Kentavius Street-DE-NC State

Originally posted by NYniner85:
If you don't know the names of the players we should have drafted then what you complaining about? Name me some players please, name me some crazy good prospects at pick 128 that would have made a difference yr 1?

You're just throwing stuff out there without any context to backup the pick outside of him having a injury. Did you watch film on him? Do you have an idea of where he would play? Did you take in the account of how freakishly athletic he is for his size?

You brought up secondary BUT just drafted one before and after that pick, We drafted a LB at 70 (and brought in one in FA plus got Smith back), SF paid McKinnon a butt-load of cash and they have 3 other RBs that are all very very young.

I swear people don't understand that there's only so many roster spots on a team and don't realize NOT EVERY PLAYER can be a day one contributor...some people just hate on Lynch because it's easier than actually looking into things and understanding why they did what they did.

i do not think i have to be some expert on college football to have an opinion that it is unwise with a team like ours who is still rebuilding to throw away draft picks like xmas candy.. as far as lynch,. you will never make me understand why he does things like cutting elvis with no replacement in mind. and making injured under achievers like aa and ward two of our most highest priced players on the team,

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Yeah, the ACL thing is really PTSD and rightfully so. He's gone for 2018 and he's a big boy at 280 with a thick lower body. It'll take him probably another full year to get back into football shape but clearly, he and Taylor are contingency plans for an Armstead departure down the road.

I can't see why it would take him longer than any another player (to recover)

unless they ask him to ad an extra 20 lbs while he's recovering ugh.

More because in year 2 he'll be playing himself back into football shape after a year off. And because of the demands of the position in anchoring. Tank went through a similar thing. By the end of the year in 2020 though, we should be seeing close to 100%.

Originally posted by cciowa:

i do not think i have to be some expert on college football to have an opinion that it is unwise with a team like ours who is still rebuilding to throw away draft picks like xmas candy.. as far as lynch,. you will never make me understand why he does things like cutting elvis with no replacement in mind. and making injured under achievers like aa and ward two of our most highest priced players on the team,

There are certainly some questionable moves and head-scratchers and we should question those and pose alternative directions but it's still early and all these moves or non-moves could turn out to be great...poor...somewhere in between.

Stay tuned.

Originally posted by cciowa:
you make it sound like there was just garbage after round three. i am sure some teams found some players on day three. . trent does this stuff. he gets roasted. lynch does this stuff. oh its ok. lol

go look at who was drafted after pick 128 until our next pick....literally the only guy worth anything IMO was Sweat who's got bone on bone issues (almost had his leg amputated in HS). He might not even finish his rookie contract the way people were talking about it.

Trent does this on day two of the draft when you want to see them out there day 1. Philly took sidney jones last yr at 43, how many fans are b***hing over that?? Howie stated Jones is basically a 2018 draft pick and will likely be starting for them this yr. Man that ACL pick really f**ked them this past yr lol.

Stop acting like we missed out on some amazing prospect in the 4th rd of the draft...if you want to talk about a top 100 pick that's a little different. This was a day 3 pick man.

A lot of conversation for a dude who's not going to play until 2019.

He need lost about 15 pounds please..

Originally posted by cciowa:
i do not think i have to be some expert on college football to have an opinion that it is unwise with a team like ours who is still rebuilding to throw away draft picks like xmas candy.. as far as lynch,. you will never make me understand why he does things like cutting elvis with no replacement in mind. and making injured under achievers like aa and ward two of our most highest priced players on the team,

I know Elvis has teams lining up for his services right now...you do know we signed him in June of last yr right?

No you actually don't have to be expert to understand who was available. Everyone can complain about this and that, why not do a little research and less complaining about a draft pick? I'd rather take someone with the upside of Street vs some dude that probably doesn't have a shot to play this yr because they're just not talented enough to begin with.

FYI AA is NOT even close to the highest paid player on the team currently ( making $3 million this yr) it's a 5th yr option which can be removed if they want. It's a business move that makes sense when you have that much money, the cap keeps going up, and every single team in the NFL has a abundance of cash for next yr. I ward move was strange to me BUT we're talking about a draft pick not how this team spends money (which they have worked very well given how much money they have available this yr and next yr)

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Yeah, the ACL thing is really PTSD and rightfully so. He's gone for 2018 and he's a big boy at 280 with a thick lower body. It'll take him probably another full year to get back into football shape but clearly, he and Taylor are contingency plans for an Armstead departure down the road.

I can't see why it would take him longer than any another player (to recover)

unless they ask him to ad an extra 20 lbs while he's recovering ugh.

More because in year 2 he'll be playing himself back into football shape after a year off. And because of the demands of the position in anchoring. Tank went through a similar thing. By the end of the year in 2020 though, we should be seeing close to 100%.

I mean Cedric Ogbuehi had a torn acl (at his bowl game) and played week 13-week 17 of his rookie yr. He's a 310 lb OT

Tank was asked to play a totally different role, had issues after his surgery, was asked to put on like 25 Lbs etc...not every player is identical when it comes to this stuff.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

I mean Cedric Ogbuehi had a torn acl (at his bowl game) and played week 13-week 17 of his rookie yr. He's a 310 lb OT

Tank was asked to play a totally different role, had issues after his surgery, was asked to put on like 25 Lbs etc...not every player is identical when it comes to this stuff.

