Khalil Mack thread

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by jcs:
Jones was a 1st time probowl player in his 4th season when he was moved. Mack is again, today a 3x probowler, 2x 1st team all-pro and DPOY, just 27 years old and 4 years into his career.

Who cares about pro-bowls...their production was damn near the same AND he was 2 yrs younger (25) than Mack when he was traded. IF anything Jones was more valuable then Mack being 25 and not asking to be the highest paid player on defense.

There play does not warrant the deference in trade compensation you're throwing out there, no way.

You can't evaluate it on what Jones has done since...you have to look at it based on their value at the time of trade. Ignore the Probowls fine but you can't discount his 2x 1st team allpro nods and winning DPOY. Trading for Mack is going to be as difficult as attempting to trade for a Von Miller or Aaron Donald where Jones at the time he was moved would be more comparable to trying to trade for a Ziggy Ansah.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Who cares about pro-bowls...their production was damn near the same AND he was 2 yrs younger (25) than Mack when he was traded. IF anything Jones was more valuable then Mack being 25 and not asking to be the highest paid player on defense.

There play does not warrant the deference in trade compensation you're throwing out there, no way.

And your evaluating them based on just sacks. Mack brings a bigger impact to the game than Jones. Unless you think they are the same level of player then I would disagree fully

Originally posted by jcs:

You can't evaluate it on what Jones has done since...you have to look at it based on their value at the time of trade. Ignore the Probowls fine but you can't discount his 2x 1st team allpro nods and winning DPOY. Trading for Mack is going to be as difficult as attempting to trade for a Von Miller or Aaron Donald where Jones at the time he was moved would be more comparable to trying to trade for a Ziggy Ansah.

I'm not...jones had 36 sacks when he was traded Mack has 40, I'll I care about is production, I'm assuming that's all GMs care about, not awards.
Jones was also on his 5th yr option same as Mack when he was traded. Jones was 25 and Mack is currently 27.

Even if you want to throw in th DPOY that doesn't justify the 70% market up value in trade compensation your're talking about also throw in you have to pay him like a QB.

Listen I think he's amazing, I also think he's overvalued and fans/media are blowing it out of proportion (his trade value).

I'll throw out the Peters trade as well, sure they don't play the same position, but some people would value a lockdown CB over a edge guy both are very hard to find and valuable. Peters has two yrs left on his rookie deal and they only got a 2018 4th and 2019 2nd rd pick.

Multiple 1sts isn't realistic...if some crazy as GM wants to throw that down more power to them. I'd be ripping pissed if SF did such a f**king dumb move.

Agree to disagree, He's not getting moved anyway.

It's like the OBJ gibberish people were talking about earlier lol. Let's just throw all our picks for yrs and yrs and overpay for everyone, so our future is forever f**ked

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

And your evaluating them based on just sacks. Mack brings a bigger impact to the game than Jones. Unless you think they are the same level of player then I would disagree fully

Does he bring that much more to equal giving up multiple 1sts? No f**king way.

Jones isn't som horrible player not even close anyway. Top 5 edge player in the league. Mack meant so much to that defense that they were ranked 23rd overall. Kids a beast but he's not worth QB value and that's what people are talking about giving away. No thanks

FWIW id give up at most a 1st in 2019 and a 2nd in 2020 and even that is a stretch because you gotta pay him $100 million.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

And your evaluating them based on just sacks. Mack brings a bigger impact to the game than Jones. Unless you think they are the same level of player then I would disagree fully

Does he bring that much more to equal giving up multiple 1sts? No f**king way.

Jones isn't som horrible player not even close anyway. Top 5 edge player in the league. Mack meant so much to that defense that they were ranked 23rd overall. Kids a beast but he's not worth QB value and that's what people are talking about giving away. No thanks

FWIW id give up at most a 1st in 2019 and a 2nd in 2020 and even that is a stretch because you gotta pay him $100 million.

I'd give up 2 firsts that could end up being in the 20's or later. Getting a proven player over 2 question mark players. Yeah I would do it. Elevating our interior line and secondary by having a edge rusher who's continuously causing pressure is worth QB value.

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

I'd give up 2 firsts that could end up being in the 20's or later. Getting a proven player over 2 question mark players. Yeah I would do it. Elevating our interior line and secondary by having a edge rusher who's continuously causing pressure is worth QB value.

No way man...you can't assume their gonna be lower end picks either. We're one JG ACL away from being a top 5 draft pick again. It's the sexy move not the smart move

It's not even just the picks it's the amount of money you have to invest in a player as well. Those 1st rd picks are cheap money for 5 yrs, that's gold ever since the CBA.

I'll let our FO draft someone or sign a FA next yr for a 10th or the cost (between money/picks) before giving up $100 million and multiple 1sts for a defensive player...and you know how much I value pass rush.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

No way man...you can't assume their gonna be lower end picks either. We're one JG ACL away from being a top 5 draft pick again.

It's not even just the picks it's the amount of money you have to invest in a player as well. Those 1st rd picks are cheap money for 5 yrs, that's gold ever since the CBA.

I'll let out FO draft someone or sign a FA next yr for a 10th or the cost (money/picks) before giving up $100 million and multiple 1sts for a defensive player...and you know how much I value pass rush.

The goal of those 1st round picks is to get someone like Mack. What the team has been missing. So if we give up two firsts just cancel one out cause that's Mack. So really your giving a good player a good contracts and a first round pick to be a legit playoff contender.

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

The goal of those 1st round picks is to get someone like Mack. What the team has been missing. So if we give up two firsts just cancel one out cause that's Mack. So really your giving a good player a good contracts and a first round pick to be a legit playoff contender.

It's not cancelled out because you have to give up $100 million bucks in the process...you also get Mack who's 27 vs 22.

