Kentavius Street-DE-NC State

Originally posted by Scoots:
Good risks are still risks. They don't all pay out, but some do, and sometimes they pay out great. If you don't take risks you can't win.

this isn't a good risk. This is a dumbass selection by Baalke....i mean lynch.

Originally posted by pdizo916:

Originally posted by Scoots:
Good risks are still risks. They don't all pay out, but some do, and sometimes they pay out great. If you don't take risks you can't win.

this isn't a good risk. This is a dumbass selection by Baalke....i mean lynch.

And this bit of wisdom is based on what exactly? For instance had you ever even heard of this player before he was drafted? Had you ever seen him play in college or followed the team he played for? Do you know anything about the extent of his injury, or how bad it was, or what the prognosis is for his recovery? Do you have any insight as to where the team might have had him slotted on their draft board before he got hurt? Do you have any insight into how the team envisions using him next year? Have you spent anytime looking at his highlight reel or reading any of the scouting reports on him, or are you just forming your opinion's out of complete ignorance of what you are talking about.

Originally posted by pdizo916:

Originally posted by Scoots:
Good risks are still risks. They don't all pay out, but some do, and sometimes they pay out great. If you don't take risks you can't win.

this isn't a good risk. This is a dumbass selection by Baalke....i mean lynch.

I think this is a luxury pick - someone you take and develop. Bad pick, IMO.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Giedi:
Good point about day 3 picks. I remember Michael Carter, a 5th round pick, and he was in track and field. He was a shot putter. One of the most dominant NT's the 49ers has ever had. I'd have gone with a track and field star that had a football background (similar to the profile of a Michael Carter) as one option instead of an ACL/Achillies pick. Mike Golic was another DT/NT that was a collegate wrestler and played football. If you are talking day three picks, these are guys that I'd have considered before drafting a ACL/Achillies player.

So I guess you wouldn't have taken gore in the 3rd? I think it depends on how many picks you have, who's available, what kind of draft it is, the type of player you're getting etc...not just he's got a torn ACL throw him in the trash.

Streets is without question a player and if he comes back healthy could carve out a nice role imo.

Just looking back on the 2005 draft, there was Marion Barber and Darren Sproles - available at that pick. From an offensive standpoint, I think Kyle is good enough to take a Marion Barber or Darren Sproles and make them producitve in his offense vs taking a risk like Frank Gore. (as wonderful a pick as he was) Defensively, there are a lot of prototypical Big Ends and DT/NT's out there in the later rounds that can fit the bill where Kentavius would be placed if 100% healthy after healing up. I think Saleh will be a good enough coach not to have to take risks like Kentavius. Good coaches like Kyle can take journeymen players (RB's and O LInemen - for example) and make them play above their draft grades. If Saleh can't do the same thing on defense, then we just got to get another D Coordinator in my opinion.

Originally posted by pdizo916:

Originally posted by Scoots:

Good risks are still risks. They don't all pay out, but some do, and sometimes they pay out great. If you don't take risks you can't win.

this isn't a good risk. This is a dumbass selection by Baalke....i mean lynch.

Wow what an amazing response that explained everything on why it's a poor pick

it's a day 3 pick man...this draft overall was piss poor once you got to day 3. At that pt it's all about upside and development. Who they drafting at 128 that we'd expect to be a day 1 starter?

Originally posted by Giedi:

Just looking back on the 2005 draft, there was Marion Barber and Darren Sproles - available at that pick. From an offensive standpoint, I think Kyle is good enough to take a Marion Barber or Darren Sproles and make them producitve in his offense vs taking a risk like Frank Gore. (as wonderful a pick as he was) Defensively, there are a lot of prototypical Big Ends and DT/NT's out there in the later rounds that can fit the bill where Kentavius would be placed if 100% healthy after healing up. I think Saleh will be a good enough coach not to have to take risks like Kentavius. Good coaches like Kyle can take journeymen players (RB's and O LInemen - for example) and make them play above their draft grades. If Saleh can't do the same thing on defense, then we just got to get another D Coordinator in my opinion.

And guess what those "safe" picks would have been the WRONG pick.

Pretty sure Saleh was taking DT off the street last yr, so I have no idea what you're talking about there.

You watch Streets? His athletic ability is off the charts, he's not just some other DT. He would have went higher if not for the ACL. Dude is a 3 down player....he's damn near the same size as aaron Donald and posted better numbers then him.

Last year, Street had nine tackles for loss and 5.5 sacks as he started to emerge as a difference-maker with his refined technique catching up to his uncanny athleticism. This spring Street, at 6'2", 283 pounds, was timed in the 40 at 4.58 and 4.62. And Burnette says those 40 times are electronic times—not hand-timed. Street vertical jumped 40 inches, broad jumped 9'11", cleaned 400 and bench pressed 475 pounds. He is the most flexible guy in the NC State program, and despite his weight, he has the kind of agility where he could stand up and play outside linebacker, says Burnette, himself a former first-team All-ACC linebacker.

