WR Dante "Do something...anything" Pettis

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by IdahoNiner:
The bigger picture people miss, is that EVERY board has hits and misses.

Well of course but are your odds better or worse when you have access to player medicals, player interviews, player workout sessions, Wonderlic scores, personality tests....etc?

Obviously better. But Murphy is always there lurking.

I remember people calling me crazy when i said a certain QB was easily worth a #1 and the second best QB besides Carr.

The area where clubs have a real advantage is in the amount of film they have quick and easy access to, the interviews, and the medical records, etc, like you mentioned.

The fact is, the draft is always a craps shoot for anyone involved. Everyone just does the best they can, with the information they have.

Originally posted by jcs:
Just handed Marquise a contract extension after nearly hitting 1,000 yards, Garcon is making $9 million and was a top 5 WR in this league before his injury playing with Hoyer and CJ. I'm pretty confident that it's Taylor who's going to lose his role as a starter.

Agreed. I get the impression, that is the long term plan. But for now, he'll learn all three WR positions and move all around as a chess piece.

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by IdahoNiner:
The bigger picture people miss, is that EVERY board has hits and misses.

Well of course but are your odds better or worse when you have access to player medicals, player interviews, player workout sessions, Wonderlic scores, personality tests....etc?

So THIS!!!!

And scouts assessments with coaches' comments along with hearing the conversations/comparisons in the war room with Adam, John, Kyle and Saleh.

And yet every year teams make horrible, horrible draft picks. That's the point.

Yes, access to more info helps. But even then, its a craps shoot.

Originally posted by IdahoNiner:

Obviously better. But Murphy is always there lurking.

I remember people calling me crazy when i said a certain QB was easily worth a #1 and the second best QB besides Carr.

The area where clubs have a real advantage is in the amount of film they have quick and easy access to, the interviews, and the medical records, etc, like you mentioned.

The fact is, the draft is always a craps shoot for anyone involved. Everyone just does the best they can, with the information they have.

What Phoenix is right about is to say so and so would've been available later means you are confident no one had him that high. He has shown that is demonstratively false.

Originally posted by JustinNiner:

seems like the only knock on this guy was his build. With NFL weight room training, that can change over an offseason.

I cant wait to get this guy on the field. Will be our true returner since ted ginn and will be even better~

Can lineup outside and in the slot. Runs fantastic routes.

Whats not to love?

He was expected to go 20 picks later therefore he sucks and is awful value. According to some...

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by IdahoNiner:
Obviously better. But Murphy is always there lurking.

I remember people calling me crazy when i said a certain QB was easily worth a #1 and the second best QB besides Carr.

The area where clubs have a real advantage is in the amount of film they have quick and easy access to, the interviews, and the medical records, etc, like you mentioned.

The fact is, the draft is always a craps shoot for anyone involved. Everyone just does the best they can, with the information they have.

What Phoenix is right about is to say so and so would've been available later means you are confident no one had him that high. He has shown that is demonstratively false.

That kinda goes both ways. What team was it that supposedly was going to draft AJ Jenkins right after us again? People often use examples such as this to justify players that in reality are bad picks.

Again, im not arguing Pettis is a bad pick. I like the kid. Im just playing devils advocate here. These examples Phoenix is giving can be argued from both sides, and in reality, it really doesn't matter, as every year, teams hit on gems that no one had on their radar, and they miss on them as well. Even with access to all of the info they have. And yes, the same is true for the monday morning draft gurus as well. Thats the point.

Everyone is entitled to their opinions, and time reveals all with these draft picks.

Originally posted by IdahoNiner:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by IdahoNiner:

Obviously better. But Murphy is always there lurking.

I remember people calling me crazy when i said a certain QB was easily worth a #1 and the second best QB besides Carr.

The area where clubs have a real advantage is in the amount of film they have quick and easy access to, the interviews, and the medical records, etc, like you mentioned.

The fact is, the draft is always a craps shoot for anyone involved. Everyone just does the best they can, with the information they have.

What Phoenix is right about is to say so and so would've been available later means you are confident no one had him that high. He has shown that is demonstratively false.

That kinda goes both ways. What team was it that supposedly was going to draft AJ Jenkins right after us again? People often use examples such as this to justify players that in reality are bad picks.

Again, im not arguing Pettis is a bad pick. I like the kid. Im just playing devils advocate here. These examples Phoenix is giving can be argued from both sides, and in reality, it really doesn't matter, as every year, teams hit on gems that no one had on their radar, and they miss on them as well. Even with access to all of the info they have. And yes, the same is true for the monday morning draft gurus as well. Thats the point.

Everyone is entitled to their opinions, and time reveals all with these draft picks.

That would be the Rams.

Originally posted by Kalen49ers:

Originally posted by JustinNiner:

seems like the only knock on this guy was his build. With NFL weight room training, that can change over an offseason.

I cant wait to get this guy on the field. Will be our true returner since ted ginn and will be even better~

Can lineup outside and in the slot. Runs fantastic routes.

Whats not to love?

He was expected to go 20 picks later therefore he sucks and is awful value. According to some...

