WR Richie James

I can't see him not making the team.

Originally posted by dngt49:
Taylor is arguably our best WR. He ain't getting cut.

jesus,, if some thing taylor is our best guy and has not even played.. well.. we do indeed have the worst wide outs in the nfl. most of our guys would struggle to be a 2 on another team. there is a reason they brought in three guys who are polar opposites of "our guys"

Originally posted by cciowa:

jesus,, if some thing taylor is our best guy and has not even played.. well.. we do indeed have the worst wide outs in the nfl. most of our guys would struggle to be a 2 on another team. there is a reason they brought in three guys who are polar opposites of "our guys"

Pretty sure you can have WRs of all sizes and skill sets, no? Taylor is good at getting 1st Downs. He doesn't drop the ball and has the confidence from our QB.

Matthews for as big as he is isn't exactly some iron man...been in and out teams and injured for yrs.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by cciowa:
jesus,, if some thing taylor is our best guy and has not even played.. well.. we do indeed have the worst wide outs in the nfl. most of our guys would struggle to be a 2 on another team. there is a reason they brought in three guys who are polar opposites of "our guys"

Pretty sure you can have WRs of all sizes and skill sets, no? Taylor is good at getting 1st Downs. He doesn't drop the ball and has the confidence from our QB.

Matthews for as big as he is isn't exactly some iron man...been in and out teams and injured for yrs.

did not bring up mathews per say. i just opinionated that if taylor is our best wide out. i am extra glad kyle brought in three new guys. but the guys he did bring in are all opposite of our little guys from last year and i think that was done on purpose by kyle

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Nope not true.

The yr ATL went to the SB they were 2nd in the league in 21 personnel usage and bottom of the league in 11 personnel.

Kyle has also stated he will always have a FB on the the team and will use him.

It's his offense man and it's not gonna change. 7 WRs on the final roster is silly.

"Kyle ran 21 personnel 47% of the time last yr...twice as much as the next highest team. Carrying 7WRs is silly considering we got talent and need elsewhere".

So half of 47% is 23.5% correct? Let's just assume the numbers are similar, I imagine they are. So if the highest team percentage of 21 personnel was 23.5 % in 2016 and ATL was 2nd we could call it roughly 22-23% of the time 21 personnel was used by Kyle.

That tells me Kyle had to dramatically change his game plan to suit this roster. Not because he wants to run 21 personnel that much. You are just proving my point for me.

Why do you think we drafted 2 wrs high and added Mathews? It's not because he favors the 21 personnel. I can assure you that much.

Originally posted by Scarlettlove:

"Kyle ran 21 personnel 47% of the time last yr...twice as much as the next highest team. Carrying 7WRs is silly considering we got talent and need elsewhere".

So half of 47% is 23.5% correct? Let's just assume the numbers are similar, I imagine they are. So if the highest team percentage of 21 personnel was 23.5 % in 2016 and ATL was 2nd we could call it roughly 22-23% of the time 21 personnel was used by Kyle.

That tells me Kyle had to dramatically change his game plan to suit this roster. Not because he wants to run 21 personnel that much. You are just proving my point for me.

Why do you think we drafted 2 wrs high and added Mathews? It's not because he favors the 21 personnel. I can assure you that much.

Now you're going all fake news on me to try and prove a point lol. The bills used it 36% of the time in 2016 and he used it over 30%, so no it wasn't half. Outside of SF and NE last yr on avg NFL used that grouping only 15% of the time.

In an era of wide-open, pass-first football, the Falcons' offense went against the grain in 2016. According to Football Outsiders, the Falcons were in three-receiver personnel packages 45 percent of the time last year, the third-least in the NFL. Instead, Atlanta led the league in 21 personnel.

It's not some thing made up because of need. Kyle has always being top of the league in that grouping and has always been at the bottom of the league in 11 personnel. He's talked about it and there's a reason he paid Juice stupid money and is having Breida and Coleman lining up as receivers as much as he does.

Who cares if they drafted some WRs? They lost garcon and the group overall was piss poor when he showed up. They needed to upgrade.

Matthews is a meaningless signing and you can see that by him getting $300k in guarantees. He wasn't some top end FA that will get fed the ball. He'll be lucky to make the team.

History and how kyle talks about his offense strongly disagree with what you're trying to say as far as personnel goes.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Now you're going all fake news on me to try and prove a point lol. The bills used it 36% of the time in 2016 and he used it over 30%, so no it wasn't half. Outside of SF and NE last yr on avg NFL used that grouping only 15% of the time.

It's not some thing made up because of need. Kyle has always being top of the league in that grouping and has always been at the bottom of the league in 11 personnel. He's talked about it and there's a reason he paid Juice stupid money and is having Breida and Coleman lining up as recovers as much as he does.

Who cares if they drafted some WRs? They lost garcon and the group overall was piss poor when he showed up. They needed to upgrade.

Matthews is a meaningless signing and you can see that by him getting $300k in guarantees. He wasn't some top end FA that will get fed the ball. He'll be lucky to make the team.

History and how kyle talks about his offense strongly disagree with what you're trying to say as far as personnel goes.

The Bills? Easily the worst passing team in the NFL that year or any year. Look who you are using as an example. 30 % is a far cry from nearly 50%.

What are you even trying to argue? Do you have any point at all? My point is we clearly ran more 21 personnel last year because our WRs were injured or trash. What point are you trying to make so we are clear?

Originally posted by Scarlettlove:
The Bills? Easily the worst passing team in the NFL that year or any year. Look who you are using as an example. 30 % is a far cry from nearly 50%.

What are you even trying to argue? Do you have any point at all? My point is we clearly ran more 21 personnel last year because our WRs were injured or trash. What point are you trying to make so we are clear?

