Eric Reid thread

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

His perceived value is down to him and his agent, even if you think that's part of the problem it certainly doesn't support the narrative that is the reason for him suing.

From what I've read about the Bengals situation, he found the question uncomfortable because the situation is fluid.

Reid stated that he was going to move on from kneeling and find new ways of promoting the cause, however he wants to reserve the right to carry out his rights, that was not compatible with ownership, Reid believes that was due to collusion so filed a grievance.

His value is down to him and the employer. He's got to prove they conspired to punish him not I couldn't make my perceived worth so I'm suing.

Originally posted by tjd808185:
In Reid's case I think he's using him kneeling as an excuse on why he has a limited market and now he's piggy backing hoping for an easy pay day.

The guy was benched last year, safeties aren't in high demand, and he's apparently too cool to take less $ to reestablish himself. Take a look at Crabtree when he went to Oak. Sometimes you have to sign a 1-2 year prove it deal to get paid again but if you just hide behind the no one wants me because I kneeled it's easy to see why he has no job.

I don't ever blame someone for not wanting to work at a low % of your pay from the previous year but it is apart of the career he signed up on kneeling or no kneeling.

Michael Thomas was part of that Reid/Kaepernick coalition, was signed to a contract by the Giants this offseason. I think its a combination of Reid expecting a higher payday than what his skillset indicates and a saturated safety market.

In the box safeties are largely a dime a dozen these days and the past two drafts have been loaded at safety.

Why pay a veteran $6-7 million a year for average to slightly above average play when you can bring in a promising rookie who may not earn that much for two or three years?

Unless Reid and his attorneys have some specific smoking gun like an e-mail from Goodell telling owners not to sign him or a voicemail recorded between two owners specifically conspiring to keep him unemployed, he's got a very steep hill to climb when you consider the other safeties still out there on the FA market. Tre Boston had a near identical PFF rating to Reid. Tyvon Branch had a higher rating and still remains unemployed. The safety market as a whole has moved slowly so rather than wait until May 12 when teams wouldn't be docked for possible comp picks, he decided to do the one thing that would basically ensure that he remains unemployed.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by tjd808185:

In Reid's case I think he's using him kneeling as an excuse on why he has a limited market and now he's piggy backing hoping for an easy pay day.

The guy was benched last year, safeties aren't in high demand, and he's apparently too cool to take less $ to reestablish himself. Take a look at Crabtree when he went to Oak. Sometimes you have to sign a 1-2 year prove it deal to get paid again but if you just hide behind the no one wants me because I kneeled it's easy to see why he has no job.

I don't ever blame someone for not wanting to work at a low % of your pay from the previous year but it is apart of the career he signed up on kneeling or no kneeling.

Michael Thomas was part of that Reid/Kaepernick coalition, was signed to a contract by the Giants this offseason. I think its a combination of Reid expecting a higher payday than what his skillset indicates and a saturated safety market.

In the box safeties are largely a dime a dozen these days and the past two drafts have been loaded at safety.

Why pay a veteran $6-7 million a year for average to slightly above average play when you can bring in a promising rookie who may not earn that much for two or three years?

Unless Reid and his attorneys have some specific smoking gun like an e-mail from Goodell telling owners not to sign him or a voicemail recorded between two owners specifically conspiring to keep him unemployed, he's got a very steep hill to climb when you consider the other safeties still out there on the FA market. Tre Boston had a near identical PFF rating to Reid. Tyvon Branch had a higher rating and still remains unemployed. The safety market as a whole has moved slowly so rather than wait until May 12 when teams wouldn't be docked for possible comp picks, he decided to do the one thing that would basically ensure that he remains unemployed.

Vacarro get signed?

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Michael Thomas was part of that Reid/Kaepernick coalition, was signed to a contract by the Giants this offseason. I think its a combination of Reid expecting a higher payday than what his skillset indicates and a saturated safety market.

In the box safeties are largely a dime a dozen these days and the past two drafts have been loaded at safety.

Why pay a veteran $6-7 million a year for average to slightly above average play when you can bring in a promising rookie who may not earn that much for two or three years?

Unless Reid and his attorneys have some specific smoking gun like an e-mail from Goodell telling owners not to sign him or a voicemail recorded between two owners specifically conspiring to keep him unemployed, he's got a very steep hill to climb when you consider the other safeties still out there on the FA market. Tre Boston had a near identical PFF rating to Reid. Tyvon Branch had a higher rating and still remains unemployed. The safety market as a whole has moved slowly so rather than wait until May 12 when teams wouldn't be docked for possible comp picks, he decided to do the one thing that would basically ensure that he remains unemployed.

Agreed and I think Reid would of found a job somewhere had he not went into the offseason focusing on how he could sue the league.