He was projected to be drafted 3rd to 4th round, that's potentially 80+ picks later. It's god awful value, even IF some other team had reached for him the 49ers definitely could've filled 2 holes at 59 and 74. Instead they reached for Kyles obvious draft crush, and then tried to pretend like the team still doesn't have significant needs.

Originally posted by GMniner805:

He was projected to be drafted 3rd to 4th round, .

Projected by who? Are we still pretending that internet draft boards are relevant to NFL team draft boards?

This guy will start the season on the PUP list with an ankle injury, book it.

Anybody know what this guys 40 time is??

Originally posted by GMniner805:

This guy will start the season on the PUP list with an ankle injury, book it.

Anybody know what this guys 40 time is??

4.47 or 4.48 I believe at his pro day

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Originally posted by IdahoNiner:

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by IdahoNiner:
The bigger picture people miss, is that EVERY board has hits and misses.

Well of course but are your odds better or worse when you have access to player medicals, player interviews, player workout sessions, Wonderlic scores, personality tests....etc?

So THIS!!!!

And scouts assessments with coaches' comments along with hearing the conversations/comparisons in the war room with Adam, John, Kyle and Saleh.

And yet every year teams make horrible, horrible draft picks. That's the point.

Yes, access to more info helps. But even then, its a craps shoot.

Exactly.

In fact, most of these players won't make it in the NFL even after being drafted.

Therefore terms like "value" and "great pick" or "poor pick" on draft day doesn't really make sense to me at this stage. I think all we can do is root for our team and enjoy the draft show. Committing to a draft board beyond hoping a pick you like gets drafted seems a bit of an over-reaction.

i think the only thing that fans could have a gripe with, is the positions they addressed or didnt. Its hard to argue against talent evaluation, but if fans strongly thought we needed an edge, and then we dont draft, or bring an UDFA in, i can understand where they would be frustrated.

Again, just devils advocate. I like the players we got day 1 and 2, and day three, i always reserve judgement, because im honest enough to admit i dont know enough about over 50% of the prospects to even give an educated comment.

It seems like they are going with the approach of throwing a whole bunch of ?? at it, and see who sticks. Which im good with since we brought in the vet in sherman.

I will say, i do not think Marsh is the answer at all, and i do like godblessyou quite a bit. But that presser today was awkward.

Originally posted by IdahoNiner:

That kinda goes both ways. What team was it that supposedly was going to draft AJ Jenkins right after us again? People often use examples such as this to justify players that in reality are bad picks.

Again, im not arguing Pettis is a bad pick. I like the kid. Im just playing devils advocate here. These examples Phoenix is giving can be argued from both sides, and in reality, it really doesn't matter, as every year, teams hit on gems that no one had on their radar, and they miss on them as well. Even with access to all of the info they have. And yes, the same is true for the monday morning draft gurus as well. Thats the point.

Everyone is entitled to their opinions, and time reveals all with these draft picks.

If another team values your guy enough to take him right after you would and you take him there he is by definition not a reach. Jenkins not planning out makes him a bad pick but not a reach. That's the overreaching point.

We don't have consensus boards of 32 nfl teams so all you can say is the media boards don't like so and so.

Originally posted by IdahoNiner:

i think the only thing that fans could have a gripe with, is the positions they addressed or didnt. Its hard to argue against talent evaluation, but if fans strongly thought we needed an edge, and then we dont draft, or bring an UDFA in, i can understand where they would be frustrated.

Again, just devils advocate. I like the players we got day 1 and 2, and day three, i always reserve judgement, because im honest enough to admit i dont know enough about over 50% of the prospects to even give an educated comment.

It seems like they are going with the approach of throwing a whole bunch of ?? at it, and see who sticks. Which im good with since we brought in the vet in sherman.

I will say, i do not think Marsh is the answer at all, and i do like godblessyou quite a bit. But that presser today was awkward.

I would agree. They seem to like those guys though so we will see if they are right. Jeremiah Attaochu is now the most important player on this team.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by IdahoNiner:
That kinda goes both ways. What team was it that supposedly was going to draft AJ Jenkins right after us again? People often use examples such as this to justify players that in reality are bad picks.

Again, im not arguing Pettis is a bad pick. I like the kid. Im just playing devils advocate here. These examples Phoenix is giving can be argued from both sides, and in reality, it really doesn't matter, as every year, teams hit on gems that no one had on their radar, and they miss on them as well. Even with access to all of the info they have. And yes, the same is true for the monday morning draft gurus as well. Thats the point.

Everyone is entitled to their opinions, and time reveals all with these draft picks.

If another team values your guy enough to take him right after you would and you take him there he is by definition not a reach. Jenkins not planning out makes him a bad pick but not a reach. That's the overreaching point.

We don't have consensus boards of 32 nfl teams so all you can say is the media boards don't like so and so.

Lets take this to the extreme and see how much you believe what your stating...

If 2 teams out of 32 are willing to draft a guy in the top 10, and everyone else has them off their board entirely, would it by "definition" not be a reach?