Actually I was wrong they lead the league in it....and it was the Patriots that ran it the 2nd most.

In an era of wide-open, pass-first football, the Falcons' offense went against the grain in 2016. According to Football Outsiders, the Falcons were in three-receiver personnel packages 45 percent of the time last year, the third-least in the NFL. Instead, Atlanta led the league in 21 personnel groups.

It's pretty easy what I'm trying to "ague" Kyle's scheme doesn't use 11 personnel remotely close to what the rest of the league does. 3 WR sets aren't going to be used as much and THAT needs to be accounted for when we're talking about the bottom of the roster. We will not be keeping 7 WRs (unless they really don't see Taylor playing until after the bye).

He's ALWAYS used 21 personnel and it is a big part of his scheme. It was NOT out of need last yr...I don't know what else to tell ya. There's a reason why they paid Juice 3x more than the next FB, there's a reason he brought in Coleman who's said himself he's never played out as a WR as much as he has this off season. There's a reason they paid Jet as much as they did as well.

Kyle is the HC now, he makes the play-calls, has final day on the roster, and is building this team how he wants. So YEAH he's clearly built it to fit his ideal offensive scheme.

Bottom line is, JAMES has been the best WR during the 3 pre-season... Cutting him over anyone would really be absurd.

Taylor may have the best chemistry w/Grappy but he AIN'T playing.

Pettis has shown potential, but he's either misused by the coaching staff or just do not wanna use him thoroughly.

both Hurd and Deevah's plays are promising but should have been expected.

Originally posted by 9moon:
Bottom line is, JAMES has been the best WR during the 3 pre-season... Cutting him over anyone would really be absurd.

Taylor may have the best chemistry w/Grappy but he AIN'T playing.

Pettis has shown potential, but he's either misused by the coaching staff or just do not wanna use him thoroughly.

both Hurd and Deevah's plays are promising but should have been expected.

nothing wrong said here. mathews has done good this pre season and aside from a bad throw by nick. had a good game saturday

Originally posted by 9moon:
Bottom line is, JAMES has been the best WR during the 3 pre-season... Cutting him over anyone would really be absurd.

Taylor may have the best chemistry w/Grappy but he AIN'T playing.

Pettis has shown potential, but he's either misused by the coaching staff or just do not wanna use him thoroughly.

both Hurd and Deevah's plays are promising but should have been expected.

Calling Deebo Deevah... should probably learn where that nickname came from and he's cemented that nickname in the preseason.

WZ Logic: Player looks good = expected, Player has a bad game = he sucks, fire Shanny as if better replacements are easy to come by and just around the corner.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by cciowa:

jesus,, if some thing taylor is our best guy and has not even played.. well.. we do indeed have the worst wide outs in the nfl. most of our guys would struggle to be a 2 on another team. there is a reason they brought in three guys who are polar opposites of "our guys"

Pretty sure you can have WRs of all sizes and skill sets, no? Taylor is good at getting 1st Downs. He doesn't drop the ball and has the confidence from our QB.

Matthews for as big as he is isn't exactly some iron man...been in and out teams and injured for yrs.

I only say that because when Trent was healthy, he was moving the chains consistently. From what I read, he was having a great camp. But we most likely will struggle at WR again. Pettis and Goodwin ain cutting it and they aren't consistent either. Deebo is gonna step in and start sooner rather than later.

Ill stick by Trent being the best of the bunch though, and that says alot about the rest of the group.

Originally posted by 9moon:
Bottom line is, JAMES has been the best WR during the 3 pre-season... Cutting him over anyone would really be absurd.

Taylor may have the best chemistry w/Grappy but he AIN'T playing.

Pettis has shown potential, but he's either misused by the coaching staff or just do not wanna use him thoroughly.

both Hurd and Deevah's plays are promising but should have been expected.

The key word here of course being preseason. Lots of preseason stars around the league who end up disappearing during the regular season. Remember that RB we had a few years ago, Winston I think, who led the league in rushing during the warm-up games, didn't make the final cut, ended up with Cleveland and was never heard from again. And as I recall Cleveland was looking for good RB's at that time. Same with that LB who lit it up for a few preseason games and was traded to Indianapolis. I like James and would have no problem with him making the team. I think all of this talk of him being a potential "star' is a bit overblown. Stars tend to shine from the get go, Taylor was hurt most of last year and James couldn't even break into the starting line-up on a regular basis. So clearly the team thought that a diminished Taylor was still better than a healthy James, which I think says a lot about how the team looks at the situation.

LAST year is last year, and YES we need to realize the fact that James had a very very good pre-season..

but the point here is that.... he had better showing than BOURNE - MATTHEWS - GOODWIN and even PETTIS..

I'm sure both rookies (Hurd & Deevah) will make the team, as well as Pettis but that's only because of the fact that we drafted him early last year...

as for other WRs we have, how can ANYONE w/the right stage of mind believe that the rest deserve a spot over James.

Isn't this the point of going thru OTA's - TC - Pre Season??

to see if you deserve to be w/the team???

Originally posted by 9moon:
LAST year is last year, and YES we need to realize the fact that James had a very very good pre-season..

but the point here is that.... he had better showing than BOURNE - MATTHEWS - GOODWIN and even PETTIS..

I'm sure both rookies (Hurd & Deevah) will make the team, as well as Pettis but that's only because of the fact that we drafted him early last year...

as for other WRs we have, how can ANYONE w/the right stage of mind believe that the rest deserve a spot over James.

Isn't this the point of going thru OTA's - TC - Pre Season??

to see if you deserve to be w/the team???

I'm all for James making the team...also gotta look at snap counts in preseason. James probably had more than any WR, opportunity was there for him to put up numbers (and he did).

IMO he should make it over Matthews/Bourne for his return skills alone.