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Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
Agree with the bottom part, not the top.

There aren't that many people who can play single high Safety effectively, there are plenty of teams who play a mixture of Cover 2, quarters, Cover 2 Man or Tampa 2.

Reid could play either safety in all of the above which makes him more valuable than Boston, Vaccaro or other cheap run stuffing options.

There is only one reason he doesn't have a job.

Yet more than two weeks into the signing period, Boston still hasn't gotten the offer he wants after initially receiving interest from Arizona, Oakland, Cleveland and the New York Giants.
"Just like a few of the other guys, we're just not hearing anything near what we want to hear or even close," Boston told co-host Ed McCaffrey and me Thursday on SiriusXM NFL Radio. "We're closer to veteran minimum than we are to the $7-, $8-, $9-million players we wanted to be two months ago or even eight months ago."
Boston has a valid reason for being perplexed.
"It's kind of unbelievable to me," he said. "We're talking about a position that's needed more and more on the field in today's game.
"There are about five or six valuable starting safeties in free agency right now. But I guess it's just trying to get us to take peanuts like the rest of them have. That's just the business of the game."


looks like Boston gets it.
Originally posted by krizay:
Yet more than two weeks into the signing period, Boston still hasn't gotten the offer he wants after initially receiving interest from Arizona, Oakland, Cleveland and the New York Giants.
"Just like a few of the other guys, we're just not hearing anything near what we want to hear or even close," Boston told co-host Ed McCaffrey and me Thursday on SiriusXM NFL Radio. "We're closer to veteran minimum than we are to the $7-, $8-, $9-million players we wanted to be two months ago or even eight months ago."
Boston has a valid reason for being perplexed.
"It's kind of unbelievable to me," he said. "We're talking about a position that's needed more and more on the field in today's game.
"There are about five or six valuable starting safeties in free agency right now. But I guess it's just trying to get us to take peanuts like the rest of them have. That's just the business of the game."


looks like Boston gets it.

Did Boston get asked by an owner if he was going to protest?

That's a good read though, fair play to him.
Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
Did Boston get asked by an owner if he was going to protest?

That's a good read though, fair play to him.

When you are in a job interview do you tell the truth or tell the employer what they want to hear? If Reid TRULY wanted a job, he would have said no. After signing his contract he can do or say whatever he wants. If he gets cut/fired/traded because of it. Then he would actually have an argument and/or proof.

He made the statement prior to free agency he wasn't going to kneel. so there is noting wrong with saying "I have no intentions to kneel". Then if something happens that he feels the need to kneel he left the door open for him to kneel without looking like a comeplete liar.

Now i stated the above to help my initial argument that i think he just wants to ride Kaeps coattails on this collusion noise(which i think KAEP has a case). I truly believe Reid doesn't really want to make a team so he can be remembered like Kaep. Which he is not.

With all of that said, The owner should not have asked that question and i'm not saying that his stance isn't playing some sort of part in it. But IMO it is in the lesser 10% of the reason. The money they want for the position he plays is the biggest reason IMHO.
Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
Originally posted by dj43:
There is more than one reason he doesn't have a job but let me respond to that "one reason."

In a way, I feel sorry for Reid. He is a great teammate and a leader in the locker room. He is just that kind of guy. The problem is that he allied himself with Kaepernick after CK had come out with some of his vacuous comments and other off-field things became public. In so doing, he became attached to all those very ill-considered events and statements even though his own statements and activities were much more well-thought out than were Kaepernick's.

In short, though Kaepernick was really the toxic one in terms of media presence, Reid became guilty by association. IMO, had Reid been on another team and done the same thing he did on the 49ers, no one would have thought twice about any "baggage" he might bring. A lot of players knelt during the anthem but none of them aroused the ire the way Kaepernick did. So, Reid winds up in the same shade as Kaepernick, though he does not deserve it.

I still stand by the fact the primary reason he doesn't have a job is because of the position he plays, but I will not say that is the only reason.

D.J. you are someone I respect on this board, but come on, you write that someone is guilty by association and also say that "in a way" you feel sorry for them, that just isn't right.

