Antonio Brown

Not sold on AB.

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by NinersFan52:

Originally posted by dj43:

I believe I answered that in my explanation above.

Note: The use of the term "fan boy" has been the cause of some warning actions in the past.

Right, which is why I asked for further explanation. You stated it is "even more egregious" when referring to African Americans. Maybe I misread that, but it looks like you are stating it is wrong in general, but even more wrong with certain races. Bringing race into a conversation that has nothing to do with it is terrible. No reason for you to bring that up and I would hope to see better from a moderator of this site.

Words often have different meaning based on context. The use of "boy" in a couple of other threads has led to warnings.

As a general rule, an in-thread notice is usually enough to prevent things from getting out of hand.

That's all.

If this happens again, I will be reporting for being harassed. What I said has nothing to do with other threads.

Who moderates the moderators?

I can't believe this thread is still going. If they're as stubborn as they were regarding Le'Veon Bell, I'd imagine they're not going to move Brown either.

Originally posted by FL9er:
I can't believe this thread is still going. If they're as stubborn as they were regarding Le'Veon Bell, I'd imagine they're not going to move Brown either.

Bingo

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by WINiner:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:

No Thanks. Steelers have a tight locker room and winning culture. If he can't handle it there, he would implode here. Plus, that's way too much money in one skill position. Give me another TE to complement Kittle and a lesser known solid talent at WR and we are good.

I have seen you post this before and I have no idea why you continue to push this idea that we need a 2nd tight end. We dont. A 2nd tight end is so far down the list of positions we need to prioritize. Maybe so far down the list that its not even on the list.

And tight locker room? There are constantly reports that say the opposite. Literally every year.

I disagree. Another bad ass tight end in this offense would be almost unfair to the rest of the NFL. Do you not see the matchups Kyle is able to get Kittle? Imagine another similar talent at TE getting the matchups left over now that teams have started doubling Kittle.

How many double tight end sets do you guys think Shanahan uses? I'll save you the time of researching. The answer is almost zero.

We dont need another TE. We need better WRs. And edge rushers. We need better guards. Maybe a new center. And cornerbacks. And safety help. And middle linebackers. Safety depth. I think a new punter. We need to replace Gould if he isnt re-signed.

A #2 tight end is no where close to an actual thing of need.

I think you miss understood me. TE is not a position of need. However, Kyle is an offensive guru. Giving him two legit TEs would allow for some serious match up problems. Remember Davis and Walker? And that was with Roman. Most teams don't have the personnel to cover. Imagine what Kyle could do. Also, we could probably fine a very good TE in the 4th, since they don't usually get drafted high.

The amount of money you have to pay the very best WRs just is t worth it to me. The only exception I would make if they where home grown and already put in years under a rookie contract so you know what you're getting.

Originally posted by HERN:

Originally posted by Hopper:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by HERN:

Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:

Originally posted by dj43:
Pittsburgh will have to eat $21M if they trade or release him. He isn't going anywhere.

If a trade were to happen after June 1st wouldn't it only be $7M?

That's what I said earlier. I think we need to summoned AB or any cap guy to figure this out.

Above is true.

I don't see any scenario in which a trade is made after June 1.

You mean before June?

AFTER June.

He said after June 1. That's when the cap hit would lessen.

Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by WINiner:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:

No Thanks. Steelers have a tight locker room and winning culture. If he can't handle it there, he would implode here. Plus, that's way too much money in one skill position. Give me another TE to complement Kittle and a lesser known solid talent at WR and we are good.

I have seen you post this before and I have no idea why you continue to push this idea that we need a 2nd tight end. We dont. A 2nd tight end is so far down the list of positions we need to prioritize. Maybe so far down the list that its not even on the list.

And tight locker room? There are constantly reports that say the opposite. Literally every year.

I disagree. Another bad ass tight end in this offense would be almost unfair to the rest of the NFL. Do you not see the matchups Kyle is able to get Kittle? Imagine another similar talent at TE getting the matchups left over now that teams have started doubling Kittle.

How many double tight end sets do you guys think Shanahan uses? I'll save you the time of researching. The answer is almost zero.

We dont need another TE. We need better WRs. And edge rushers. We need better guards. Maybe a new center. And cornerbacks. And safety help. And middle linebackers. Safety depth. I think a new punter. We need to replace Gould if he isnt re-signed.

A #2 tight end is no where close to an actual thing of need.

I think you miss understood me. TE is not a position of need. However, Kyle is an offensive guru. Giving him two legit TEs would allow for some serious match up problems. Remember Davis and Walker? And that was with Roman. Most teams don't have the personnel to cover. Imagine what Kyle could do. Also, we could probably fine a very good TE in the 4th, since they don't usually get drafted high.

The amount of money you have to pay the very best WRs just is t worth it to me. The only exception I would make if they where home grown and already put in years under a rookie contract so you know what you're getting.

I remember Walker and Davis just fine. I also know that Harbaugh ran exponentially more dual tight ends sets than Shanahan ever has. I dont see the need. Kyle can do the same thing with Kittle and Juszczyk as he can with 2 tight ends.

We have 5 draft picks this year. Using one on a tight end, regardless if it is late or not, seems like an incredible waste.

Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by WINiner:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:

No Thanks. Steelers have a tight locker room and winning culture. If he can't handle it there, he would implode here. Plus, that's way too much money in one skill position. Give me another TE to complement Kittle and a lesser known solid talent at WR and we are good.

I have seen you post this before and I have no idea why you continue to push this idea that we need a 2nd tight end. We dont. A 2nd tight end is so far down the list of positions we need to prioritize. Maybe so far down the list that its not even on the list.

And tight locker room? There are constantly reports that say the opposite. Literally every year.