We'll see. He'll be playing 5T which not only requires a ton of anchoring but a ton on the strong side (sometimes against 2). We'll revisit in a year+. Hope he can be the one ACL that pans out.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
go look at who was drafted after pick 128 until our next pick....literally the only guy worth anything IMO was Sweat who's got bone on bone issues (almost had his leg amputated in HS). He might not even finish his rookie contract the way people were talking about it.

Trent does this on day two of the draft when you want to see them out there day 1. Philly took sidney jones last yr at 43, how many fans are b***hing over that?? Howie stated Jones is basically a 2018 draft pick and will likely be starting for them this yr. Man that ACL pick really f**ked them this past yr lol.

Stop acting like we missed out on some amazing prospect in the 4th rd of the draft...if you want to talk about a top 100 pick that's a little different. This was a day 3 pick man.

you show me exactly where i said we missed on an AMAZING prospect,., all i have said. is i think we could have got someone to help us on some areas we need help in or someone that could have contributed in some way this year.. i never said we missed out on a pro bowler.. its just some people like to put those words in others mouths when they dare disagree with a lynch move

Originally posted by Joecool:
A lot of conversation for a dude who's not going to play until 2019.

simple. when trent did this. we all just said typical trent and sucked it up. now when we see it happening again. some of us question it which prompts the lynch defenders to get all up in arms

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Just looking back on the 2005 draft, there was Marion Barber and Darren Sproles - available at that pick. From an offensive standpoint, I think Kyle is good enough to take a Marion Barber or Darren Sproles and make them producitve in his offense vs taking a risk like Frank Gore. (as wonderful a pick as he was) Defensively, there are a lot of prototypical Big Ends and DT/NT's out there in the later rounds that can fit the bill where Kentavius would be placed if 100% healthy after healing up. I think Saleh will be a good enough coach not to have to take risks like Kentavius. Good coaches like Kyle can take journeymen players (RB's and O LInemen - for example) and make them play above their draft grades. If Saleh can't do the same thing on defense, then we just got to get another D Coordinator in my opinion.

And guess what those "safe" picks would have been the WRONG pick.

Pretty sure Saleh was taking DT off the street last yr, so I have no idea what you're talking about there.

You watch Streets? His athletic ability is off the charts, he's not just some other DT. He would have went higher if not for the ACL. Dude is a 3 down player....he's damn near the same size as aaron Donald and posted better numbers then him.

Last year, Street had nine tackles for loss and 5.5 sacks as he started to emerge as a difference-maker with his refined technique catching up to his uncanny athleticism. This spring Street, at 6'2", 283 pounds, was timed in the 40 at 4.58 and 4.62. And Burnette says those 40 times are electronic times—not hand-timed. Street vertical jumped 40 inches, broad jumped 9'11", cleaned 400 and bench pressed 475 pounds. He is the most flexible guy in the NC State program, and despite his weight, he has the kind of agility where he could stand up and play outside linebacker, says Burnette, himself a former first-team All-ACC linebacker.

I think he was ranked mostly as a 3rd round grade before the ACL, as far as I know. He wasn't Aaron Donald.

Originally posted by cciowa:
you show me exactly where i said we missed on an AMAZING prospect,., all i have said. is i think we could have got someone to help us on some areas we need help in or someone that could have contributed in some way this year.. i never said we missed out on a pro bowler.. its just some people like to put those words in others mouths when they dare disagree with a lynch move

We also could have drafted a guy who is healthy but would not contribute this year. A guy who would not beat out those ahead of them on the depth chart or make the 46 man active roster. And then the same folks complaining about Street right now would be complaining about the 1-2 or maybe 3 guys taken in the final 125+ picks who did contribute in a meaningful way for the teams that took them.

Originally posted by cciowa:

Originally posted by Wodwo:

Originally posted by cciowa:
i am stunned by so many people who actually think this is the best pick we could have done at the time.. i do not know the names but come on people. there were still some good fb players around with that pick in the area of linebacker. secondary.tight end running back. wherever that could have helped us.. i swear lynch says this is the best we can do and people just drink it up

If Street becomes a good player, will you think it was a good pick?

sure. i will admit i am wrong. lets get to that point. and if all of a sudden we end up doing an injury settlement with him. will you come back and say.. hmmm. maybe it was not so hot of a pick after all?

So, if he's a good player, it's a good pick. If he doesn't become a good player, it's not a good pick.

I haven't made a judgement about this pick yet because I can't see the future. I can see the risk involved, but a risky pick is not a bad pick.

Originally posted by NCommand:

We'll see. He'll be playing 5T which not only requires a ton of anchoring but a ton on the strong side (sometimes against 2). We'll revisit in a year+. Hope he can be the one ACL that pans out.

Plenty of anchoring for Ogbuehi at tackle