Eric Reid thread

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
no it doesn't. my views of whats worse DV vs Kneeling is irrelevant

This is about players stopping from what they done so they can play in the future. if they don't want to stop, then good luck to them

Everything in here is mostly opinions and views, since no one here actually have know what goes on in FO. But it's fine if you don't want to answer the question. I think I already know your answer anyways.

The point is that, owners appear to be more worried about players kneeling than than actual crimes committed by players that have a worse effect on NFL perception.

of course you know the answer..no one thinks kneeling is worse than DV lol

like i said earlier..

did those criminal players or what ever the issue the player has done, say they wont stop committing crimes or whatever they did?

I'm surprised by your answer

I don't know if they were ever asked. Was Aldon ever asked? IDK, but he certainly kept playing, while continuing to be a menace to society. Yeah, yeah, talent trumps wrongdoing...thats were the problem lies with NFL perception; not a players kneeling to bring attention to social woes.

Aldon kept doing what aldon does, now he's unemployed due to NFL rules. criminals do give the NFL a bad name also

Originally posted by jcs:

In the NFL you work from a contract...one that only has to satisfy a few NFLPA agreed upon provisions and outside of those provisions the contract can say anything and cover everything and the incentive to sign for the player is typically the ridiculous amount of money they pay you to workout year round and play a game.

Reid like Kap has lost his way in understanding this. If he wants to kneel that's fine it's his right to protest the govt. but if he wants to tell a potential employer what he will and won't do under contract and gets upset when they disagree with him...well that's on him.

If this is still confusing...the NFL is not the Government...your right to protest is not protected from your employer.

Is there a league wide rule that a player has to stand for the National Anthem? No.

When signing their contract, was there/is there a team rule highlighted that they are required to stand for the National Anthem? No.

If they are NOT breaking any rules, why should NFL teams hold that against them?

No behind the scene deals.. no bribes with fake player organizations that don't represent all of the NFL players.

Just say Publicly where they stand on what their rules are. The NFL...and Team owners.

Again no "game operations manual" BS. I'm talking legit rules. The NFL Rule book.

Originally posted by Afrikan:

Originally posted by jcs:
In the NFL you work from a contract...one that only has to satisfy a few NFLPA agreed upon provisions and outside of those provisions the contract can say anything and cover everything and the incentive to sign for the player is typically the ridiculous amount of money they pay you to workout year round and play a game.

Reid like Kap has lost his way in understanding this. If he wants to kneel that's fine it's his right to protest the govt. but if he wants to tell a potential employer what he will and won't do under contract and gets upset when they disagree with him...well that's on him.

If this is still confusing...the NFL is not the Government...your right to protest is not protected from your employer.

Is there a league wide rule that a player has to stand for the National Anthem?

When signing their contract, was there/is there a team rule highlighted that they are required to stand for the National Anthem?

No behind the scene deals.. no bribes with fake player organizations that don't represent all of the NFL players.

Just say Publicly where they stand on what their rules are. The NFL...and Team owners.

Again no "game operations manual". I'm talking legit rules. The NFL Rule book.

anything can be thrown under the "Personal Conduct Policy" by the NFL

Originally posted by HomerJ:

The owners only care about making money and winning super bowls.. Not pissing off their fan base. Why don't you hold Reid accountable for his situation? He isn't bigger than any team.

What is his situation? Being brave enough to stand up for a cause he believes in? Valuing his principles higher than bowing to the wishes of the powerful or obnoxious?

Meeting with a soldier to show to find a way to show respect as well as raise awareness?

Reid has loads to account for

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

anything can be thrown under the "Personal Conduct Policy" by the NFL

If that was the case why did it need to have it's own slot in the owners meeting agenda? Why did that same meeting not provide any rulings?

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
anything can be thrown under the "Personal Conduct Policy" by the NFL

If that was the case why did it need to have it's own slot in the owners meeting agenda? Why did that same meeting not provide any rulings?

i'm not sure.. I haven't heard about any changes due to that meeting also

Here is my view of Eric Reid, FWIW:

Reid is in a different situation than Kaepernick though closely related. He comes from Baton Rouge where one of the more well-known officer-involved shootings of a black man occurred. In fact, it was not far from the neighborhood in which Reid grew up. He has seen the issues from his early childhood. From the very beginning of the protest, he was rightfully concerned. He is also a man of strong faith who feels a sense of duty to his faith to defend those who cannot defend themselves. From the very beginning, when interviewed, his comments were very level and well-considered.

The problem for Reid was that he became looked at in the same way many viewed Kaepernick after his early poorly thought-out broad-sweeping statements about law enforcement officers and the nation as a whole. The dye was cast for Kaepernick in the first 10 days after his protest became recognized. Too late, he accepted advice from more reasonable people, including the retired Marine and others. His rhetoric became more cogent and focused, much the same as Reid's had always been. (then of course there were the other Kaepernick revelations that came into view such as never registering to vote, the t-shirt, etc.) Unfortunately, by that time many NFL fans, both casual and more serious were beginning to turn off the broadcasts and the dialogue changed completely.

