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  • mayo49
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Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:
Originally posted by mayo49:
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Unfortunately, I have sensed a breakout game from el Gato the past 5 weeks...but yet to happen.

Having Sanders will do wonders for him.

you may not be like me, this is the 2nd time i've expected greatness from him... the only other time this season was the steelers game.

He'll bust out - Sanders presence will elevate his game.
Interestingly the trade rumors are gathering steam. He may have run out of time.
Originally posted by English:
Interestingly the trade rumors are gathering steam. He may have run out of time.

Trade rumors regarding us trading Pettis?
  • mayo49
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Originally posted by 49ers808:
Originally posted by English:
Interestingly the trade rumors are gathering steam. He may have run out of time.

Trade rumors regarding us trading Pettis?

Yeah, what are the rumors, English?
Originally posted by mayo49:
Originally posted by 49ers808:
Originally posted by English:
Interestingly the trade rumors are gathering steam. He may have run out of time.

Trade rumors regarding us trading Pettis?

Yeah, what are the rumors, English?

That he's not being actively shopped but could be a piece in a package trade...like him plus a 5th round for a teams 2nd or 3rd...something like that. The original source dropped that nugget and ended with, "...we'll just leave it at that." --- had that feel or sense he knew something was going on or going down before the trade deadline. But who really knows. These situations are so fluid...trade talks change by the minute.
Adam Caplan said he wouldn't be surprised if Pettis was traded. That was in an interview. He didn't have anything concrete.

I don't think they would trade him unless they believe he's not hard-wired mentally for the game or that his mentality is not good for the locker room.

If that were true, would he be playing so much? Not saying that he doesn't need to make mental improvements. I think he is immature in some ways. I'm not sure about the extent that it translates to his game.

Players sometimes have the Sophomore Slump. Interesting that many people want to label him a bust instead of looking at his success last year and saying that he's in a Sophomore Slump. Are they listening to Grant Cohn too much?

I expect that Pettis will improve and we have seen signs of that. I wonder if any of you who have the All-22 can say how often Dante is open and does not get the ball. How much is the "lack of production" simply due to Garoppolo not throwing to him?

Happy game day.
I can't wait until October 31. We should be 7-0, going on 8-0, looking forward to 10 days off, Jimmy G would have had a happy 2 year anniversary, and Pettis will still be on the team.
Originally posted by Lurker:
Adam Caplan said he wouldn't be surprised if Pettis was traded. That was in an interview. He didn't have anything concrete.

I don't think they would trade him unless they believe he's not hard-wired mentally for the game or that his mentality is not good for the locker room.

If that were true, would he be playing so much? Not saying that he doesn't need to make mental improvements. I think he is immature in some ways. I'm not sure about the extent that it translates to his game.

Players sometimes have the Sophomore Slump. Interesting that many people want to label him a bust instead of looking at his success last year and saying that he's in a Sophomore Slump. Are they listening to Grant Cohn too much?

I expect that Pettis will improve and we have seen signs of that. I wonder if any of you who have the All-22 can say how often Dante is open and does not get the ball. How much is the "lack of production" simply due to Garoppolo not throwing to him?

Happy game day.

Yeah, it'll be interesting to see his snap counts with Sanders if he does indeed take over for Pettis at the X. Pettis has been averaging around 55 snaps per game the last 4 weeks so that'll be something to keep an eye on.

If that does indeed happen, the only way I see Pettis getting better with fewer snaps is if he's moved to Z and teams are so focused on our running game, Kittle and Sanders, it leaves him in a number of 1on1's which he can certainly take advantage of. Or if he's moved to the slot and is in on 37% of our offense (ideal IMHO - Deebo to Z).
[ Edited by NCommand on Oct 27, 2019 at 5:53 AM ]
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Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by evil:
Kyle brought in Sanders not because of just Pettis but because all the receivers are underwhelming.

And what make Pettis the feature receiver, that he is the X? Because that isn't necessarily true, each game is different and how you plan to attack a defense each week is different and adjustments are made with the ebb and flow of the game.

No doubt Dante needs to play better but you are driving a narrative based on total snap counts (can't catch the ball on running downs) and where a guy is being lined up yet are throwing out all context beyond that.

I'm driving a "narrative" based on a s**t ton of evidence from off season concerns coming true, dog house, 2 anti-kitty receivers drafted, Kyle praising aggressive receivers, Welker, Kyle comments on his game, snap counts, production, two more draft picks for a veteran to play his spot, etc. At some point point, it goes well beyond "flashes." The guy wants it or he doesn't. He lives it or he doesn't. He has it or he doesn't. Kyle thinks Sanders has it. We'll see more evidence if he believes Pettis has it going forward.

X is often the featured receiver in Kyle's offense. Can you name a time the slot WR or Z was featured?

You're certainly right about the others too. It's not just Pettis. He's just been given the biggest chance of the bunch. Taylor and Goodwin can't stay on the field. Hurd can't get on the field. Deebo has a hx of soft tissue injuries. Pettis always seems to have something too (ankle, knee, pec, etc.). Richie rarely gets run and Bourne plays the Z (few opportunities).

Point still stands regarding his snap count which you have made a point of posting multiple times. You are skewing the numbers to push your narrative and whatever axe you seemingly have had to grind with Pettis for a while. You have made little secret that your not a big fan, which is fine until you skew numbers to push said narrative.

We have 168 pass attempts and considering Dante played but 2 snaps in week one and less than 50% of the offensive snaps in weeks 2 and 3, he has essentially been on the field for no more than 100 passing snaps.

