Eric Reid thread

So, based on the last four comments, it's safe to assume that teams may value their late round safety picks higher than Vaccaro and Reid. Seeing Vaccaro sign that contract says a lot. That's a "pre-season cut" type contract for veterans...

I'm not much of a conspiracy theorist, but it wouldn't surprise me if we find out later that Boston and Vaccaro's contracts are bigger than reported, and they waited so long for contracts to help the NFL's defence against Reid's lawsuit.

On a pure football standpoint I can see why the Titans would go for Vaccaro over Reid, but I think it would be naive to think his kneeling and lawsuit didn't factor in their decision.

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
I'm not much of a conspiracy theorist, but it wouldn't surprise me if we find out later that Boston and Vaccaro's contracts are bigger than reported, and they waited so long for contracts to help the NFL's defence against Reid's lawsuit.

On a pure football standpoint I can see why the Titans would go for Vaccaro over Reid, but I think it would be naive to think his kneeling and lawsuit didn't factor in their decision.

Would the 49ers re-sign him? I didn't mind Reid and think he's decent, but not great. He definitely benefited his first two years being on Harbaugh teams. Since then, he leaves a lot to be desired but he's familiar with the system and can add depth and leadership.

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
I'm not much of a conspiracy theorist, but it wouldn't surprise me if we find out later that Boston and Vaccaro's contracts are bigger than reported, and they waited so long for contracts to help the NFL's defence against Reid's lawsuit.

On a pure football standpoint I can see why the Titans would go for Vaccaro over Reid, but I think it would be naive to think his kneeling and lawsuit didn't factor in their decision.

Not a chance.

Originally posted by Stud:

Would the 49ers re-sign him? I didn't mind Reid and think he's decent, but not great. He definitely benefited his first two years being on Harbaugh teams. Since then, he leaves a lot to be desired but he's familiar with the system and can add depth and leadership.

I don't think we will because of the young Safeties, I would if the price is right, he played really well down the stretch, I think he's well suited to the close to the line of scrimmage role on single high D.

Otherwise the Mark Barron, Deon Buchanan money backer role.

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

I'm not much of a conspiracy theorist, but it wouldn't surprise me if we find out later that Boston and Vaccaro's contracts are bigger than reported, and they waited so long for contracts to help the NFL's defence against Reid's lawsuit.

On a pure football standpoint I can see why the Titans would go for Vaccaro over Reid, but I think it would be naive to think his kneeling and lawsuit didn't factor in their decision.

I believe you may be overthinking this. The last two drafts have been loaded at safety, all of these guys apparently wanted too much money(Boston was looking for at least $7 million a year to start) so many teams simply moved on and addressed their needs via the draft.


Now these guys are having to take whatever they can get, which isn't much. Teams are lowballing the hell out of them because they can. Supply and demand.


If the 49ers want to bring back Reid then it shouldn't cost more than $2 to $3 million for the season.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

I believe you may be overthinking this. The last two drafts have been loaded at safety, all of these guys apparently wanted too much money(Boston was looking for at least $7 million a year to start) so many teams simply moved on and addressed their needs via the draft.


Now these guys are having to take whatever they can get, which isn't much. Teams are lowballing the hell out of them because they can. Supply and demand.


If the 49ers want to bring back Reid then it shouldn't cost more than $2 to $3 million for the season.

You're probably right, but knowing the people in charge of the NFL and the teams, it absolutely wouldn't surprise me.

I'm not overthinking anything, just pointing out a scenario that I think is certainly possible if not plausible.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:


I believe you may be overthinking this. The last two drafts have been loaded at safety, all of these guys apparently wanted too much money(Boston was looking for at least $7 million a year to start) so many teams simply moved on and addressed their needs via the draft.

Now these guys are having to take whatever they can get, which isn't much. Teams are lowballing the hell out of them because they can. Supply and demand.

If the 49ers want to bring back Reid then it shouldn't cost more than $2 to $3 million for the season.

Didn't they already offer him a one year deal that he turned down? He went full Nerlens Noel.

This is about the point where I expected Reid to start getting serious consideration to get a Deal done. Teams have seen their Rookies in a preseason game, and the injury bug has started. Vacarro has been signed.

I imagine that nobody will sign him now (except maybe the 9ers) with the Lawsuit.

Could be wrong. Injuries will continue to mount and Rookies will disappoint.

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

I believe you may be overthinking this. The last two drafts have been loaded at safety, all of these guys apparently wanted too much money(Boston was looking for at least $7 million a year to start) so many teams simply moved on and addressed their needs via the draft.


Now these guys are having to take whatever they can get, which isn't much. Teams are lowballing the hell out of them because they can. Supply and demand.


If the 49ers want to bring back Reid then it shouldn't cost more than $2 to $3 million for the season.

You're probably right, but knowing the people in charge of the NFL and the teams, it absolutely wouldn't surprise me.

I'm not overthinking anything, just pointing out a scenario that I think is certainly possible if not plausible.

Looks like I'm not alone

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/08/11/tre-boston-hints-at-league-wide-collusion-regarding-safeties/

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

I believe you may be overthinking this. The last two drafts have been loaded at safety, all of these guys apparently wanted too much money(Boston was looking for at least $7 million a year to start) so many teams simply moved on and addressed their needs via the draft.


