Eric Reid thread

Originally posted by Stud:

He'll say the same thing. "You didn't provide any examples. I'm right, you're wrong"!!

I usually try to avoid these threads. The indirect enabling around here is unreal sometimes.

Originally posted by Stud:

LOL. I already answered this in the Kap thread. But since you clearly think highly of yourself, I'll bite:

He could easily star in commercials, whether TV or on YouTube to bring his awareness. He could do PSA with actors and other athletes. He can go on speaking tours at schools. He could go to the Republican and Democratic conventions to talk about it. He could openly meet with police officers in major cities. He could meet with the President of the United States (which is actually in the works believe it or not). He can create multiple foundations. He could go around the country with other athletes to multiple news outlets and talk about his issues on places like CNN, Fox, MSNBC, almost guaranteeing he will reach millions of viewers. Sh-t, he could even organize rallies at police stations that have been known to abuse power, again guaranteeing that the news would cover it and would reach millions upon millions of viewers. Look at these "March for our lives" rallies and how much coverage and attention it got, even if these kids are ignorant and have no clue about how the world works. Kap and Reid both could use their example on how to reach people.

Literally there were lots and lots of ways he could've protested. He chose probably the worst way to do it because he surrounded himself with morons that gave him sh-t advice. If you truly believe that pissing off half the countries and p-ssing on the graves of soldiers that had nothing to do with police brutality was the only way to get his message across, than you truly are as shallow as Kap and Reid. I keep hearing this talking point from people on the far left that pissing people off didn't matter, it was the point of bringing awareness or "creating a discussion". LOL!!! If you piss people off so much, nobody is going to pay attention to your protest. They're going to turn away and no longer look, thus making your protest invalid. These NFL protests were perfect examples. They did nothing but hurt ratings and revenue and the only thing it solved was that Kap and Reid are out of jobs. F-cking LOL!

In the end, Kap and Reid have no right to protest at work. Sorry. They are not protected from getting fired.

PS. Don't even bother trying to "discredit" any of the examples I gave because each one is exactly what you asked for and are effective. Read a book on effective protest tactics. You might learn something.

That was the best and most thought out post any person has written on this debacle, until you said p*ssing on the graves of soldiers.

You betrayed a fatal flaw, you showed intelligence but then gave in to your anger.

That's the big thing about this situation, can people look at it objectively or not?

The best thing these athletes can do is go on ride alongs with police officers so they can understand both sides of the issues. Sadly they probably don't have the guts to do so. So they kneel

Originally posted by HomerJ:

Originally posted by Stud:

He'll say the same thing. "You didn't provide any examples. I'm right, you're wrong"!!

I usually try to avoid these threads. The indirect enabling around here is unreal sometimes.

Originally posted by Stud:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by HomerJ:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by HomerJ:

I can think of a many ways Reid (and Kap) could have gone about their protest without becoming public enemy #1. That why I don't make excuses or feel sorry for them.

Please, please, PLEASE share these "many ways" that they could have gone about their protest and still reach the masses like they have. Please.

I and others have asked people who have the opinion you have many, many times to name just one way that they could have protested differently and raised the same amount of awareness, and no one has been able to come up with one single way they could have done it and been as effective.

Now you are saying you can think of many ways. Please share. I am begging you.

Who is talking about reaching the masses? Is reaching the masses for Kap and Reid the 49ers or the NFLs responsibility? There are MANY forms of protest that don't require hijacking your employers platform to push something on their customers.

Has Kaps protest stopped since he became unemployed? He is staying somewhat relevant with his push to educate minors and those he thinks are victims, his monthly donations totaling $1m (or whatever the number was), meeting with police groups, working with political groups in communities, buy radio/TV time to deliver his message, etc.

I have no idea why you think its ok for him to put on his employers uniform, on company time, in front of his employers paying customers and think that is a realistic platform for him to to push an unorganized and sloppy protest.

I will never understand the lengths some of you go to to defend Kap and Reid and excuse them of any accountability for the position they find themselves in.

Why don't you hold Kap and Reid to a standard that everyone else is held to with regards to being employed?

