Cleveland Browns Thread

Originally posted by Polkadots:
I have no evidence either way.

But, in 2019, there is enough video evidence, people recording sounds, people who can watch videos and read lips, teammates nearby who I can't imagine would allow someone (teammate or not) to use racial slurs, etc. I hope the accusation isn't true, but it speaks volumes about Myles if he is lying about things in order to lessen the consequences / justify his actions

Of course he's lying. You don't take the social beating he has and sit on that information for a week. Your teammates who want nothing more than to exonerate you don't keep quiet about hearing that prior to you losing your mind. The men of color on the other team who were as close if not closer don't keep that quiet if they heard it because men who play in the NFL have pride and wouldn't allow it. He's doing all he can to stop the financial bleeding and I hope he ends up paying for having gone there because him going there is as bad if not worse than if the accusation were true.

Originally posted by WINiner:
Of course he's lying. You don't take the social beating he has and sit on that information for a week. Your teammates who want nothing more than to exonerate you don't keep quiet about hearing that prior to you losing your mind. The men of color on the other team who were as close if not closer don't keep that quiet if they heard it because men who play in the NFL have pride and wouldn't allow it. He's doing all he can to stop the financial bleeding and I hope he ends up paying for having gone there because him going there is as bad if not worse than if the accusation were true.

I haven't seen definitive proof one way or the other, and there are too many ifs in your response to make me disregard the possibility (minimal as it may be). Do I think MG is lying? I sure do. And I hope if he is, there are severe ramifications for doing so

I told my nephew more than two months ago once Rudolph took over for Ben that Rudolph had racist tendencies over some web activity he'd made. I'm having a hard time finding them online now after this recent incident. (Ok I had to use Bing search engine to find it as google had it buried). I wouldn't at all be surprised now that he ran his mouth and it led to him getting that beat down after he ran up on Myles to get his issue.

Me hearing Myles saying this about Rudolph now two months later is what I'd expect. I reacted the same as Myles back when I was younger and in school. I didn't have a helmet but I had my hands. You ran your mouth with me in that manner and you got swift justice. https://blacksportsonline.com/2019/09/steelers-mason-rudolph-supports-anti-colin-kaepernick-rudolph-is-big-fan-of-tomi-lahren-maga-trump-tweets-ig/

I tend to side with Garrett here and believe his side of the story. From what I can see, there are only four people close enough to have heard for sure what was said. Three Steelers: Rudolph, DeCastro, Feiler and one Brown: Garrett

The two teammates are both white and both o-line, whose main objective is to protect their QB, so I highly doubt they are going to confirm what he said (as long as they are on the team anyway). Doing so would be a risky move and could cost them their job.

Originally posted by a49erfan77:

I tend to side with Garrett here and believe his side of the story. From what I can see, there are only four people close enough to have heard for sure what was said. Three Steelers: Rudolph, DeCastro, Feiler and one Brown: Garrett

The two teammates are both white and both o-line, whose main objective is to protect their QB, so I highly doubt they are going to confirm what he said (as long as they are on the team anyway). Doing so would be a risky move and could cost them their job.

Especially when you know what type of guy Garrett has been. Then for me I knew two months ago how I felt about Mason Rudolph. This latest incident only helps to confirm some things for me

Originally posted by Pillbusta:

Especially when you know what type of guy Garrett has been. Then for me I knew two months ago how I felt about Mason Rudolph. This latest incident only helps to confirm some things for me

But before Thursday's incident, Garrett had been fined $50,000 for several penalties, notably punching Delanie Walker of the Tennessee Titans and two roughing-the-passer plays on Jets quarterback Trevor Siemian, one of which ended his season.

After the Walker incident in Week 1, Garrett told Cleveland.com: "Yeah, usually I don't let things like that get to me and I won't let it happen again."

The hits on Siemian, especially the second, were widely derided as dirty. "I don't want a reputation as a guy who hits late or hits high intentionally," Garrett told reporters. "That's never my goal."

All I see is a dude that keeps escalating. I don't care what kind of guy he is off the field. Vontaze Burfict is a saint off the field.



On the field, Garrett is building a reputation as a guy that hits late and has trouble maintaining self control and he displayed all of that against Pittsburgh. Now he'll have a spotlight on him the rest of his career.

Originally posted by a49erfan77:

I tend to side with Garrett here and believe his side of the story. From what I can see, there are only four people close enough to have heard for sure what was said. Three Steelers: Rudolph, DeCastro, Feiler and one Brown: Garrett

The two teammates are both white and both o-line, whose main objective is to protect their QB, so I highly doubt they are going to confirm what he said (as long as they are on the team anyway). Doing so would be a risky move and could cost them their job.

Pouncey was right there and I doubt he'd be cool with anyone saying stuff like that, teammate or not. Also I don't think anyone suddenly starts dropping slurs in their mid 20s, especially out on the field where you're the smallest guy out there. Guys who say that stuff to have a pretty lengthy history of it and you don't survive as a QB at a major college program and now the Steelers by blurting slurs out on the field if you get mad.




I think it makes far more sense that Garnett's PR guy or advisor determined that making that claim to try and explain his behavior away could potentially lessen his suspension. Why not make the claim in the days after the incident when he made a personal and even written apology to Rudolph? Why apologize at all if that is what he said?


I think dude is throwing spaghetti at the wall to see what'll stick so he can avoid being loved tenderly by Goodell. It didn't work because he's still done for the season.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Pouncey was right there and I doubt he'd be cool with anyone saying stuff like that, teammate or not. Also I don't think anyone suddenly starts dropping slurs in their mid 20s, especially out on the field where you're the smallest guy out there. Guys who say that stuff to have a pretty lengthy history of it and you don't survive as a QB at a major college program and now the Steelers by blurting slurs out on the field if you get mad.