It's an injustice on top of an injustice. Bad things happen when good people look the other way.

Thank you for the respect. Let me expand my position a bit.

I fully support the need for greater accountability on the part of law enforcement. That is not to say that all individuals or districts are in need of reform, but if only 10% need reform, that should happen. The larger point is that most are honest, diligent and fair. That is the key.

When Kaepernick first began his protest by remaining seated during the anthem, he made statements to the media that were so poorly thought-out and poorly expressed that one would have thought a 7th grader composed them. I was very disappointed and TBH, surprised at the way he expressed himself. It was not only poorly expressed, it attacked ALL LEOs as the same - pigs. He also attacked the nation as a whole rather than focusing on the specific issue. The nature of his comments turned off many people who might otherwise support the root cause. The fact that three weeks later his rhetoric had changed dramatically was too little too late. The "horse was out of the barn."

To make matters worse, there were all the other things that came to light that took the focus further off the goal. Not voting or even registering, t-shirt, etc., etc. All of these things painted Kaepernick in a disingenuous light.

Personally, I was very disappointed in him because he grew up in a town near me and I followed his career somewhat from HS to SF. I have also met his parents - nice folks. He grew up in an upper middle class neighborhood with a solid, intact family around him. He enjoyed everything one needs to succeed. I wanted to see him succeed in the pros and with the intent of his social activity. The problem was that even though he made dramatic improvements in the way he initially expressed himself, in those first three weeks he had burned a LOT of bridges.

Eric Reid, OTOH, had none of that extra baggage to bear. He is a thoughtful, sincere guy. He also grew up in a neighborhood in Baton Rouge where racism and police brutality was a fact of life. If anyone should have a platform for honest social commentary, Reid should have it.

Now I come to where I feel Reid is "guilty by association," as you put it. Reid, speaking from his personal background, noted the importance of the issue but always did it thoughtfully and respectfully, in contrast to the way Kaepernick expressed himself in those first three weeks. However, being on the same team as CK, and being a good teammate and team leader, he joined and supported him, as we know. Though Reid is his own man, and speaks well when questioned, he has had nothing like the overall presence that Kaepernick has had going all the way back to his front-cover posing for national magazines - well before he started his activism. In short, Reid is the underling player in the cause yet he is painted on the same canvas. As a result, it makes it easy for those who have strong feelings for the flag, the anthem, military, etc. to reject Reid right along with Kaepernick though they are clearly two different individuals who have traveled two quite different paths to where they are now.

As I said above, if Reid had been on a different team than Kaepernick, he might have a job now. He would still have to deal with the soft safety market but he would be free from the extra individual negatives Kaepernick personally brings.

Yes, that sounds unfair to Reid but that is the situation he has found himself in, as I see it.
[ Edited by dj43 on Jun 7, 2018 at 9:20 AM ]
D.J. that's a well thought out and well written post, but you even acknowledge that Reid has said and done all the right things, you should be just as outraged as I am that he doesn't have a job.
Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
D.J. that's a well thought out and well written post, but you even acknowledge that Reid has said and done all the right things, you should be just as outraged as I am that he doesn't have a job.

I am disappointed. I like him. As I said, he was caught up in the Kaepernick connection and that is toxic.
Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
Did Boston get asked by an owner if he was going to protest?

That's a good read though, fair play to him.

Its pretty obvious to most what is going on with these safeties. Even if Reid had never kneeled or protested, he wasn't getting top dollar or close. Not with his coverage limitations or his history of concussions.

It it pretty clear that these 2014 guys came out expecting to be rewarded with nice paydays and none of them have gotten offers anywhere close to what they were expecting, had they received them, players like Boston and Vaccaro would easily have jobs right now. They aren't bad safeties by any stretch of the imagination, they just aren't super valuable in today's NFL. Inevitably they will have to accept some heavy discounted contract offer or wait for a playoff team to get desperate after a starter goes down.
dj great post, I've always thought that Reid went about things the right way whereas Kap seemed immature from the get go. Kap went from a guy who stared at the media like they were the problem to being a social voice for a movement. He's been manipulated by people that did not care about the years of struggle to get to be a pro or what it means. He (Kap) could've gone about in a mature fashion where he'd still have a job and be a voice for change. The music stopped and there was no chair for Reid to sit. I hope he finds a job soon.
Originally posted by dj43:
Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
Originally posted by dj43:
There is more than one reason he doesn't have a job but let me respond to that "one reason."