Now these guys are having to take whatever they can get, which isn't much. Teams are lowballing the hell out of them because they can. Supply and demand.


If the 49ers want to bring back Reid then it shouldn't cost more than $2 to $3 million for the season.

You're probably right, but knowing the people in charge of the NFL and the teams, it absolutely wouldn't surprise me.

I'm not overthinking anything, just pointing out a scenario that I think is certainly possible if not plausible.

Looks like I'm not alone

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/08/11/tre-boston-hints-at-league-wide-collusion-regarding-safeties/

Conspiracy theorists rarely are alone.

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

Looks like I'm not alone

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/08/11/tre-boston-hints-at-league-wide-collusion-regarding-safeties/

Boston is grasping at straws and whining like he has been all offseason. These dudes were all expecting a big payday and now have to deal with the reality that teams don't value them as highly.

"How did we get to a point where this is what we were worth?" Boston said. "You can put my stats up against some of the best of them you're gonna get me in the $7 million-plus range. It's crazy that people aren't really talking about how we managed to get paid less than $2 million.

Because a safety who frequently whiffs on tackles and had inexplicable coverage lapses just isn't worth that much.




Boston could have another pretty good season and he still won't get paid $6 million+ next year like he wants. He's not a complete safety, never has been. Ten years ago he'd be raking in the dough but times change and priorities change.


The league isn't throwing big money at most free agent safeties, not because some laughable notion of a league wide conspiracy against safeties but because these guys simply aren't worth the money they are asking.


Supply and demand. Two straight drafts loaded at safety have brought a ton of supply. Why pay a middling veteran when you can develop your own cheaper young safeties? Unless you have an injury, none of these guys are moving the dial for you so why pay a lot?

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

Looks like I'm not alone

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/08/11/tre-boston-hints-at-league-wide-collusion-regarding-safeties/

Boston is grasping at straws and whining like he has been all offseason. These dudes were all expecting a big payday and now have to deal with the reality that teams don't value them as highly.



Boston could have another pretty good season and he still won't get paid $6 million+ next year like he wants. He's not a complete safety, never has been. Ten years ago he'd be raking in the dough but times change and priorities change.


The league isn't throwing big money at most free agent safeties, not because some laughable notion of a league wide conspiracy against safeties but because these guys simply aren't worth the money they are asking.


Supply and demand. Two straight drafts loaded at safety have brought a ton of supply. Why pay a middling veteran when you can develop your own cheaper young safeties? Unless you have an injury, none of these guys are moving the dial for you so why pay a lot?

Reality. What a concept!

Originally posted by mojave45:

Reality. What a concept!

I get that Boston is really upset but if he wants to point the finger at someone, he should point it at his agent for horribly misreading the safety market.


This dude came out demanding $7 million+ and teams went "LOL, good luck bro." If he had come out asking for something more reasonable, say $5 million, teams may have been more willing to play ball and negotiate.


Look at the Chargers who Boston had a pretty good season for last year. Do they pay Boston, a fairly average career safety $7 million, or do they draft Derwin James, a potential superstar for less money.


Pay more for average veteran safety? Pay less for younger, cheaper potential superstar? It wasn't a tough decision for them.


Lots of teams opted to pass these guys up and go grab a safety in the draft.


Even the 49ers made Reid an offer, reportedly for one year and $2.5 million, which in light of all these other safety deals now looks quite fair. He turned it down because he wanted to be a starter.



I think these guys flat out misjudged how much NFL teams valued them.


Boston was the 47th ranked safety by PFF, just one spot in front of Reid. This isn't Earl Thomas, Eric Berry or Ed Reed that we're talking about here.



If Boston is holding out hope that he'll get $7 mil+ next year, he's going to be disappointed once more.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by mojave45:

Reality. What a concept!

I get that Boston is really upset but if he wants to point the finger at someone, he should point it at his agent for horribly misreading the safety market.


This dude came out demanding $7 million+ and teams went "LOL, good luck bro." If he had come out asking for something more reasonable, say $5 million, teams may have been more willing to play ball and negotiate.


Look at the Chargers who Boston had a pretty good season for last year. Do they pay Boston, a fairly average career safety $7 million, or do they draft Derwin James, a potential superstar for less money.


Pay more for average veteran safety? Pay less for younger, cheaper potential superstar? It wasn't a tough decision for them.


Lots of teams opted to pass these guys up and go grab a safety in the draft.


Even the 49ers made Reid an offer, reportedly for one year and $2.5 million, which in light of all these other safety deals now looks quite fair. He turned it down because he wanted to be a starter.



I think these guys flat out misjudged how much NFL teams valued them.


Boston was the 47th ranked safety by PFF, just one spot in front of Reid. This isn't Earl Thomas, Eric Berry or Ed Reed that we're talking about here.



If Boston is holding out hope that he'll get $7 mil+ next year, he's going to be disappointed once more.

Completely agree. One other thing that is missed in this particular "collusion" issue is that the NFL still values safeties, just not one dimensional thumpers, and as you say, why pay top dollar when there are younger players you feel can do as well as a safety that isn't highly ranked against other starters at his position?

Going to be hard to prove collusion when Reid turned down an offer.