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Originally posted by Hysterikal:Originally posted by NYniner85:Yup, I want proven talent NOW. I'm not giving them a 1st rd pick (certainly not this yrs) If we can give them a player and a 2nd I can live with that. IF not they can deal with the drama. Big Ben IMO seems to always be at the center of it.
.... you said no to Khalil Mack
Originally posted by NYniner85:Originally posted by Hysterikal:Originally posted by NYniner85:Yup, I want proven talent NOW. I'm not giving them a 1st rd pick (certainly not this yrs) If we can give them a player and a 2nd I can live with that. IF not they can deal with the drama. Big Ben IMO seems to always be at the center of it.
.... you said no to Khalil Mack
Yeah not for multiple 1sts and 2nds and a $100 million dollar contract.
What you think brown is gonna cost that much?
Originally posted by jcs:Brown is 30 not 35. Brown if traded will pull a high first round pick... Easily
Originally posted by Hysterikal:I already have stated I don't think receivers are worth Jack s**t. I'd offer a 6th rounder and some depth guys for AB. I was just having fun with you saying you want proven talent. But to this day I'd give up our #2 and our first next year for Mack and a 100 million dollar contract and buy him a helicopter and full time pilot to be able to fly to the stadium for game day.
Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Originally posted by philosoraptor:
Originally posted by jcs:Mack is also a generational edge rusher just entering his prime, and is by all accounts great off the field. Brown is entering the end of his prime, plays a less important position, and is dealing with off the field issues. They're not the same value, at all.
Originally posted by tankle104:
Originally posted by philosoraptor:
Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Originally posted by Aj_hwd954:
Originally posted by badguy_1:
Trade Solomon Thomas and a 3rd rounder to the Steelers... One of their needs is an interior defender and they aren't in a position to get a top one in the draft. Then, we draft Quinnen "Aaron Donald" Williams with the second pick and our two DT's are the best in the league.
LMAOOOOOOOOO
LOL seriously. Id hang up so quick if I was the Steelers.
Thomas and a 2nd?
I have to assume that you believe there is value in "Thomas and a ____." I see Thomas and a ___ pick as basically a ___ pick and a throw in. So you and I will never agree on what a fair trade would be if Thomas is included.
Cooper was traded for a 1st round pick. Cooper cant hold Brown's jockstrap.
Cooper is also young and on his rookie deal. Brown is 30 and on a massive deal. If they want the 2nd overall pick they can go to hell.
Yeah, A brown trade and the cooper trade are very different circumstances, especially because of where they are in their career and their contracts.
Brown is a perennial all pro wr.. Top 3 in the league.
Cooper is just another talented wr. Mack is the example to look at and the multiple first round picks it took to move him.
How is Antonio Brown not a generational talent?
Originally posted by jcs:
Originally posted by philosoraptor:Brown is 30 not 35. Brown if traded will pull a high first round pick... Easily
Originally posted by jcs:Mack is also a generational edge rusher just entering his prime, and is by all accounts great off the field. Brown is entering the end of his prime, plays a less important position, and is dealing with off the field issues. They're not the same value, at all.
Originally posted by tankle104:
Originally posted by philosoraptor:
Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Originally posted by Aj_hwd954:
Originally posted by badguy_1:
Trade Solomon Thomas and a 3rd rounder to the Steelers... One of their needs is an interior defender and they aren't in a position to get a top one in the draft. Then, we draft Quinnen "Aaron Donald" Williams with the second pick and our two DT's are the best in the league.
LMAOOOOOOOOO
LOL seriously. Id hang up so quick if I was the Steelers.
Thomas and a 2nd?
I have to assume that you believe there is value in "Thomas and a ____." I see Thomas and a ___ pick as basically a ___ pick and a throw in. So you and I will never agree on what a fair trade would be if Thomas is included.
Cooper was traded for a 1st round pick. Cooper cant hold Brown's jockstrap.
Cooper is also young and on his rookie deal. Brown is 30 and on a massive deal. If they want the 2nd overall pick they can go to hell.
Yeah, A brown trade and the cooper trade are very different circumstances, especially because of where they are in their career and their contracts.
Brown is a perennial all pro wr.. Top 3 in the league.
Cooper is just another talented wr. Mack is the example to look at and the multiple first round picks it took to move him.
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by jcs:
Brown is 30 not 35. Brown if traded will pull a high first round pick... Easily
He will be 31 going into the season. If he pulls a 1st (which I don't think he will) it will be in the 2020 draft because pitt isn't gonna eat $21 million in dead money.
Originally posted by NYniner85:I want proven talent but I don't want to spend everything and more for it
I don't see how a 31 yr (when the season starts) old diva WR with a massive contact fetches a 1st? Maybe NE cause it's gonna basically be a 2nd rd pick. I also don't think Pitt would deal him to a good team like NE.
Sounds like Lynch tried to give them that much and more, but Chucky thought the Bears pick would be worse....chucky chose poorly lol
Originally posted by Hysterikal:We agree on AB that's for sure. But you can't get Khalil Mack on a clearance rack. Ultimately like you said Gruden made the call and at the time it was the smarter one since Jimmy G still had a knee. Now he's getting a late first rounder for Mack and missing out potentially on the best ER in the draft. Doesn't matter if it's a coin toss on the field or not trading to us the Raiders just lose.
I believe it's a designation not an actual date anymore.Originally posted by KittleMeThis:Originally posted by NYniner85:Originally posted by jcs:Brown is 30 not 35. Brown if traded will pull a high first round pick... Easily
He will be 31 going into the season. If he pulls a 1st (which I don't think he will) it will be in the 2020 draft because pitt isn't gonna eat $21 million in dead money.
Well they just have to wait until after June 1st is what i'm being told. Which i could wait for that