In a way, I feel sorry for Reid. He is a great teammate and a leader in the locker room. He is just that kind of guy. The problem is that he allied himself with Kaepernick after CK had come out with some of his vacuous comments and other off-field things became public. In so doing, he became attached to all those very ill-considered events and statements even though his own statements and activities were much more well-thought out than were Kaepernick's.

In short, though Kaepernick was really the toxic one in terms of media presence, Reid became guilty by association. IMO, had Reid been on another team and done the same thing he did on the 49ers, no one would have thought twice about any "baggage" he might bring. A lot of players knelt during the anthem but none of them aroused the ire the way Kaepernick did. So, Reid winds up in the same shade as Kaepernick, though he does not deserve it.

I still stand by the fact the primary reason he doesn't have a job is because of the position he plays, but I will not say that is the only reason.

D.J. you are someone I respect on this board, but come on, you write that someone is guilty by association and also say that "in a way" you feel sorry for them, that just isn't right.

It's an injustice on top of an injustice. Bad things happen when good people look the other way.

Thank you for the respect. Let me expand my position a bit.

I fully support the need for greater accountability on the part of law enforcement. That is not to say that all individuals or districts are in need of reform, but if only 10% need reform, that should happen. The larger point is that most are honest, diligent and fair. That is the key.

When Kaepernick first began his protest by remaining seated during the anthem, he made statements to the media that were so poorly thought-out and poorly expressed that one would have thought a 7th grader composed them. I was very disappointed and TBH, surprised at the way he expressed himself. It was not only poorly expressed, it attacked ALL LEOs as the same - pigs. He also attacked the nation as a whole rather than focusing on the specific issue. The nature of his comments turned off many people who might otherwise support the root cause. The fact that three weeks later his rhetoric had changed dramatically was too little too late. The "horse was out of the barn."

To make matters worse, there were all the other things that came to light that took the focus further off the goal. Not voting or even registering, t-shirt, etc., etc. All of these things painted Kaepernick in a disingenuous light.

Personally, I was very disappointed in him because he grew up in a town near me and I followed his career somewhat from HS to SF. I have also met his parents - nice folks. He grew up in an upper middle class neighborhood with a solid, intact family around him. He enjoyed everything one needs to succeed. I wanted to see him succeed in the pros and with the intent of his social activity. The problem was that even though he made dramatic improvements in the way he initially expressed himself, in those first three weeks he had burned a LOT of bridges.

Eric Reid, OTOH, had none of that extra baggage to bear. He is a thoughtful, sincere guy. He also grew up in a neighborhood in Baton Rouge where racism and police brutality was a fact of life. If anyone should have a platform for honest social commentary, Reid should have it.

Now I come to where I feel Reid is "guilty by association," as you put it. Reid, speaking from his personal background, noted the importance of the issue but always did it thoughtfully and respectfully, in contrast to the way Kaepernick expressed himself in those first three weeks. However, being on the same team as CK, and being a good teammate and team leader, he joined and supported him, as we know. Though Reid is his own man, and speaks well when questioned, he has had nothing like the overall presence that Kaepernick has had going all the way back to his front-cover posing for national magazines - well before he started his activism. In short, Reid is the underling player in the cause yet he is painted on the same canvas. As a result, it makes it easy for those who have strong feelings for the flag, the anthem, military, etc. to reject Reid right along with Kaepernick though they are clearly two different individuals who have traveled two quite different paths to where they are now.

As I said above, if Reid had been on a different team than Kaepernick, he might have a job now. He would still have to deal with the soft safety market but he would be free from the extra individual negatives Kaepernick personally brings.

Yes, that sounds unfair to Reid but that is the situation he has found himself in, as I see it.