Eagles traded for Bennett, Thomas has a job. The only person fans would throw a fit about if a team signed them is Kap. No one cares about Eric Reid. Yeah there's a few teams like the Bengals who took him out of consideration because he kneeled but that's not what he's going to have to prove. He's going to have to prove Brown conspired with other owners to punish him.

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

His perceived value is down to him and his agent, even if you think that's part of the problem it certainly doesn't support the narrative that is the reason for him suing.

From what I've read about the Bengals situation, he found the question uncomfortable because the situation is fluid.

Reid stated that he was going to move on from kneeling and find new ways of promoting the cause, however he wants to reserve the right to carry out his rights, that was not compatible with ownership, Reid believes that was due to collusion so filed a grievance.

His value is down to him and the employer. He's got to prove they conspired to punish him not I couldn't make my perceived worth so I'm suing.

He has to prove two owners or one owner and the League Office came to an agreement to not sign him.

Originally posted by HomerJ:
I can think of a many ways Reid (and Kap) could have gone about their protest without becoming public enemy #1. That why I don't make excuses or feel sorry for them.

Please, please, PLEASE share these "many ways" that they could have gone about their protest and still reach the masses like they have. Please.

I and others have asked people who have the opinion you have many, many times to name just one way that they could have protested differently and raised the same amount of awareness, and no one has been able to come up with one single way they could have done it and been as effective.

Now you are saying you can think of many ways. Please share. I am begging you.

I hope he's successful in in his collusion case, because he has one just like Kaep.

So, Reid is upset that Cincinnati owner didn't sign him... Wow! Guess he thinks all NFL owners should pay players millions of dollars to protest on top of playing football.

Well it seems that the NFLPA are supporting him, that's a huge win for him. I hope this gets resolved. Both he & Kap deserve to play in this league.

Very well put by Maiocco

http://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/49ers/nflpa-files-grievance-behalf-former-49ers-safety-eric-reid

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by HomerJ:
I can think of a many ways Reid (and Kap) could have gone about their protest without becoming public enemy #1. That why I don't make excuses or feel sorry for them.

Please, please, PLEASE share these "many ways" that they could have gone about their protest and still reach the masses like they have. Please.

I and others have asked people who have the opinion you have many, many times to name just one way that they could have protested differently and raised the same amount of awareness, and no one has been able to come up with one single way they could have done it and been as effective.

Now you are saying you can think of many ways. Please share. I am begging you.

Who is talking about reaching the masses? Is reaching the masses for Kap and Reid the 49ers or the NFLs responsibility? There are MANY forms of protest that don't require hijacking your employers platform to push something on their customers.

Has Kaps protest stopped since he became unemployed? He is staying somewhat relevant with his push to educate minors and those he thinks are victims, his monthly donations totaling $1m (or whatever the number was), meeting with police groups, working with political groups in communities, buy radio/TV time to deliver his message, etc.

I have no idea why you think its ok for him to put on his employers uniform, on company time, in front of his employers paying customers and think that is a realistic platform for him to to push an unorganized and sloppy protest.

I will never understand the lengths some of you go to to defend Kap and Reid and excuse them of any accountability for the position they find themselves in.

Why don't you hold Kap and Reid to a standard that everyone else is held to with regards to being employed?

Originally posted by HomerJ:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by HomerJ:
I can think of a many ways Reid (and Kap) could have gone about their protest without becoming public enemy #1. That why I don't make excuses or feel sorry for them.

Please, please, PLEASE share these "many ways" that they could have gone about their protest and still reach the masses like they have. Please.

I and others have asked people who have the opinion you have many, many times to name just one way that they could have protested differently and raised the same amount of awareness, and no one has been able to come up with one single way they could have done it and been as effective.

Now you are saying you can think of many ways. Please share. I am begging you.

Who is talking about reaching the masses? Is reaching the masses for Kap and Reid the 49ers or the NFLs responsibility? There are MANY forms of protest that don't require hijacking your employers platform to push something on their customers.

Has Kaps protest stopped since he became unemployed? He is staying somewhat relevant with his push to educate minors and those he thinks are victims, his monthly donations totaling $1m (or whatever the number was), meeting with police groups, working with political groups in communities, buy radio/TV time to deliver his message, etc.

I have no idea why you think its ok for him to put on his employers uniform, on company time, in front of his employers paying customers and think that is a realistic platform for him to to push an unorganized and sloppy protest.

I will never understand the lengths some of you go to to defend Kap and Reid and excuse them of any accountability for the position they find themselves in.

Why don't you hold Kap and Reid to a standard that everyone else is held to with regards to being employed?

So you cant list one way, let alone many ways. Just like I expected (due to no one else being able to come up with a logical answer for the better part of a year).

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by HomerJ:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by HomerJ:

I can think of a many ways Reid (and Kap) could have gone about their protest without becoming public enemy #1. That why I don't make excuses or feel sorry for them.