While this is just my view, I believe if Reid and Kaepernick had never connected, Reid would have a contract and be a spokesman for social equality. As it stands now, Reid is viewed synonymously with Kaepernick when he shouldn't be. They are two different men who have approached a similar cause but are linked because of their friendship/affiliation.

I don't have an answer at this point. I don't see any middle ground outside of the court system...and that will drag out a long time.

Originally posted by dj43:

Here is my view of Eric Reid, FWIW:

Reid is in a different situation than Kaepernick though closely related. He comes from Baton Rouge where one of the more well-known officer-involved shootings of a black man occurred. In fact, it was not far from the neighborhood in which Reid grew up. He has seen the issues from his early childhood. From the very beginning of the protest, he was rightfully concerned. He is also a man of strong faith who feels a sense of duty to his faith to defend those who cannot defend themselves. From the very beginning, when interviewed, his comments were very level and well-considered.

The problem for Reid was that he became looked at in the same way many viewed Kaepernick after his early poorly thought-out broad-sweeping statements about law enforcement officers and the nation as a whole. The dye was cast for Kaepernick in the first 10 days after his protest became recognized. Too late, he accepted advice from more reasonable people, including the retired Marine and others. His rhetoric became more cogent and focused, much the same as Reid's had always been. (then of course there were the other Kaepernick revelations that came into view such as never registering to vote, the t-shirt, etc.) Unfortunately, by that time many NFL fans, both casual and more serious were beginning to turn off the broadcasts and the dialogue changed completely.

While this is just my view, I believe if Reid and Kaepernick had never connected, Reid would have a contract and be a spokesman for social equality. As it stands now, Reid is viewed synonymously with Kaepernick when he shouldn't be. They are two different men who have approached a similar cause but are linked because of their friendship/affiliation.

I don't have an answer at this point. I don't see any middle ground outside of the court system...and that will drag out a long time.

The people that are upset with the kneeling are mostly people who are upset at the message rather than the method. They are the same type of people who thought MLK's approach was wrong, boycotts were wrong, the March on Washington was wrong.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by dj43:
Here is my view of Eric Reid, FWIW:

Reid is in a different situation than Kaepernick though closely related. He comes from Baton Rouge where one of the more well-known officer-involved shootings of a black man occurred. In fact, it was not far from the neighborhood in which Reid grew up. He has seen the issues from his early childhood. From the very beginning of the protest, he was rightfully concerned. He is also a man of strong faith who feels a sense of duty to his faith to defend those who cannot defend themselves. From the very beginning, when interviewed, his comments were very level and well-considered.

The problem for Reid was that he became looked at in the same way many viewed Kaepernick after his early poorly thought-out broad-sweeping statements about law enforcement officers and the nation as a whole. The dye was cast for Kaepernick in the first 10 days after his protest became recognized. Too late, he accepted advice from more reasonable people, including the retired Marine and others. His rhetoric became more cogent and focused, much the same as Reid's had always been. (then of course there were the other Kaepernick revelations that came into view such as never registering to vote, the t-shirt, etc.) Unfortunately, by that time many NFL fans, both casual and more serious were beginning to turn off the broadcasts and the dialogue changed completely.

While this is just my view, I believe if Reid and Kaepernick had never connected, Reid would have a contract and be a spokesman for social equality. As it stands now, Reid is viewed synonymously with Kaepernick when he shouldn't be. They are two different men who have approached a similar cause but are linked because of their friendship/affiliation.

I don't have an answer at this point. I don't see any middle ground outside of the court system...and that will drag out a long time.

The people that are upset with the kneeling are mostly people who are upset at the message rather than the method. They are the same type of people who thought MLK's approach was wrong, boycotts were wrong, the March on Washington was wrong.

I'm sure there are those, however, I do know there are many others who recognize the cause but also have strong feelings about the nation, the flag and what they believe it stands for. Painting everyone on either side in the same broad-brush is not the answer.

In a much earlier post I recalled how very different this nation is today versus the 60s: We have elected a black president, we have had a black woman serve as Secretary of State, we have had both a black man and black woman at the head of our Justice Department and multiple black men on the Supreme Court and many black justices, both men and women, serve in federal courts, etc.

No, we aren't there yet but thank God we no longer live in the 60s, so let's appreciate that fact and move toward more much-needed progress.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by dj43:
Here is my view of Eric Reid, FWIW:

Reid is in a different situation than Kaepernick though closely related. He comes from Baton Rouge where one of the more well-known officer-involved shootings of a black man occurred. In fact, it was not far from the neighborhood in which Reid grew up. He has seen the issues from his early childhood. From the very beginning of the protest, he was rightfully concerned. He is also a man of strong faith who feels a sense of duty to his faith to defend those who cannot defend themselves. From the very beginning, when interviewed, his comments were very level and well-considered.

