Originally posted by Memphis9er:
Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:
Originally posted by Memphis9er:
Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:
Excellent point!! So lets go hard after Amari Cooper when the season ends and draft a WR in the 2020 draft. This is still a playoff team without consistent play at the WR spot. Lets admit what we have in Pettis - potential with flashes and nothing more. Potential with flashes get coaches fired. As I stated when we drafted him, I saw him as no better than a slot WR. Pettis WILL NEVER be a consistent outside WR. He's too soft and obviously not into getting into the gym. He has to be schemed open. And, post-draft we've learned that he lacks focus.
I admit, I NEVER wanted us to draft Pettis, I admit a particular bias. But didn't want us to draft for many of the reasons that we are seeing now. I had a 4th round draft grade on him, and to this point we've gotten nothing but 4th round production - we moved up in the 2nd to get him
. As we speak the team is openly on the market for a WR. How can this not be anything other than an indictment against Pettis given the expectations?
I'd love nothing more than to have to eat BBQ crow on this. Above all I wanna see the 49ers do well. But I don't see it ever coming from Pettis, not more than what we've seen. I just don't.
Oh, so YOU had him graded as a 4th round pick. That clinches it...
And your point?
Are you a professional scout? If not, why should we care where you had him graded? It just seems pompous to say that like you are a better scout than the guys who know what they want in a player, who have a team of professionals doing their research. I mean Kyle is known for his expertise in football, specifically the offensive side. Unless theres something we don't know about you, you're hardly qualified as an expert.
Actually, I do scout, both for collage and high school, and have been scouting (and coaching football) for the better part of 15, 16 years. And I have been consulted on the pro level on many occasions that included travel and hours of film study. But . . .
It just seems pompous to say that like you are a better scout than the guys who know what they want in a player, who have a team of professionals doing their research.
. . . I challenge you to tell us where I made any statement that would remotely come close to that.
I am no better than anyone else here who do mock drafts. And doing my study of Pettis I -
me - had a 4th round grade on him, precisely due to the output we are seeing from him now, and then some. Much of my critique of Pettis coming out of Washington is actually playing itself out. But I fail to see how me saying that is equivalent to saying that I'm better than the 49ers scouts. That seems like a really large leap on your part. If that is the case then the 49ersWebZone site should ban all mock drafts.
Kyle is a genius offensive mind who I trust implicitly. He WILL bring this team it's 6th and 7th SB, at least. But that don't mean he's perfect, that he can't get it wrong at times. Did Bill Walsh hit on every pick? Shanny and Lynch WILL miss on some, and I think this is one. It's called being human. Do I understand
why Shanny coveted Pettis and moved up to draft him? Absolutely I do. Talent-wise, on paper, he fits exactly what Shanny want's to achieve on offense.
However, Pettis isn't a top
NFL prospect than cannot be counted on so that the team can realized those talents. Due to his physique and lack of physicality he will need assistance from the coaches with scheme to get open consistently. He is not - nor has he ever been - a WR who could get himself open. Even with the NFL rules the NFL game is far more physical than the collage game. Defenses are being physical with him, he's not getting open when Jimmy G. needs him to be open (forcing him to force balls to Kittle), which has caused him to have more trust in Deebo (who himself is going through his rookie pains).
Putting it bluntly, he's much too soft to be anything other than a slot WR in the NFL. And at the time we drafted Pettis I stated we had enough speedy slot WR on our roster. What's worse, we've learned post-draft that he hasn't put in the requisite work
and focus needed to succeed at the position, hence the need to spend draft capital to bring in a vet at his position.
Finally, I find it hard to believe that the concerns I had of Pettis coming out of Washington weren't concerns of at least one or two scouts on the 49ers staff, and that those concerns didn't reach Shanny. After all, did we not hear reports of former scouts stating that their assessments of players went often ignored? Now, this is a normal occurrence with NFL coaches and scouts, especially when there a new coaching staff with holdover scouts. And in no way do I mean this as an indictment against Shanny and Lynch. My point here is that my assessment of Pettis coming out of Washington wasn't just me. Many scouts who get paid big bucks felt the same as I did/do. Do your research, I WAS NOT the only person who saw Pattis as I did.
[ Edited by 9ersLiferInChicago on Oct 24, 2019 at 12:47 PM ]
In any event, I don't think there's much that will "wake his ass up" but getting cut. Besides, you are presuming he's sleep. I don't think he's sleep. He's being him. He needs to get stronger, get tougher, and focus solely on football, in particular the WR position. Talent will only take you but so far.