Please, please, PLEASE share these "many ways" that they could have gone about their protest and still reach the masses like they have. Please.

I and others have asked people who have the opinion you have many, many times to name just one way that they could have protested differently and raised the same amount of awareness, and no one has been able to come up with one single way they could have done it and been as effective.

Now you are saying you can think of many ways. Please share. I am begging you.

Who is talking about reaching the masses? Is reaching the masses for Kap and Reid the 49ers or the NFLs responsibility? There are MANY forms of protest that don't require hijacking your employers platform to push something on their customers.

Has Kaps protest stopped since he became unemployed? He is staying somewhat relevant with his push to educate minors and those he thinks are victims, his monthly donations totaling $1m (or whatever the number was), meeting with police groups, working with political groups in communities, buy radio/TV time to deliver his message, etc.

I have no idea why you think its ok for him to put on his employers uniform, on company time, in front of his employers paying customers and think that is a realistic platform for him to to push an unorganized and sloppy protest.

I will never understand the lengths some of you go to to defend Kap and Reid and excuse them of any accountability for the position they find themselves in.

Why don't you hold Kap and Reid to a standard that everyone else is held to with regards to being employed?

So you cant list one way, let alone many ways. Just like I expected (due to no one else being able to come up with a logical answer for the better part of a year).

LOL. I already answered this in the Kap thread. But since you clearly think highly of yourself, I'll bite:

He could easily star in commercials, whether TV or on YouTube to bring his awareness. He could do PSA with actors and other athletes. He can go on speaking tours at schools. He could go to the Republican and Democratic conventions to talk about it. He could openly meet with police officers in major cities. He could meet with the President of the United States (which is actually in the works believe it or not). He can create multiple foundations. He could go around the country with other athletes to multiple news outlets and talk about his issues on places like CNN, Fox, MSNBC, almost guaranteeing he will reach millions of viewers. Sh-t, he could even organize rallies at police stations that have been known to abuse power, again guaranteeing that the news would cover it and would reach millions upon millions of viewers. Look at these "March for our lives" rallies and how much coverage and attention it got, even if these kids are ignorant and have no clue about how the world works. Kap and Reid both could use their example on how to reach people.

Literally there were lots and lots of ways he could've protested. He chose probably the worst way to do it because he surrounded himself with morons that gave him sh-t advice. If you truly believe that pissing off half the countries and p-ssing on the graves of soldiers that had nothing to do with police brutality was the only way to get his message across, than you truly are as shallow as Kap and Reid. I keep hearing this talking point from people on the far left that pissing people off didn't matter, it was the point of bringing awareness or "creating a discussion". LOL!!! If you piss people off so much, nobody is going to pay attention to your protest. They're going to turn away and no longer look, thus making your protest invalid. These NFL protests were perfect examples. They did nothing but hurt ratings and revenue and the only thing it solved was that Kap and Reid are out of jobs. F-cking LOL!

In the end, Kap and Reid have no right to protest at work. Sorry. They are not protected from getting fired.

PS. Don't even bother trying to "discredit" any of the examples I gave because each one is exactly what you asked for and are effective. Read a book on effective protest tactics. You might learn something.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by HomerJ:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by HomerJ:

I can think of a many ways Reid (and Kap) could have gone about their protest without becoming public enemy #1. That why I don't make excuses or feel sorry for them.

Please, please, PLEASE share these "many ways" that they could have gone about their protest and still reach the masses like they have. Please.

I and others have asked people who have the opinion you have many, many times to name just one way that they could have protested differently and raised the same amount of awareness, and no one has been able to come up with one single way they could have done it and been as effective.

Now you are saying you can think of many ways. Please share. I am begging you.

Who is talking about reaching the masses? Is reaching the masses for Kap and Reid the 49ers or the NFLs responsibility? There are MANY forms of protest that don't require hijacking your employers platform to push something on their customers.

Has Kaps protest stopped since he became unemployed? He is staying somewhat relevant with his push to educate minors and those he thinks are victims, his monthly donations totaling $1m (or whatever the number was), meeting with police groups, working with political groups in communities, buy radio/TV time to deliver his message, etc.

I have no idea why you think its ok for him to put on his employers uniform, on company time, in front of his employers paying customers and think that is a realistic platform for him to to push an unorganized and sloppy protest.

I will never understand the lengths some of you go to to defend Kap and Reid and excuse them of any accountability for the position they find themselves in.

Why don't you hold Kap and Reid to a standard that everyone else is held to with regards to being employed?

So you cant list one way, let alone many ways. Just like I expected (due to no one else being able to come up with a logical answer for the better part of a year).

Maybe you missed the 2nd paragraph?

Originally posted by Stud:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by HomerJ:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by HomerJ:

I can think of a many ways Reid (and Kap) could have gone about their protest without becoming public enemy #1. That why I don't make excuses or feel sorry for them.