The problem for Reid was that he became looked at in the same way many viewed Kaepernick after his early poorly thought-out broad-sweeping statements about law enforcement officers and the nation as a whole. The dye was cast for Kaepernick in the first 10 days after his protest became recognized. Too late, he accepted advice from more reasonable people, including the retired Marine and others. His rhetoric became more cogent and focused, much the same as Reid's had always been. (then of course there were the other Kaepernick revelations that came into view such as never registering to vote, the t-shirt, etc.) Unfortunately, by that time many NFL fans, both casual and more serious were beginning to turn off the broadcasts and the dialogue changed completely.

While this is just my view, I believe if Reid and Kaepernick had never connected, Reid would have a contract and be a spokesman for social equality. As it stands now, Reid is viewed synonymously with Kaepernick when he shouldn't be. They are two different men who have approached a similar cause but are linked because of their friendship/affiliation.

I don't have an answer at this point. I don't see any middle ground outside of the court system...and that will drag out a long time.

The people that are upset with the kneeling are mostly people who are upset at the message rather than the method. They are the same type of people who thought MLK's approach was wrong, boycotts were wrong, the March on Washington was wrong.

Exactly this. "They should find a better way to protest" is another way of saying "I don't agree with what's being protested."

Originally posted by dj43:

I'm sure there are those, however, I do know there are many others who recognize the cause but also have strong feelings about the nation, the flag and what they believe it stands for. Painting everyone on either side in the same broad-brush is not the answer.

In a much earlier post I recalled how very different this nation is today versus the 60s: We have elected a black president, we have had a black woman serve as Secretary of State, we have had both a black man and black woman at the head of our Justice Department and multiple black men on the Supreme Court and many black justices, both men and women, serve in federal courts, etc.

No, we aren't there yet but thank God we no longer live in the 60s, so let's appreciate that fact and move toward more much-needed progress.

I am not painting everyone with that brush but I am pointing out how the majority of White people saw the peaceful actions of the Civil Rights movement in the 60s as evidence that a majority of the White people pissed off today probably would not be pleased with any method protest against police violence, the same type of people who are offended by the phrase Black Lives Matter. We have made progress but I think the backlash against these movements is one sign of how far we have to go.

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

Originally posted by HomerJ:

The owners only care about making money and winning super bowls.. Not pissing off their fan base. Why don't you hold Reid accountable for his situation? He isn't bigger than any team.

What is his situation? Being brave enough to stand up for a cause he believes in? Valuing his principles higher than bowing to the wishes of the powerful or obnoxious?

Meeting with a soldier to show to find a way to show respect as well as raise awareness?

Reid has loads to account for

What is he doing Monday thru Saturday? He hijacked his employer's platform in a way that was extremely divisive.

Still confused why it's everyone else's fault.

Quit giving Reid a free pass.

As it has been said many times..

Racism disguised as Patriotism.

What are most of these same vocal fans doing when the National Anthem is being played, the ones in line getting food....in the Bathroom....what are the fans at home doing?

Are they standing? If they can't see it on TV do they play a Youtube of it? Or play a song..and then Stand before each football game?


While some of these vocal fans are being hypocrites...Kap and Eric Reid are kneeling (a sign of respect)...facing the toward the flag.

Originally posted by Afrikan:

As it has been said many times..

Racism disguised as Patriotism.

What are most of these same vocal fans doing when the National Anthem is being played, the ones in line getting food....in the Bathroom....what are the fans at home doing?

Are they standing? If they can't see it on TV do they play a Youtube of it? Or play a song..and then Stand before each football game?


While some of these vocal fans are being hypocrites...Kap and Eric Reid are kneeling (a sign of respect)...facing the toward the flag.

It's time to hold the guy in an employee uniform, on company time, cashing a nice paycheck, to a different standard than someone at home off the clock.

Originally posted by HomerJ:

Originally posted by Afrikan:

As it has been said many times..

Racism disguised as Patriotism.

What are most of these same vocal fans doing when the National Anthem is being played, the ones in line getting food....in the Bathroom....what are the fans at home doing?

Are they standing? If they can't see it on TV do they play a Youtube of it? Or play a song..and then Stand before each football game?


While some of these vocal fans are being hypocrites...Kap and Eric Reid are kneeling (a sign of respect)...facing the toward the flag.

It's time to hold the guy in an employee uniform, on company time, cashing a nice paycheck, to a different standard than someone at home off the clock.

As long as they are not colluding, it is an owner's decision to not hire him and to cave the snowflakes who are triggered by the silent kneeling.