor the expertise to say Pettis' lowly draft grade of "B-" wasn't warranted or to say that he will definitely win games for the 9ers.

Why would Rice know more about WR's? He was the greatest talent ever, but that doesn't mean he can identify it better. Like saying Montana would be better evaluating QB's. Or Lott on safeties. How is Michael Jordan doing picking basketball players? How on Earth would Rice know which WR's best fit Shanahan's WCO?

Of course Jerry Rice knows how to identify WRs. He has competed with countless WRs throughout his entire life before getting to where he got to. You don't think he can distinguish between a great WR and a crap WR? LOL.

I can't speak for Michael Jordan, but I am confident Jerry knows what he is taking about. And over Shanahan? Oh definitely. Shanahan is only a 1 1/2 year head coach, he is a baby in the grand scheme of things in the world of coaching. I mean unless you are talking about Bill Walsh, then it might be different. Plus, how does Jerry know which WR fits best to Shanahan's WCO? Hello, Jerry played in WCO throughout his entire career!! LOL.

Originally posted by Rascal:
Of course Jerry Rice knows how to identify WRs. He has competed with countless WRs throughout his entire life before getting to where he got to. You don't think he can distinguish between a great WR and a crap WR? LOL.

I can't speak for Michael Jordan, but I am confident Jerry knows what he is taking about. And over Shanahan? Oh definitely. Shanahan is only a 1 1/2 year head coach, he is a baby in the grand scheme of things in the world of coaching. I mean unless you are talking about Bill Walsh, then it might be different. Plus, how does Jerry know which WR fits best to Shanahan's WCO? Hello, Jerry played in WCO throughout his entire career!! LOL.

You think anyone knows what will work in Shanahan's offense more than Shanahan? Come on man, you are rapidly losing credibility. Also, lol @ the MJ comment above.

Originally posted by BuZzB05:
I watched him the highlights video. Wow. He is a great talent his speed and pretty good the best route running and plus good jump vertical?!

He;s going to end up being a fan favorite, watch.

This guy is so smooth....pumped

Having Pettis and McKinnon on the field at the same time, in a Shanahan offense, is going to be a matchup nightmare for many opponents.

Only way Pettis doesn't get on the field -- and maybe as a starter -- is if none of the starters get injured. What are the chances of that?

Fast, fluid, and great ball skills. I really like his ability to torque his body to snatch the ball over defenders. I think this kid is special.

Originally posted by 49erThrowback:
Having Pettis and McKinnon on the field at the same time, in a Shanahan offense, is going to be a matchup nightmare for many opponents.

Only way Pettis doesn't get on the field -- and maybe as a starter -- is if none of the starters get injured. What are the chances of that?

He's going to take Taylors job year one...who knows what happens after that.

Originally posted by Rascal:

Of course Jerry Rice knows how to identify WRs. He has competed with countless WRs throughout his entire life before getting to where he got to. You don't think he can distinguish between a great WR and a crap WR? LOL.

I can't speak for Michael Jordan, but I am confident Jerry knows what he is taking about. And over Shanahan? Oh definitely. Shanahan is only a 1 1/2 year head coach, he is a baby in the grand scheme of things in the world of coaching. I mean unless you are talking about Bill Walsh, then it might be different. Plus, how does Jerry know which WR fits best to Shanahan's WCO? Hello, Jerry played in WCO throughout his entire career!! LOL.

It's interesting to compare former player talent evaluation with coaches. My take with former players is that they are limited to recognizing the straits in other players similar to themselves. So when Rice talked about Sutton being the guy he would pick, he obviously sees something similar in Sutton. It could be the size, the height, the run after catch, the route running, etc. A similar style of play that he recognized of himself, that would make Sutton successful in the NFL. But if you ask him about another guy with different skill set, he most likely couldn't tell you for sure.

With a OC or HC, it's more all encompassing. He has the experiences of having all kinds of players tryout and then playing in his offense. He has to deal with different skill sets to offset the different types of defenses. So while it's great to have a Jerry Rice or a Julio Jones, Kyle can have a hand full of receivers that can get open, catch the ball, move the chains.

Last year Lynch was talking about needing to get a big body to body positioned, shield, fight for the catch in the end zone, but that was with Hoyer throwing the ball.

With Jimmy being so quick with accuracy and timing of his throws, I don't think his receivers need to fight much for the ball. I think Lynch and Kyle had changed their thinking in the way of giving Jimmy certain types of receivers to enhance Jimmy's skill sets.

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by 49erThrowback:

Having Pettis and McKinnon on the field at the same time, in a Shanahan offense, is going to be a matchup nightmare for many opponents.

Only way Pettis doesn't get on the field -- and maybe as a starter -- is if none of the starters get injured. What are the chances of that?

He's going to take Taylors job year one...who knows what happens after that.

I see him more battling Garçon or marquis. Taylor pretty much locked up the slot

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by 49erThrowback:
Having Pettis and McKinnon on the field at the same time, in a Shanahan offense, is going to be a matchup nightmare for many opponents.

Only way Pettis doesn't get on the field -- and maybe as a starter -- is if none of the starters get injured. What are the chances of that?

He's going to take Taylors job year one...who knows what happens after that.

I see him more battling Garçon or marquis. Taylor pretty much locked up the slot

Just handed Marquise a contract extension after nearly hitting 1,000 yards, Garcon is making $9 million and was a top 5 WR in this league before his injury playing with Hoyer and CJ. I'm pretty confident that it's Taylor who's going to lose his role as a starter.