So you cant list one way, let alone many ways. Just like I expected (due to no one else being able to come up with a logical answer for the better part of a year).

LOL. I already answered this in the Kap thread. But since you clearly think highly of yourself, I'll bite:

He could easily star in commercials, whether TV or on YouTube to bring his awareness. He could do PSA with actors and other athletes. He can go on speaking tours at schools. He could go to the Republican and Democratic conventions to talk about it. He could openly meet with police officers in major cities. He could meet with the President of the United States (which is actually in the works believe it or not). He can create multiple foundations. He could go around the country with other athletes to multiple news outlets and talk about his issues on places like CNN, Fox, MSNBC, almost guaranteeing he will reach millions of viewers. Sh-t, he could even organize rallies at police stations that have been known to abuse power, again guaranteeing that the news would cover it and would reach millions upon millions of viewers. Look at these "March for our lives" rallies and how much coverage and attention it got, even if these kids are ignorant and have no clue about how the world works. Kap and Reid both could use their example on how to reach people.

Literally there were lots and lots of ways he could've protested. He chose probably the worst way to do it because he surrounded himself with morons that gave him sh-t advice. If you truly believe that pissing off half the countries and p-ssing on the graves of soldiers that had nothing to do with police brutality was the only way to get his message across, than you truly are as shallow as Kap and Reid. I keep hearing this talking point from people on the far left that pissing people off didn't matter, it was the point of bringing awareness or "creating a discussion". LOL!!! If you piss people off so much, nobody is going to pay attention to your protest. They're going to turn away and no longer look, thus making your protest invalid. These NFL protests were perfect examples. They did nothing but hurt ratings and revenue and the only thing it solved was that Kap and Reid are out of jobs. F-cking LOL!

In the end, Kap and Reid have no right to protest at work. Sorry. They are not protected from getting fired.

PS. Don't even bother trying to "discredit" any of the examples I gave because each one is exactly what you asked for and are effective. Read a book on effective protest tactics. You might learn something.

Fail.

"Still reach the masses."

This is Jeopardy, the category is gestures.

The answer The bending of the lower leg, done as a sign of respect, usually when a player is injured.

Originally posted by Stud:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by HomerJ:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by HomerJ:

I can think of a many ways Reid (and Kap) could have gone about their protest without becoming public enemy #1. That why I don't make excuses or feel sorry for them.

Please, please, PLEASE share these "many ways" that they could have gone about their protest and still reach the masses like they have. Please.

I and others have asked people who have the opinion you have many, many times to name just one way that they could have protested differently and raised the same amount of awareness, and no one has been able to come up with one single way they could have done it and been as effective.

Now you are saying you can think of many ways. Please share. I am begging you.

Who is talking about reaching the masses? Is reaching the masses for Kap and Reid the 49ers or the NFLs responsibility? There are MANY forms of protest that don't require hijacking your employers platform to push something on their customers.

Has Kaps protest stopped since he became unemployed? He is staying somewhat relevant with his push to educate minors and those he thinks are victims, his monthly donations totaling $1m (or whatever the number was), meeting with police groups, working with political groups in communities, buy radio/TV time to deliver his message, etc.

I have no idea why you think its ok for him to put on his employers uniform, on company time, in front of his employers paying customers and think that is a realistic platform for him to to push an unorganized and sloppy protest.

I will never understand the lengths some of you go to to defend Kap and Reid and excuse them of any accountability for the position they find themselves in.

Why don't you hold Kap and Reid to a standard that everyone else is held to with regards to being employed?

So you cant list one way, let alone many ways. Just like I expected (due to no one else being able to come up with a logical answer for the better part of a year).

LOL. I already answered this in the Kap thread. But since you clearly think highly of yourself, I'll bite:

He could easily star in commercials, whether TV or on YouTube to bring his awareness. He could do PSA with actors and other athletes. He can go on speaking tours at schools. He could go to the Republican and Democratic conventions to talk about it. He could openly meet with police officers in major cities. He could meet with the President of the United States (which is actually in the works believe it or not). He can create multiple foundations. He could go around the country with other athletes to multiple news outlets and talk about his issues on places like CNN, Fox, MSNBC, almost guaranteeing he will reach millions of viewers. Sh-t, he could even organize rallies at police stations that have been known to abuse power, again guaranteeing that the news would cover it and would reach millions upon millions of viewers. Look at these "March for our lives" rallies and how much coverage and attention it got, even if these kids are ignorant and have no clue about how the world works. Kap and Reid both could use their example on how to reach people.