Yeah, the ACL thing is really PTSD and rightfully so. He's gone for 2018 and he's a big boy at 280 with a thick lower body. It'll take him probably another full year to get back into football shape but clearly, he and Taylor are contingency plans for an Armstead departure down the road.

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by pdizo916:

Originally posted by Scoots:
Good risks are still risks. They don't all pay out, but some do, and sometimes they pay out great. If you don't take risks you can't win.

this isn't a good risk. This is a dumbass selection by Baalke....i mean lynch.

I think this is a luxury pick - someone you take and develop. Bad pick, IMO.

Its a pick you can afford to take if you are a super bowl team now which we are not. its a pick you do not take in my opinion when you can use that pick to shore up some areas that need addressed this year

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by MK_Ultra:

Originally posted by flynhayn15:
Ok, who would play this year and why? Let's drop the hypotheticals, and tell me who is cracking the lineup and who are they beating out, and are they active on game day, and who isn't just because we drafted them at 128?

Dalton Schultz TE
Josh Sweat DE Edge

This...dozens of different directions we could have gone.

i am stunned by so many people who actually think this is the best pick we could have done at the time.. i do not know the names but come on people. there were still some good fb players around with that pick in the area of linebacker. secondary.tight end running back. wherever that could have helped us.. i swear lynch says this is the best we can do and people just drink it up

Originally posted by cciowa:
i am stunned by so many people who actually think this is the best pick we could have done at the time.. i do not know the names but come on people. there were still some good fb players around with that pick in the area of linebacker. secondary.tight end running back. wherever that could have helped us.. i swear lynch says this is the best we can do and people just drink it up

If Street becomes a good player, will you think it was a good pick?

Originally posted by cciowa:
Its a pick you can afford to take if you are a super bowl team now which we are not. its a pick you do not take in my opinion when you can use that pick to shore up some areas that need addressed this year

The issue was this draft was poop heading into day 3. People think we magically could have drafted some elite edge rusher, shutdown CB, or Red Zone beast at 128 which just isn't true.

I mean what areas you talking about "shoring up" a 3 team TE? a 4th OG? at that point I'm fine with going for someone that could be a game-changer in a yr vs a backup.

Originally posted by cciowa:
i am stunned by so many people who actually think this is the best pick we could have done at the time.. i do not know the names but come on people. there were still some good fb players around with that pick in the area of linebacker. secondary.tight end running back. wherever that could have helped us.. i swear lynch says this is the best we can do and people just drink it up

If you don't know the names of the players we should have drafted then what you complaining about? Name me some players please, name me some crazy good prospects at pick 128 that would have made a difference yr 1?

You're just throwing stuff out there without any context to backup the pick outside of him having a injury. Did you watch film on him? Do you have an idea of where he would play? Did you take in the account of how freakishly athletic he is for his size?

You brought up secondary BUT just drafted one before and after that pick, We drafted a LB at 70 (and brought in one in FA plus got Smith back), SF paid McKinnon a butt-load of cash and they have 3 other RBs that are all very very young.

I swear people don't understand that there's only so many roster spots on a team and don't realize NOT EVERY PLAYER can be a day one contributor...some people just hate on Lynch because it's easier than actually looking into things and understanding why they did what they did.

Originally posted by NCommand:
Yeah, the ACL thing is really PTSD and rightfully so. He's gone for 2018 and he's a big boy at 280 with a thick lower body. It'll take him probably another full year to get back into football shape but clearly, he and Taylor are contingency plans for an Armstead departure down the road.

I can't see why it would take him longer than any another player (to recover)

unless they ask him to ad an extra 20 lbs while he's recovering ugh.

Originally posted by Wodwo:

Originally posted by cciowa:
i am stunned by so many people who actually think this is the best pick we could have done at the time.. i do not know the names but come on people. there were still some good fb players around with that pick in the area of linebacker. secondary.tight end running back. wherever that could have helped us.. i swear lynch says this is the best we can do and people just drink it up

If Street becomes a good player, will you think it was a good pick?

sure. i will admit i am wrong. lets get to that point. and if all of a sudden we end up doing an injury settlement with him. will you come back and say.. hmmm. maybe it was not so hot of a pick after all?

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by cciowa:
Its a pick you can afford to take if you are a super bowl team now which we are not. its a pick you do not take in my opinion when you can use that pick to shore up some areas that need addressed this year

The issue was this draft was poop heading into day 3. People think we magically could have drafted some elite edge rusher, shutdown CB, or Red Zone beast at 128 which just isn't true.

I mean what areas you talking about "shoring up" a 3 team TE? a 4th OG? at that point I'm fine with going for someone that could be a game-changer in a yr vs a backup.

you make it sound like there was just garbage after round three. i am sure some teams found some players on day three. . trent does this stuff. he gets roasted. lynch does this stuff. oh its ok. lol