WR Dante "Do something...anything" Pettis

Originally posted by qnnhan7:

Originally posted by Kyzen:

all this trade talk is a waste of time, pettis isnt being traded. goodwin maybe but not pettis.

Kyle likes speed. He's not going to give up Goodwin

i agree, for the record i dont want to see either traded.

Pettis has the skillset to be the best WR on the team. I just don't understand what the problem is with him.

Originally posted by Leathaface:
Pettis has the skillset to be the best WR on the team. I just don't understand what the problem is with him.

Not aggressive at catch point

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by dlance:

Originally posted by NCommand:
I keep hearing this narrative but if he's losing his game day snaps to him, how can he truly improve?

One way that could work is if Sanders bolts after the season and Pettis ate up everything and came back a new man with a different mindset. But do you not think he's already getting that veteran guidance from Wes Welker and Kyle himself? Why would he need Sanders to suddenly get it? Because nobody else is here to push him for his snaps???

I don't get why trading for Sander is going to change Pettis work ethic. If it's does at all will It last ??

...kind of backwards logic to me as well.

It's different coming from a guy on the field with Pettis. I see it with myself explaining it to students verses other students telling a kid the exact same thing I just explained.

Pettis has already been in the offense much longer than Sanders. I can see the added motivation with a guy who quite literally might take his job but was the sense of urgency there when Deebo was suddenly taking snaps at the X? I could see some veteran trade secrets but this isn't Joe Staley having Justin Skule over for dinner to coach him up and take him under his wing for a few games and still have 100% job security. Sanders wants to be the man. He was brought here to be the man. And he wants to be the man for a few more years. I get what you're saying though...if Pettis is here long term beyond Sanders, it could certainly help that transition.

I don't even look at it as a threatening thing. More so, just how to be an NFL receiver. How to protect your QB on the bad passes, how to consistently use his skillset to beat guys (Pettis has the skillset to chew up most starting CBs), perhaps a critique of what he is and isn't doing to help along his game, etc. Sanders is going to come in and be the man. I see Deebo doing the same thing. If Sanders turns out to be more of a Jerry Rice type of leader, then Pettis is going to learn by example. If Sanders actually brings Pettis along, then all the more better. If we end up in a position where Pettis is like our 3rd or 4th best receiver AND he actually looks more like rookie year Pettis, still, all the more better.

Dante Pettis reminds me so much of TJ Houmandzadeh first 3 years. They are just about the same type of receiver. Not overly fast but very shifty and they kinda glide out on the field. TJ pretty much didn't do anything his first 3 season then blossomed into an incredible WR. Pettis needs to play bigger and stronger. He's got the tools, but he's super I consistent

Sanders has been grinding with Garoppolo since he got here.

El Gato's at home watching Phineas and Ferb cartoons.

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by dlance:

Originally posted by NCommand:

I keep hearing this narrative but if he's losing his game day snaps to him, how can he truly improve?

One way that could work is if Sanders bolts after the season and Pettis ate up everything and came back a new man with a different mindset. But do you not think he's already getting that veteran guidance from Wes Welker and Kyle himself? Why would he need Sanders to suddenly get it? Because nobody else is here to push him for his snaps???

I don't get why trading for Sander is going to change Pettis work ethic. If it's does at all will It last ??

...kind of backwards logic to me as well.

It's different coming from a guy on the field with Pettis. I see it with myself explaining it to students verses other students telling a kid the exact same thing I just explained.

Pettis has already been in the offense much longer than Sanders. I can see the added motivation with a guy who quite literally might take his job but was the sense of urgency there when Deebo was suddenly taking snaps at the X? I could see some veteran trade secrets but this isn't Joe Staley having Justin Skule over for dinner to coach him up and take him under his wing for a few games and still have 100% job security. Sanders wants to be the man. He was brought here to be the man. And he wants to be the man for a few more years. I get what you're saying though...if Pettis is here long term beyond Sanders, it could certainly help that transition.

I don't even look at it as a threatening thing. More so, just how to be an NFL receiver. How to protect your QB on the bad passes, how to consistently use his skillset to beat guys (Pettis has the skillset to chew up most starting CBs), perhaps a critique of what he is and isn't doing to help along his game, etc. Sanders is going to come in and be the man. I see Deebo doing the same thing. If Sanders turns out to be more of a Jerry Rice type of leader, then Pettis is going to learn by example. If Sanders actually brings Pettis along, then all the more better. If we end up in a position where Pettis is like our 3rd or 4th best receiver AND he actually looks more like rookie year Pettis, still, all the more better.

I getcha!

I think the big step up we need from Pettis will have to come next year.

He can still contribute this year, but I think Shanny wants him to come into next season with a more formidable physique. A quality weight/supplement offseason program. That's the only thing that will maintain the hope we all have for him.

If not, I can see him gone very early.

Not sure why I posted this, I just keep saying the same thing.

Originally posted by NCommand:
Pettis has already been in the offense much longer than Sanders. I can see the added motivation with a guy who quite literally might take his job but was the sense of urgency there when Deebo was suddenly taking snaps at the X? I could see some veteran trade secrets but this isn't Joe Staley having Justin Skule over for dinner to coach him up and take him under his wing for a few games and still have 100% job security. Sanders wants to be the man. He was brought here to be the man. And he wants to be the man for a few more years. I get what you're saying though...if Pettis is here long term beyond Sanders, it could certainly help that transition.