Literally there were lots and lots of ways he could've protested. He chose probably the worst way to do it because he surrounded himself with morons that gave him sh-t advice. If you truly believe that pissing off half the countries and p-ssing on the graves of soldiers that had nothing to do with police brutality was the only way to get his message across, than you truly are as shallow as Kap and Reid. I keep hearing this talking point from people on the far left that pissing people off didn't matter, it was the point of bringing awareness or "creating a discussion". LOL!!! If you piss people off so much, nobody is going to pay attention to your protest. They're going to turn away and no longer look, thus making your protest invalid. These NFL protests were perfect examples. They did nothing but hurt ratings and revenue and the only thing it solved was that Kap and Reid are out of jobs. F-cking LOL!

In the end, Kap and Reid have no right to protest at work. Sorry. They are not protected from getting fired.

PS. Don't even bother trying to "discredit" any of the examples I gave because each one is exactly what you asked for and are effective. Read a book on effective protest tactics. You might learn something.

MLK pissed off more thnn half the country.
The March on Washington pissed off more than half the country.
The Civil Rights Movement sit ins and boycotts pissed off half the country.

Getting pissed about kneeling and likening it to pissing on a grave is snowflake mentality.

Originally posted by CoachMike:

Originally posted by Furlow:
If it's not disrupting your life then why are you against it?

I am against it because I am a political realist. It is hurting the causes he stands for. I am a life long progressive who was at the WTO in Seattle and many other such gatherings.

CK and Reid are like protesters who unlike me went willingly to jail and allowed the system to make examples out of them thus scaring off potential supporters. They are just not politically savvy and will never get the intended results.

Unglamorous as it seems I make an effort to speak directly as often as I can with others different than me. I make an effort to understand their views and their feelings. In the end communication works as good as anything available and is encouraged by employers thus doable at work.

I agree. Great post. Communication and understanding is a great way to achieve change.

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

This is Jeopardy, the category is gestures.

The answer The bending of the lower leg, done as a sign of respect, usually when a player is injured.

We know it has nothing to do with "kneeling". Everyone could stop to kneel and stick to raising their fist instead.....and then the same vocal group will make a big deal about that..

The players could stop both and just stick to staying in the locker room during the National Anthem... well the same vocal group (with the help of he media) would find out who stayed back and didn't honor America and harass them when they get back on the field... or through social media... or pressure owners to force the players to come out or to fine them.

So the players then agree to come out or what ever... no kneeling... no fist... bla bla.

They then choose to practice social justice on their days off or off work. Then the same vocal group will b***h that the players are not concentrating on football...and are holding the team back. They need to do this on their own time in the offseason.


Ok players agree... no protesting during the regular season. Players choose to take advantage of the offseason and REALLY try to bring awareness..maybe be even not hold back and be PC, since they have been forced away from peaceful protest by just taking a knee.

Um... the same vocal group will b***h that these players STILL represent the team...and they shouldn't embarrass the team like this. They should wait until they are free agents or something when they don't represent a team.. a city.... these same vocal fans!

At the end of the day... it's the same as it has always been regarding reasoning. Kaepernick and Eric Reid know it.... other NFL players know it.

Originally posted by Stud:
LOL. I already answered this in the Kap thread. But since you clearly think highly of yourself, I'll bite:

He could easily star in commercials, whether TV or on YouTube to bring his awareness. He could do PSA with actors and other athletes. He can go on speaking tours at schools. He could go to the Republican and Democratic conventions to talk about it. He could openly meet with police officers in major cities. He could meet with the President of the United States (which is actually in the works believe it or not). He can create multiple foundations. He could go around the country with other athletes to multiple news outlets and talk about his issues on places like CNN, Fox, MSNBC, almost guaranteeing he will reach millions of viewers. Sh-t, he could even organize rallies at police stations that have been known to abuse power, again guaranteeing that the news would cover it and would reach millions upon millions of viewers. Look at these "March for our lives" rallies and how much coverage and attention it got, even if these kids are ignorant and have no clue about how the world works. Kap and Reid both could use their example on how to reach people.