Hypothetical situation, we lose JG to a ACL and suck balls. SF has a top five pick and could have taken Nick Bosa instead of taking Mack losing two first and $100 million....

Giving up multiple 1sts and $100 million for a defensive player-no thanks. Agree to disagree.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

The goal of those 1st round picks is to get someone like Mack. What the team has been missing. So if we give up two firsts just cancel one out cause that's Mack. So really your giving a good player a good contracts and a first round pick to be a legit playoff contender.

It's not cancelled out because you have to give up $100 million bucks in the process...you also get Mack who's 27 vs 22.

Hypothetical situation, we lose JG to a ACL and suck balls. SF has a top five pick and could have taken Nick Bosa instead of taking Mack losing two first and $100 million....

Giving up multiple 1sts and $100 million for a defensive player-no thanks. Agree to disagree.

Well I'm a glass half full kinda guy. But yes it would suck but we would still have Mack.

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Well I'm a glass half full kinda guy. But yes it would suck but we would still have Mack.

Oh I'm the king of glass half full

It's just not a smart business move. I'd love Mack but not at that expense. He's not a QB, his amazing play still gave Oakland a bottom of the barrel defense last yr, also just comparing other trades it just doesn't makes sense...I'd bet if a team offered two 1sts Mack would have been gone by now

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by jcs:
You can't evaluate it on what Jones has done since...you have to look at it based on their value at the time of trade. Ignore the Probowls fine but you can't discount his 2x 1st team allpro nods and winning DPOY. Trading for Mack is going to be as difficult as attempting to trade for a Von Miller or Aaron Donald where Jones at the time he was moved would be more comparable to trying to trade for a Ziggy Ansah.

I'm not...jones had 36 sacks when he was traded Mack has 40, I'll I care about is production, I'm assuming that's all GMs care about, not awards.
Jones was also on his 5th yr option same as Mack when he was traded. Jones was 25 and Mack is currently 27.

Even if you want to throw in th DPOY that doesn't justify the 70% market up value in trade compensation your're talking about also throw in you have to pay him like a QB.

Listen I think he's amazing, I also think he's overvalued and fans/media are blowing it out of proportion (his trade value).

I'll throw out the Peters trade as well, sure they don't play the same position, but some people would value a lockdown CB over a edge guy both are very hard to find and valuable. Peters has two yrs left on his rookie deal and they only got a 2018 4th and 2019 2nd rd pick.

Multiple 1sts isn't realistic...if some crazy as GM wants to throw that down more power to them. I'd be ripping pissed if SF did such a f**king dumb move.

Agree to disagree, He's not getting moved anyway.

It's like the OBJ gibberish people were talking about earlier lol. Let's just throw all our picks for yrs and yrs and overpay for everyone, so our future is forever f**ked

Funny thing is he's going to get payed like a QB...so is Donald who won DPOY this last year.

Originally posted by jcs:
Funny thing is he's going to get payed like a QB...so is Donald who won DPOY this last year.

Yup, notice how the teams that currently have them aren't all about paying them either.

FWIW I got no problem paying either one of those guys, my issue is giving up valuable draft picks on top of it. The CBA has made those picks gold. Hence why players aren't getting trade for a buttload or early picks. You got guys like Peters and Jones who are young premier talents (JG as well) not even going for one 1st rd pick, let alone multiple 1sts.

You'd think Oakland could get a 1st for Mack and maybe a future pick (not a 1st)...if someone really calls and offers a couple 1st rd picks Oakland should jump on that if they're not gonna pay him.

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by okdkid:

Originally posted by jcs:

Mack is a proven entity on a position of high value in the NFL...debatably as valuable or just below a QB. If he gets moved it will be for a kings ransom...2 firsts are the base.

There's not a single position group in the big four sports of this country that even comes close to the level of impact as the QB.

Two firsts may be what the Raiders ask for. I have no doubt that is true. Two 1sts is just a moronic move for this team to make for Mack considering you also have to dump over $100M (most of it guaranteed) into him.

Didn't Chandler Jones lead the NFL in sacks last year? How did the Cardinals do? Hell, how did the Raiders do WITH Mack?

His impact is disproportionate to the trade comp you're suggesting.

I'm not making the case against Mack. I'm making the case against the internet suggested price.

What does C.Jones have to do with the current value of K.Mack...just as an example we landed Jimmy for a 2nd but that was with just 3 starts to his name. Mack is already a 2x all pro and former DPOY who is looking to potentially move, an instant star to a team where Jones and Jimmy were still in development when they were eventually moved.

Jimmy G won us five games. I can honestly say if we had Khalil instead of Jimmy G during those five games, Niner's record would be 1-15.

Maiocco on KNBR today: "I think the 49ers would be wise to at least make a phone call and see what it's going to take, and then kind of assess from there whether it makes sense for them, while also realizing what kind of contract it's going to take to carry through with that deal. I mean if Khalil Mack isn't happy with the contract he has with the Raiders, then he's going to want something from any team that's going to be willing to trade for him."

Originally posted by LottDMontanaO:
Maiocco on KNBR today: "I think the 49ers would be wise to at least make a phone call and see what it's going to take, and then kind of assess from there whether it makes sense for them, while also realizing what kind of contract it's going to take to carry through with that deal. I mean if Khalil Mack isn't happy with the contract he has with the Raiders, then he's going to want something from any team that's going to be willing to trade for him."

oh no doubt they should call and I'd be shocked if that haven't yet.

SF has shown they're willing to pay players, it's the compensation that's the head scratcher.

If I'm Oakland I'm asking for the moon and throwing out unrealistic compensation for him. I can't see anyone truly giving up what they'd be happy with getting as far as trade value goes.

He would look pretty sweet in red and gold though.