Good post.

Bringing Sanders here will do more than just increase the immediate in-game production. Your Staley comparison is right on - a veteran showing a youngster how to do it. We didn't have that after Garcon left and it has been apparent with the young WRs. I don't know Sanders' mentality but I do not believe Lynch would have brought a selfish, self-centered player into this young locker room that was not willing to set a standard for what it takes to be a pro. (Main reason AB didn't come here.)

We may not see it this week as Sanders is focused on learning the playbook, however, as the weeks pass, I'm sure we will see improvement in everybody, including Pettis. Coaches can coach but sometimes it takes another player to demonstrate it in order for someone else to really get it.

Sanders =

Originally posted by TyCore:

I think the big step up we need from Pettis will have to come next year.

He can still contribute this year, but I think Shanny wants him to come into next season with a more formidable physique. A quality weight/supplement offseason program. That's the only thing that will maintain the hope we all have for him.

If not, I can see him gone very early.

Not sure why I posted this, I just keep saying the same thing.

I agree. If Sanders resigns and Pettis doesn't come into the offseason with an edge, Kyle may Show case him in a pre season game and ship him out. I really like Pettis and his ability to shake defenders out of their cleats but he needs to play like he owns that footbball. Its not like its just one play. He dropped a td in LA, he tipped a pass that got picked off by Pitt and a few other plays where he never even tried to attack the ball.

The hidden value of the Sanders trade will be as a mentor to the young receivers, particularly Pettis.

The Niners have one #2 receiver (Sanders) and a glut of #3 receivers (Pettis, Deebo, Taylor, James, Goodwin, Hurd). Pettis has had the most snaps to break out but all of the younger receivers are slowed in development due to the number of guys at the same level. Deebo, Taylor, James and Hurd will not be able to develop when the guy at the top is struggling. ShanaLynch have decided, in trading for Sanders, that the team's success this season must put off patience. Personally, I don't see any of these guys improving this year or next to surpass Sanders.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by evil:

You keep harping on his snap count.

168 pass plays. 31st in attempts.
234 run plays. 1st in attempts.

So how many of his 231 snaps were runs VS pass plays? Have you looked at these plays on the all 22 or is that stat being thrown around in a vacuum with no context?

You're kidding, right? He's been the feature receiver since week 3. The bottom line is Garoppolo can't count on him and Kyle brought in someone HE feels he CAN count on. If Kyle doesn't think El Gato has what it takes to become what he's clearly capable of, that doesn't take 3 years to figure out when both Kyle and Welker have spent every waking hour in trying to develop him as quickly as possible for that very role. The bottom line is he's not producing commensurate his role, hence why Sanders was brought in. If you need the splits to figure that out, I don't know what else to tell you.

In the end, if he's still here on Tuesday, I do hope having a professional veteran will help his game and I hope he fights hard for playing time and that light bulb comes on because Garoppolo badly needs someone at WR who commands defensive respect like Kittle does. And up until the trade, we clearly didn't have that across the board.

Kyle brought in Sanders not because of just Pettis but because all the receivers are underwhelming.

And what make Pettis the feature receiver, that he is the X? Because that isn't necessarily true, each game is different and how you plan to attack a defense each week is different and adjustments are made with the ebb and flow of the game.

No doubt Dante needs to play better but you are driving a narrative based on total snap counts (can't catch the ball on running downs) and where a guy is being lined up yet are throwing out all context beyond that.

Originally posted by Paul_Hofer:

The Niners have one #2 receiver (Sanders) and a glut of #3 receivers (Pettis, Deebo, Taylor, James, Goodwin, Hurd). Pettis has had the most snaps to break out but all of the younger receivers are slowed in development due to the number of guys at the same level. Deebo, Taylor, James and Hurd will not be able to develop when the guy at the top is struggling. ShanaLynch have decided, in trading for Sanders, that the team's success this season must put off patience. Personally, I don't see any of these guys improving this year or next to surpass Sanders.

Actually FWIW Goodwin has had 6 snaps more than Pettis and Samuel is 20 some snaps behind both.

Originally posted by evil:

Kyle brought in Sanders not because of just Pettis but because all the receivers are underwhelming.

And what make Pettis the feature receiver, that he is the X? Because that isn't necessarily true, each game is different and how you plan to attack a defense each week is different and adjustments are made with the ebb and flow of the game.

No doubt Dante needs to play better but you are driving a narrative based on total snap counts (can't catch the ball on running downs) and where a guy is being lined up yet are throwing out all context beyond that.

I'm driving a "narrative" based on a s**t ton of evidence from off season concerns coming true, dog house, 2 anti-kitty receivers drafted, Kyle praising aggressive receivers, Welker, Kyle comments on his game, snap counts, production, two more draft picks for a veteran to play his spot, etc. At some point point, it goes well beyond "flashes." The guy wants it or he doesn't. He lives it or he doesn't. He has it or he doesn't. Kyle thinks Sanders has it. We'll see more evidence if he believes Pettis has it going forward.

X is often the featured receiver in Kyle's offense. Can you name a time the slot WR or Z was featured?

You're certainly right about the others too. It's not just Pettis. He's just been given the biggest chance of the bunch. Taylor and Goodwin can't stay on the field. Hurd can't get on the field. Deebo has a hx of soft tissue injuries. Pettis always seems to have something too (ankle, knee, pec, etc.). Richie rarely gets run and Bourne plays the Z (few opportunities).