Literally there were lots and lots of ways he could've protested. He chose probably the worst way to do it because he surrounded himself with morons that gave him sh-t advice. If you truly believe that pissing off half the countries and p-ssing on the graves of soldiers that had nothing to do with police brutality was the only way to get his message across, than you truly are as shallow as Kap and Reid. I keep hearing this talking point from people on the far left that pissing people off didn't matter, it was the point of bringing awareness or "creating a discussion". LOL!!! If you piss people off so much, nobody is going to pay attention to your protest. They're going to turn away and no longer look, thus making your protest invalid. These NFL protests were perfect examples. They did nothing but hurt ratings and revenue and the only thing it solved was that Kap and Reid are out of jobs. F-cking LOL!

In the end, Kap and Reid have no right to protest at work. Sorry. They are not protected from getting fired.

PS. Don't even bother trying to "discredit" any of the examples I gave because each one is exactly what you asked for and are effective. Read a book on effective protest tactics. You might learn something.

I agree with this to a point. I think what Kaep did started the seriousness of the conversation. Before Kaep everyday people did exactly what you are suggesting they do. But no one listened. It took a high profile player to start doing this for it to get the recognition it deserved.

HOWEVER, after the NBA chimed in and then the rest of the world, i think the kneeling should have stopped. It was only bringing negative attention to the entire situation. I know the protest was never about the flag. But like "WE" (African Americans) tried to tell Charlottesville what their statue meant to us. They tried to tell "US" what the flag means to them. We can't expect them to remove statues because of our beliefs then totally ignore the other side's beliefs as it pertains to the flag.

So yes, after this thing gained momentum and started bringing in all of the negativity. They should have stopped kneeling and protested in ways you described. But without Kaep and others, this never would have been discussed/addressed the way in which it is and will be in the future.

Originally posted by HomerJ:
Who is talking about reaching the masses? Is reaching the masses for Kap and Reid the 49ers or the NFLs responsibility? There are MANY forms of protest that don't require hijacking your employers platform to push something on their customers.

Has Kaps protest stopped since he became unemployed? He is staying somewhat relevant with his push to educate minors and those he thinks are victims, his monthly donations totaling $1m (or whatever the number was), meeting with police groups, working with political groups in communities, buy radio/TV time to deliver his message, etc.

I have no idea why you think its ok for him to put on his employers uniform, on company time, in front of his employers paying customers and think that is a realistic platform for him to to push an unorganized and sloppy protest.

I will never understand the lengths some of you go to to defend Kap and Reid and excuse them of any accountability for the position they find themselves in.

Why don't you hold Kap and Reid to a standard that everyone else is held to with regards to being employed?

While i agree the protest should have stopped once it got the recognition of other sports/celebrities and they help carry the torch. I also love how the people who get offended by the protest and speak about it eh way that you are.

1. He did it for what 3 weeks before anyone even noticing he was sitting? So how bad was it hurting you or our country if it took you that long to figure it out?

2. He didn't hold a press conference specifically to speak about the protest. He sat in front of the media that his employers mandate he sits in front of, thus giving him a platform to talk about it.

3. He was only answering questions the media asked him. Again, in front of the media that his employers mandate he sits in front of.

4. These same networks that are said to be affected by the protests are the same dumbas*es that kept showing people protesting during the national anthem.

5. If the broadcaster never brought up Kaep kneeling then they never talked about which players were kneeling we wouldn't be in this position.

But the media brought it to everyone's attention. Then the media told everyone how they should feel. Then they kept showing and telling showing and telling til we got where we are right now.

People hate the Yanks/Patriots/Notre Dame/Duke because they're ALWAYS on tv and the media are ALWAYS talking about them.
People hate tom Brady and LeBron because they're ALWAYS on tv and the media are ALWAYS talking about them.
People hated Tim Tebow and Johnny Football because they were ALWAYS on tv and the media ALWAYS talked about them.