I disagree. Another bad ass tight end in this offense would be almost unfair to the rest of the NFL. Do you not see the matchups Kyle is able to get Kittle? Imagine another similar talent at TE getting the matchups left over now that teams have started doubling Kittle.

How many double tight end sets do you guys think Shanahan uses? I'll save you the time of researching. The answer is almost zero.

We dont need another TE. We need better WRs. And edge rushers. We need better guards. Maybe a new center. And cornerbacks. And safety help. And middle linebackers. Safety depth. I think a new punter. We need to replace Gould if he isnt re-signed.

A #2 tight end is no where close to an actual thing of need.

I think you miss understood me. TE is not a position of need. However, Kyle is an offensive guru. Giving him two legit TEs would allow for some serious match up problems. Remember Davis and Walker? And that was with Roman. Most teams don't have the personnel to cover. Imagine what Kyle could do. Also, we could probably fine a very good TE in the 4th, since they don't usually get drafted high.

The amount of money you have to pay the very best WRs just is t worth it to me. The only exception I would make if they where home grown and already put in years under a rookie contract so you know what you're getting.

I 100% agree with Steve. We have Juice. A #2 TE shouldn't see the field much at all. W/ Kittle, Juice and a 3rd TE - we'd immediately be too slow and shrink the coverage area for the defense.

You compliment Kittle & Juice with fast and shifty outside guys

Originally posted by Hopper:

He said after June 1. That's when the cap hit would lessen.

Understand it doesn't change the total hit. It just let's you spread it out over two years instead of all in the current year.

Originally posted by Wewillwin:

Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by WINiner:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:

No Thanks. Steelers have a tight locker room and winning culture. If he can't handle it there, he would implode here. Plus, that's way too much money in one skill position. Give me another TE to complement Kittle and a lesser known solid talent at WR and we are good.

I have seen you post this before and I have no idea why you continue to push this idea that we need a 2nd tight end. We dont. A 2nd tight end is so far down the list of positions we need to prioritize. Maybe so far down the list that its not even on the list.

And tight locker room? There are constantly reports that say the opposite. Literally every year.

I disagree. Another bad ass tight end in this offense would be almost unfair to the rest of the NFL. Do you not see the matchups Kyle is able to get Kittle? Imagine another similar talent at TE getting the matchups left over now that teams have started doubling Kittle.

How many double tight end sets do you guys think Shanahan uses? I'll save you the time of researching. The answer is almost zero.

We dont need another TE. We need better WRs. And edge rushers. We need better guards. Maybe a new center. And cornerbacks. And safety help. And middle linebackers. Safety depth. I think a new punter. We need to replace Gould if he isnt re-signed.

A #2 tight end is no where close to an actual thing of need.

I think you miss understood me. TE is not a position of need. However, Kyle is an offensive guru. Giving him two legit TEs would allow for some serious match up problems. Remember Davis and Walker? And that was with Roman. Most teams don't have the personnel to cover. Imagine what Kyle could do. Also, we could probably fine a very good TE in the 4th, since they don't usually get drafted high.

The amount of money you have to pay the very best WRs just is t worth it to me. The only exception I would make if they where home grown and already put in years under a rookie contract so you know what you're getting.

I 100% agree with Steve. We have Juice. A #2 TE shouldn't see the field much at all. W/ Kittle, Juice and a 3rd TE - we'd immediately be too slow and shrink the coverage area for the defense.

You compliment Kittle & Juice with fast and shifty outside guys

+1

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by NinersFan52:

Originally posted by dj43:
My primary point is about the use of the term "boy." It is a derogatory, and sometimes personal attack in general. Also, when used to describe an African-American it has an even more egregious tone. Best to just stay away from it.

As to the criticism he has received, my personal view is that it has resulted from the overall disappointment we all have from this season and is being taken out on a guy that does not deserve it.

So do you think there are different rules when describing players depending on their race? If he was white, would the "boy" argument be an issue?

I believe I answered that in my explanation above.

Note: The use of the term "fan boy" has been the cause of some warning actions in the past.

LOL

Originally posted by LVJay:

Nah.

And Nah to OBJ.

Free agent, ok. Don't want to pay market on a trade.

Originally posted by FredFlintstone:

So supposedly he didn't show up to meetings on monday and then left the locker room without speaking after the beat down Sunday. Doubt the Steelers would trade him and shanahan and lynch think our wrs are so great so we won't attempt, but his cap hit is crazy up till 2020 but he may be worth it still

They have to swallow the dead money not us

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

I remember Walker and Davis just fine. I also know that Harbaugh ran exponentially more dual tight ends sets than Shanahan ever has. I dont see the need. Kyle can do the same thing with Kittle and Juszczyk as he can with 2 tight ends.

We have 5 draft picks this year. Using one on a tight end, regardless if it is late or not, seems like an incredible waste.

Hard to talk about exact needs prior to free agency. A lot of what you mention can be addressed there. Also we don't know they will have only 5 picks when all is said and done. (Overthrcap projects 9ers to get a 6th rd comp pick for Aaron Lynch FYI)

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

I remember Walker and Davis just fine. I also know that Harbaugh ran exponentially more dual tight ends sets than Shanahan ever has. I dont see the need. Kyle can do the same thing with Kittle and Juszczyk as he can with 2 tight ends.

We have 5 draft picks this year. Using one on a tight end, regardless if it is late or not, seems like an incredible waste.

Hard to talk about exact needs prior to free agency. A lot of what you mention can be addressed there. Also we don't know they will have only 5 picks when all is said and done. (Overthrcap projects 9ers to get a 6th rd comp pick for Aaron Lynch FYI)

Um, not it isnt. Free agency is one of three ways you fill needs.