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Walsh used to do this all the time, and he called them DAMAGED GOODS.. if I remember, more than a few worked for us.. Kevin f*gan, Jesse Sopolu..
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Squats, no matter how heavy, aren't a very good way to measure ACL progress. They begin to put load on the ACL only a few months after surgery. If he was squatting 700 lbs before the injury... getting back to that level within ~9 months or so isn't that big of a hurdle (though, injury or not, it's impressive strength...but he was already bringing that to the table). He would have had the ability to do straight line movements for some time now. So, as long as he was keeping up on his lifting... he could hit his pre-injury PRs in no time.

What will be important for him is the change of direction/shearing forces he puts on the new ACL. I'd be interested to see him running a full speed 3-cone more than anything else.

That said, this is all moot in today's NFL. ACL's are just one-time s**tty injuries that leave players no worse for the wear ~12-14mo. post surgery.

The really cool thing about ACL reconstruction is that they take a tendon from your hamstring...which regenerates back in your hamstring in a couple months. Then the transplanted hamstring tendon acts as a scaffolding for the body to build an entirely new ACL -- while the transplanted hamstring tendon is slowly absorbed away.
[ Edited by okdkid on Mar 25, 2019 at 9:54 AM ]
Originally posted by 9moon:
Walsh used to do this all the time, and he called them DAMAGED GOODS.. if I remember, more than a few worked for us.. Kevin f*gan, Jesse Sopolu..

Ohh, to get another Kevin Goghan, Jesse or f*gan.
Originally posted by AB81Rules:
Originally posted by pdizo916:
Does lynch favor acl guys moreso than baalke?

How so? Lynch drafted 1, and signed 1, Baalke drafted nearly 1 each year, Lattimore, Carradine, Thomas, etc...

Good call AB!
Originally posted by okdkid:
Squats, no matter how heavy, aren't a very good way to measure ACL progress. They begin to put load on the ACL only a few months after surgery. If he was squatting 700 lbs before the injury... getting back to that level within ~9 months or so isn't that big of a hurdle (though, injury or not, it's impressive strength...but he was already bringing that to the table). He would have had the ability to do straight line movements for some time now. So, as long as he was keeping up on his lifting... he could hit his pre-injury PRs in no time.

What will be important for him is the change of direction/shearing forces he puts on the new ACL. I'd be interested to see him running a full speed 3-cone more than anything else.

That said, this is all moot in today's NFL. ACL's are just one-time s**tty injuries that leave players no worse for the wear ~12-14mo. post surgery.

The really cool thing about ACL reconstruction is that they take a tendon from your hamstring...which regenerates back in your hamstring in a couple months. Then the transplanted hamstring tendon acts as a scaffolding for the body to build an entirely new ACL -- while the transplanted hamstring tendon is slowly absorbed away.

Did they confirm they used a hamstring in his surgery? Because it could also a patellar tendon or allograft (cadaver/donor). I think the most likely for a professional athlete is a patellar or harvesting the hamstring because you have a chance for assured success since your body won't reject it. I've unfortunately had both of ACL's torn (amongst other knee ligaments in the same injuries) and have had one done autograft, one allograft. Lemme tell you...the autograft was the hardest thing in my life I've EVER Had to overcome. But that knee with auto feels 10x stronger than the allograft knee reconstruction. The recovery is no big deal for allograft either, but auto is pain and just brutal for months. I respect anyone who has gone through that and you can't really understand what it feels like unless you have experienced it. I facepalm when people compare it to broken bones. I would say the toughest part is the psychological part. It's hard to trust your knee again, and if you don't you can do some more damage.
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Originally posted by 49erGlory:
Originally posted by okdkid:
Squats, no matter how heavy, aren't a very good way to measure ACL progress. They begin to put load on the ACL only a few months after surgery. If he was squatting 700 lbs before the injury... getting back to that level within ~9 months or so isn't that big of a hurdle (though, injury or not, it's impressive strength...but he was already bringing that to the table). He would have had the ability to do straight line movements for some time now. So, as long as he was keeping up on his lifting... he could hit his pre-injury PRs in no time.

What will be important for him is the change of direction/shearing forces he puts on the new ACL. I'd be interested to see him running a full speed 3-cone more than anything else.

That said, this is all moot in today's NFL. ACL's are just one-time s**tty injuries that leave players no worse for the wear ~12-14mo. post surgery.

The really cool thing about ACL reconstruction is that they take a tendon from your hamstring...which regenerates back in your hamstring in a couple months. Then the transplanted hamstring tendon acts as a scaffolding for the body to build an entirely new ACL -- while the transplanted hamstring tendon is slowly absorbed away.

Did they confirm they used a hamstring in his surgery? Because it could also a patellar tendon or allograft (cadaver/donor). I think the most likely for a professional athlete is a patellar or harvesting the hamstring because you have a chance for assured success since your body won't reject it. I've unfortunately had both of ACL's torn (amongst other knee ligaments in the same injuries) and have had one done autograft, one allograft. Lemme tell you...the autograft was the hardest thing in my life I've EVER Had to overcome. But that knee with auto feels 10x stronger than the allograft knee reconstruction. The recovery is no big deal for allograft either, but auto is pain and just brutal for months. I respect anyone who has gone through that and you can't really understand what it feels like unless you have experienced it. I facepalm when people compare it to broken bones. I would say the toughest part is the psychological part. It's hard to trust your knee again, and if you don't you can do some more damage.

I didn't see confirmation specifically to Street. But I know that is what Garoppolo had done, and it's the common procedure these days for athletes. It's possible he went another route -- but I would be surprised.
Originally posted by socal9er42:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by socal9er42:
Any updates on how his rehab is going?

Yeah, he'll be competing with a $9M AA and Jullian Taylor for base down snaps at Big End.
So he's been cleared for full OTA's? I hope he's fully healthy and surprises a bunch of people. If the 49ers FO believe in him, I wonder if that will factor into their choice if it comes down to QW vs Bosa if both are available.

I think he was practicing last year, some time around December I think? It is a vague recollection, so maybe I confused him with another player.
The real reason why we didn't go after another FA pass rusher.
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He's not making the team
Originally posted by 808niner4lyphe:
The real reason why we didn't go after another FA pass rusher.


Originally posted by FaTaL:
He's not making the team

lol

The sad thing is that you both could be right.
[ Edited by pdizo916 on Mar 29, 2019 at 12:09 AM ]
He needs to get them stem cells in that knee.
My guy is ready to eat!!

Originally posted by Heroism:
My guy is ready to eat!!


He does look like a baby hulk. Any thoughts or guesses as to where he'd play, his role, making the 53, 46, etc.?
ACLs are overrated

Horseface played his whole career without one

https://www.hogshaven.com/2013/1/8/3850294/john-elway-played-entire-career-without-acl
Originally posted by Heroism:
My guy is ready to eat!!


Good stuff to see. Hope he comes back 100 %
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