Too much of anything is bad. No different in sports. This protest thing got WAAAAAAAYYYYYY too much attention and this was the inevitable result.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

He has to prove two owners or one owner and the League Office came to an agreement to not sign him.

Pretty much. In his case I think it's hog wash since he's not controversial. Just one of many players who kneels. Kap is a different story he's the face of the movement and someone who if you signed him would cause backlash. No one cares about Reid. Safety has a slow market, only team who did show interest him is fighting the kneeling. I guess it's worth a shot to see if Brown is conversing around the league but I doubt he wins.

Originally posted by krizay:

While i agree the protest should have stopped once it got the recognition of other sports/celebrities and they help carry the torch. I also love how the people who get offended by the protest and speak about it eh way that you are.

1. He did it for what 3 weeks before anyone even noticing he was sitting? So how bad was it hurting you or our country if it took you that long to figure it out?

2. He didn't hold a press conference specifically to speak about the protest. He sat in front of the media that his employers mandate he sits in front of, thus giving him a platform to talk about it.

3. He was only answering questions the media asked him. Again, in front of the media that his employers mandate he sits in front of.

4. These same networks that are said to be affected by the protests are the same dumbas*es that kept showing people protesting during the national anthem.

5. If the broadcaster never brought up Kaep kneeling then they never talked about which players were kneeling we wouldn't be in this position.

But the media brought it to everyone's attention. Then the media told everyone how they should feel. Then they kept showing and telling showing and telling til we got where we are right now.

People hate the Yanks/Patriots/Notre Dame/Duke because they're ALWAYS on tv and the media are ALWAYS talking about them.
People hate tom Brady and LeBron because they're ALWAYS on tv and the media are ALWAYS talking about them.
People hated Tim Tebow and Johnny Football because they were ALWAYS on tv and the media ALWAYS talked about them.

Too much of anything is bad. No different in sports. This protest thing got WAAAAAAAYYYYYY too much attention and this was the inevitable result.

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

Originally posted by krizay:
While i agree the protest should have stopped once it got the recognition of other sports/celebrities and they help carry the torch. I also love how the people who get offended by the protest and speak about it eh way that you are.

1. He did it for what 3 weeks before anyone even noticing he was sitting? So how bad was it hurting you or our country if it took you that long to figure it out?

2. He didn't hold a press conference specifically to speak about the protest. He sat in front of the media that his employers mandate he sits in front of, thus giving him a platform to talk about it.

3. He was only answering questions the media asked him. Again, in front of the media that his employers mandate he sits in front of.

4. These same networks that are said to be affected by the protests are the same dumbas*es that kept showing people protesting during the national anthem.

5. If the broadcaster never brought up Kaep kneeling then they never talked about which players were kneeling we wouldn't be in this position.

But the media brought it to everyone's attention. Then the media told everyone how they should feel. Then they kept showing and telling showing and telling til we got where we are right now.

People hate the Yanks/Patriots/Notre Dame/Duke because they're ALWAYS on tv and the media are ALWAYS talking about them.
People hate tom Brady and LeBron because they're ALWAYS on tv and the media are ALWAYS talking about them.
People hated Tim Tebow and Johnny Football because they were ALWAYS on tv and the media ALWAYS talked about them.

Too much of anything is bad. No different in sports. This protest thing got WAAAAAAAYYYYYY too much attention and this was the inevitable result.

you don't think Kaep knew the Media would blow it up ?

Thats the reason he did it.. "Hey look at me"

Just getting back to this thread. But I see a lot of good responses have already been posted. Stud, I do appreciate that you tried to provide your opinion of what Kap and Reid could have done differently, but ultimately, your hate and biases shine through that your message becomes murky.

Your claims that the best protests dont piss off half the country....uh....BS. The fact that you are wrong about this invalidates your argument IMO. It is laid out quite well here:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
MLK pissed off more thnn half the country.
The March on Washington pissed off more than half the country.
The Civil Rights Movement sit ins and boycotts pissed off half the country.

Getting pissed about kneeling and likening it to pissing on a grave is snowflake mentality.

Krizzay's last two posts were pretty spot on as well.