This is a fantastic post. Well written and I absolutely agree.
Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
D.J. that's a well thought out and well written post, but you even acknowledge that Reid has said and done all the right things, you should be just as outraged as I am that he doesn't have a job.

You are "outraged" that Eric Reid doesnt have a job? Good safety, yea ... but easily replaceable for cheaper as was proven last year. When I think about Eric Reid's career, only two things come to mind. When he intercepted Carson Palmer at my first game at Candlestick, and when he got destroyed by Mike Tolbert. Sadly, other than that he's been mediocre to me, and definitely someone I wouldn't be "outraged" about not having a job.
Originally posted by Stanley:
Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
D.J. that's a well thought out and well written post, but you even acknowledge that Reid has said and done all the right things, you should be just as outraged as I am that he doesn't have a job.

You are "outraged" that Eric Reid doesnt have a job? Good safety, yea ... but easily replaceable for cheaper as was proven last year. When I think about Eric Reid's career, only two things come to mind. When he intercepted Carson Palmer at my first game at Candlestick, and when he got destroyed by Mike Tolbert. Sadly, other than that he's been mediocre to me, and definitely someone I wouldn't be "outraged" about not having a job.

Any outrage about Reid not having a job is purely political, not football related. As a safety he isn't exactly a superstar.if he was then there would be reason for some football related reasons to be upset. He is one among several safeties that may have over played their hand on what they believed they were worth. And lets face it, when there is competition and value to be had for less, this is a cold business. Add in the kneeling baggage and you are looking at a whole new scenario to get signed. Is it the only reason? Doubtful. But if I am choosing to pay a position and I can get a similar level of play for less money and one guy also has done something I don't agree with... But far too many key in in the kneeling as the only issue. It isn't.
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
Did Boston get asked by an owner if he was going to protest?

That's a good read though, fair play to him.

Its pretty obvious to most what is going on with these safeties. Even if Reid had never kneeled or protested, he wasn't getting top dollar or close. Not with his coverage limitations or his history of concussions.

It it pretty clear that these 2014 guys came out expecting to be rewarded with nice paydays and none of them have gotten offers anywhere close to what they were expecting, had they received them, players like Boston and Vaccaro would easily have jobs right now. They aren't bad safeties by any stretch of the imagination, they just aren't super valuable in today's NFL. Inevitably they will have to accept some heavy discounted contract offer or wait for a playoff team to get desperate after a starter goes down.

This

The ever changing NFL landscape.

If I recall correctly some years ago RB's were not as sought after as they are now.

That has changed of course and I'm sure there'll be more sea changes to come.
Originally posted by mojave45:
Originally posted by Stanley:
Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
D.J. that's a well thought out and well written post, but you even acknowledge that Reid has said and done all the right things, you should be just as outraged as I am that he doesn't have a job.

You are "outraged" that Eric Reid doesnt have a job? Good safety, yea ... but easily replaceable for cheaper as was proven last year. When I think about Eric Reid's career, only two things come to mind. When he intercepted Carson Palmer at my first game at Candlestick, and when he got destroyed by Mike Tolbert. Sadly, other than that he's been mediocre to me, and definitely someone I wouldn't be "outraged" about not having a job.

Any outrage about Reid not having a job is purely political, not football related. As a safety he isn't exactly a superstar.if he was then there would be reason for some football related reasons to be upset. He is one among several safeties that may have over played their hand on what they believed they were worth. And lets face it, when there is competition and value to be had for less, this is a cold business. Add in the kneeling baggage and you are looking at a whole new scenario to get signed. Is it the only reason? Doubtful. But if I am choosing to pay a position and I can get a similar level of play for less money and one guy also has done something I don't agree with... But far too many key in in the kneeling as the only issue. It isn't.

Fine post!
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https://sports.yahoo.com/arbitrator-hear-eric-reids-complaint-vs-bengals-202445238.html

Welp, I guess he's chosen to end his career like Kap....
Reid and Kaep were only in this for the attention. Guys like Malcolm Jenkins, Anquan Boldin and Chris Long are actually doing work in the community and trying to make a change.

Screw kaep and reid
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