Please, please, PLEASE share these "many ways" that they could have gone about their protest and still reach the masses like they have. Please.

I and others have asked people who have the opinion you have many, many times to name just one way that they could have protested differently and raised the same amount of awareness, and no one has been able to come up with one single way they could have done it and been as effective.

Now you are saying you can think of many ways. Please share. I am begging you.

Who is talking about reaching the masses? Is reaching the masses for Kap and Reid the 49ers or the NFLs responsibility? There are MANY forms of protest that don't require hijacking your employers platform to push something on their customers.

Has Kaps protest stopped since he became unemployed? He is staying somewhat relevant with his push to educate minors and those he thinks are victims, his monthly donations totaling $1m (or whatever the number was), meeting with police groups, working with political groups in communities, buy radio/TV time to deliver his message, etc.

I have no idea why you think its ok for him to put on his employers uniform, on company time, in front of his employers paying customers and think that is a realistic platform for him to to push an unorganized and sloppy protest.

I will never understand the lengths some of you go to to defend Kap and Reid and excuse them of any accountability for the position they find themselves in.

Why don't you hold Kap and Reid to a standard that everyone else is held to with regards to being employed?

So you cant list one way, let alone many ways. Just like I expected (due to no one else being able to come up with a logical answer for the better part of a year).

LOL. I already answered this in the Kap thread. But since you clearly think highly of yourself, I'll bite:

He could easily star in commercials, whether TV or on YouTube to bring his awareness. He could do PSA with actors and other athletes. He can go on speaking tours at schools. He could go to the Republican and Democratic conventions to talk about it. He could openly meet with police officers in major cities. He could meet with the President of the United States (which is actually in the works believe it or not). He can create multiple foundations. He could go around the country with other athletes to multiple news outlets and talk about his issues on places like CNN, Fox, MSNBC, almost guaranteeing he will reach millions of viewers. Sh-t, he could even organize rallies at police stations that have been known to abuse power, again guaranteeing that the news would cover it and would reach millions upon millions of viewers. Look at these "March for our lives" rallies and how much coverage and attention it got, even if these kids are ignorant and have no clue about how the world works. Kap and Reid both could use their example on how to reach people.

Literally there were lots and lots of ways he could've protested. He chose probably the worst way to do it because he surrounded himself with morons that gave him sh-t advice. If you truly believe that pissing off half the countries and p-ssing on the graves of soldiers that had nothing to do with police brutality was the only way to get his message across, than you truly are as shallow as Kap and Reid. I keep hearing this talking point from people on the far left that pissing people off didn't matter, it was the point of bringing awareness or "creating a discussion". LOL!!! If you piss people off so much, nobody is going to pay attention to your protest. They're going to turn away and no longer look, thus making your protest invalid. These NFL protests were perfect examples. They did nothing but hurt ratings and revenue and the only thing it solved was that Kap and Reid are out of jobs. F-cking LOL!

In the end, Kap and Reid have no right to protest at work. Sorry. They are not protected from getting fired.

PS. Don't even bother trying to "discredit" any of the examples I gave because each one is exactly what you asked for and are effective. Read a book on effective protest tactics. You might learn something.

And this.

+1

Don't forget, Kap is not even registered to vote.

Originally posted by HomerJ:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by HomerJ:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by HomerJ:

I can think of a many ways Reid (and Kap) could have gone about their protest without becoming public enemy #1. That why I don't make excuses or feel sorry for them.

Please, please, PLEASE share these "many ways" that they could have gone about their protest and still reach the masses like they have. Please.

I and others have asked people who have the opinion you have many, many times to name just one way that they could have protested differently and raised the same amount of awareness, and no one has been able to come up with one single way they could have done it and been as effective.

Now you are saying you can think of many ways. Please share. I am begging you.

Who is talking about reaching the masses? Is reaching the masses for Kap and Reid the 49ers or the NFLs responsibility? There are MANY forms of protest that don't require hijacking your employers platform to push something on their customers.

Has Kaps protest stopped since he became unemployed? He is staying somewhat relevant with his push to educate minors and those he thinks are victims, his monthly donations totaling $1m (or whatever the number was), meeting with police groups, working with political groups in communities, buy radio/TV time to deliver his message, etc.

I have no idea why you think its ok for him to put on his employers uniform, on company time, in front of his employers paying customers and think that is a realistic platform for him to to push an unorganized and sloppy protest.

I will never understand the lengths some of you go to to defend Kap and Reid and excuse them of any accountability for the position they find themselves in.

Why don't you hold Kap and Reid to a standard that everyone else is held to with regards to being employed?

So you cant list one way, let alone many ways. Just like I expected (due to no one else being able to come up with a logical answer for the better part of a year).

Maybe you missed the 2nd paragraph?

He'll say the same thing. "You didn't provide any examples. I'm right, you're wrong"!!