I think it makes far more sense that Garnett's PR guy or advisor determined that making that claim to try and explain his behavior away could potentially lessen his suspension. Why not make the claim in the days after the incident when he made a personal and even written apology to Rudolph? Why apologize at all if that is what he said?

I think dude is throwing spaghetti at the wall to see what'll stick so he can avoid being loved tenderly by Goodell. It didn't work because he's still done for the season.

Pouncey ran in as the helmet is being swung, and was behind everything. I highly doubt he was in position to hear what was said.

As far as Mason not having a history, that doesn't really prove that he did not or would not say it. Maybe he was pushed far enough to let it slip and hadn't been pushed that far before.

Originally posted by a49erfan77:

Pouncey ran in as the helmet is being swung, and was behind everything. I highly doubt he was in position to hear what was said.

As far as Mason not having a history, that doesn't really prove that he did not or would not say it. Maybe he was pushed far enough to let it slip and hadn't been pushed that far before.

How would Rudolph have been in position to know who might hear him or not? Saying something like that can be a career-ender. Look at Riley Cooper and how that followed him around for the remainder of his career.





Sorry, I don't buy it. I think it is way too convenient. Especially since none of his teammates had heard a thing about it. Its also not the first time Garrett has had trouble keeping his cool on the field. Its becoming more of a pattern with him at this point which I think definitely played a role in the NFL's decision.


Garrett lost his cool and could have legit crippled or killed Rudolph with a more accurate placement on his helmet swing, at which point he'd be trying to come up with excuses from a prison cell. He needs to get some of that anger management before he goes down the Burfict path.

I have no idea what was said or not said. Obviously something put Garrett over the edge but that's no excuse to hit someone with a helmet. As a black man, I'm sure it wasn't the first time Garrett has heard a racial slur if in fact Rudolph said something. I've heard players say things to other players to try and get them to commit a personal foul but most players know this and ignore it or just play harder. Garrett went too far and now he's paying for it.

Originally posted by Pillbusta:
I told my nephew more than two months ago once Rudolph took over for Ben that Rudolph had racist tendencies over some web activity he'd made. I'm having a hard time finding them online now after this recent incident. (Ok I had to use Bing search engine to find it as google had it buried). I wouldn't at all be surprised now that he ran his mouth and it led to him getting that beat down after he ran up on Myles to get his issue.

Me hearing Myles saying this about Rudolph now two months later is what I'd expect. I reacted the same as Myles back when I was younger and in school. I didn't have a helmet but I had my hands. You ran your mouth with me in that manner and you got swift justice. https://blacksportsonline.com/2019/09/steelers-mason-rudolph-supports-anti-colin-kaepernick-rudolph-is-big-fan-of-tomi-lahren-maga-trump-tweets-ig/

LOL Tomi Lahren isn't a white supremist or racists. She's a conservative activist. One does not equate to the other. If this is your "proof" that Mason is racist, you have issues PB.......

Yea I don't buy this fro Garrett at all. I'm black and if that had been said to me I would've told everybody right after the game. And still would've been pissed off. He was calm and collected after the game just admitting fault. Tried to play the race card a week later after him and his team thought about a way to reduce his sentence. Him and Stephen A are both a disgrace.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by a49erfan77:
Pouncey ran in as the helmet is being swung, and was behind everything. I highly doubt he was in position to hear what was said.

As far as Mason not having a history, that doesn't really prove that he did not or would not say it. Maybe he was pushed far enough to let it slip and hadn't been pushed that far before.

How would Rudolph have been in position to know who might hear him or not? Saying something like that can be a career-ender. Look at Riley Cooper and how that followed him around for the remainder of his career.

Sorry, I don't buy it. I think it is way too convenient. Especially since none of his teammates had heard a thing about it. Its also not the first time Garrett has had trouble keeping his cool on the field. Its becoming more of a pattern with him at this point which I think definitely played a role in the NFL's decision.

Garrett lost his cool and could have legit crippled or killed Rudolph with a more accurate placement on his helmet swing, at which point he'd be trying to come up with excuses from a prison cell. He needs to get some of that anger management before he goes down the Burfict path.

I don't believe Garrett but in the heat of the moment in a fight i highly doubt Rudolph is thinking about what happened to Riley Cooper or that his words would be a career ender. Cooper was welcomed back in the locker room and Vick vouched for him. He just wasn't talented enough to hang around. Not to mention it didn't end Richie Incognito's or Bill Romanowksi's career.

What if Mason Rudolph liked posts from Candace Owens? She and Tomi Lahren have very similar ideas. But since Candace Owens is black, would it be so easy to call Rudolph a racist? I agree with the other posters that if Rudolph has said something remotely racist, we'd have heard about long before Wednesday. Either way, Rudolph escalated the situation to begin with by trying to pull Garrett's helmet off.

Originally posted by WINiner:

LOL Tomi Lahren isn't a white supremist or racists. She's a conservative activist. One does not equate to the other. If this is your "proof" that Mason is racist, you have issues PB.......

I'm conservative as well much more than I am liberal. I'm conservative leaning on most things. However the crap that comes outta Tomi's mouth ain't tolerated in my circles. It sounds exactly like the crap my grandmother the civil rights freedom rider had to hear and it's just like the talk that's been passed down for generations in my family that we've heard from our opposition. I'm from Louisiana and my family has been here since before the US became a nation so we know what racist speak sounds like. She's awfully close to the type talk I'm well familiar with. If it looks like a pig and smells like a pig. It probably is a pig