And when you factor in targets for all of our pass catchers, and the way this offense tends to spread the ball around, his numbers don't look nearly as bad.

None of that changes that Kyle wanted him to be a bigger part of the offense though and he failed to play up to coaches expectations, you are right about that. He has disappointed, and is going to need to step up or he will lose snaps to others.
Originally posted by evil:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by evil:
Kyle brought in Sanders not because of just Pettis but because all the receivers are underwhelming.

And what make Pettis the feature receiver, that he is the X? Because that isn't necessarily true, each game is different and how you plan to attack a defense each week is different and adjustments are made with the ebb and flow of the game.

No doubt Dante needs to play better but you are driving a narrative based on total snap counts (can't catch the ball on running downs) and where a guy is being lined up yet are throwing out all context beyond that.

I'm driving a "narrative" based on a s**t ton of evidence from off season concerns coming true, dog house, 2 anti-kitty receivers drafted, Kyle praising aggressive receivers, Welker, Kyle comments on his game, snap counts, production, two more draft picks for a veteran to play his spot, etc. At some point point, it goes well beyond "flashes." The guy wants it or he doesn't. He lives it or he doesn't. He has it or he doesn't. Kyle thinks Sanders has it. We'll see more evidence if he believes Pettis has it going forward.

X is often the featured receiver in Kyle's offense. Can you name a time the slot WR or Z was featured?

You're certainly right about the others too. It's not just Pettis. He's just been given the biggest chance of the bunch. Taylor and Goodwin can't stay on the field. Hurd can't get on the field. Deebo has a hx of soft tissue injuries. Pettis always seems to have something too (ankle, knee, pec, etc.). Richie rarely gets run and Bourne plays the Z (few opportunities).

Point still stands regarding his snap count which you have made a point of posting multiple times. You are skewing the numbers to push your narrative and whatever axe you seemingly have had to grind with Pettis for a while. You have made little secret that your not a big fan, which is fine until you skew numbers to push said narrative.

We have 168 pass attempts and considering Dante played but 2 snaps in week one and less than 50% of the offensive snaps in weeks 2 and 3, he has essentially been on the field for no more than 100 passing snaps.

And when you factor in targets for all of our pass catchers, and the way this offense tends to spread the ball around, his numbers don't look nearly as bad.

None of that changes that Kyle wanted him to be a bigger part of the offense though and he failed to play up to coaches expectations, you are right about that. He has disappointed, and is going to need to step up or he will lose snaps to others.

Your last paragraph is the reason for your first three. IF he was becoming the receiver Kyle wanted, paragraph 1-3 would be moot...like the rest of this topic. He's just not very good or consistent, unfortunately and there's just a swirling wind of questions about him ATM.

Will he become that player? Stay tuned...

Let's hope so. I do see him as a better fit for the slot...like Thomas inside. But at some point, one just realizes it's not going to happen. That comes at various times for various fans. When would be your moment?
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There is absolutely nothing special about this guy. In 2 years, he hasn't shown me anything. We got beat by Denver, like I said at the time, the WR of choice of that draft class was Cortland Sutton who is bigger, stronger and catch the ball way better than Pettis, period!! Currently, he ranks 199th in the league in terms of total receiving yards this year. Even Richie James has more yards than him!! In fact, Pettis is dead last in our WR corps.
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Originally posted by NCommand:
Your last paragraph is the reason for your first three. IF he was becoming the receiver Kyle wanted, paragraph 1-3 would be moot...like the rest of this topic. He's just not very good or consistent, unfortunately and there's just a swirling wind of questions about him ATM.

Will he become that player? Stay tuned...

Let's hope so. I do see him as a better fit for the slot...like Thomas inside. But at some point, one just realizes it's not going to happen. That comes at various times for various fans. When would be your moment?
he is been very underwhelming.. now goodwin is gone again for whatever reason so again... seems like the millionth time we have said this,,,, now pettis has a opportunity. it seems like he is unable or unwilling to seize opportunities that come his way.. maybe that is one reason he was in kyles doghouse.
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Originally posted by Rascal:
There is absolutely nothing special about this guy. In 2 years, he hasn't shown me anything. We got beat by Denver, like I said at the time, the WR of choice of that draft class was Cortland Sutton who is bigger, stronger and catch the ball way better than Pettis, period!! Currently, he ranks 199th in the league in terms of total receiving yards this year. Even Richie James has more yards than him!! In fact, Pettis is dead last in our WR corps.

and yet james does not get the playing time this guy gets. as i said.. no hurd. no taylor. no goodwin.. ok pettis. what are you going to do with this opportunity.. as things go along and he continues to underwhelm. his steelers catch will become as insignificant as jamie winborns one great game. the rats one great game. lawrence philips 90 yard touchdown run, and yes trent taylors 6 games two years ago
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Originally posted by Rascal:
There is absolutely nothing special about this guy. In 2 years, he hasn't shown me anything. We got beat by Denver, like I said at the time, the WR of choice of that draft class was Cortland Sutton who is bigger, stronger and catch the ball way better than Pettis, period!! Currently, he ranks 199th in the league in terms of total receiving yards this year. Even Richie James has more yards than him!! In fact, Pettis is dead last in our WR corps.

Would love to see Pettis step up too, but we have to give him a little more than a year a a half. He did produce 5 scores last season so there's potential to get better. But lets also not forget he has been dealing with injuries too.
I like the TJ Houshmenzadeh reference point. Dude was 6'2, 200. Dante is 6'1, 195.

Danamos el gato mas tiempo por favor.
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